Well this is interesting. Seems to me May's only option is to reach out to the labour party in order to form a majority, or hold an election. So are we still in denial that labour's policy of allowing the tories the room to destroy themselves is beginning to pay off?
Reuters are reporting TM is writing to the EU to plead for a 2 year delay to Brexit. Is this what Jeremy was planning all along?
kelvin
There is no “deal” that would please the public “as a whole”, or even half of us. So MPs are carrying out the representation aspect of their role pretty well.
Aye, exactly. With all the daft political games etc it often seems to get overlooked that while there was a majority for brexit, there's nothing close to a majority for any particular brexit- not even the fantasy ones from the referendum.
I know it's obvious, I know I've said it about 50 times and so have loads of other people but it's too important to be sidelined by Bercow and kebabs. Brexit in general might have a majority, but the biggest single voter bloc is remain. The brexit options are all mutually exclusive and all have less support by far than remain. The closest they get to unity is "let's get on with it" but even when saying that, hard brexiters won't accept a soft brexit (May's deal we're told isn't even brexit at all).
As for Corbyn, the Kebab Awards are still achieving more than May's votes.
and teh least popular option is May's deal
What Northwind said.
Angry lorry drivers are set to stage a nationwide pro-Brexit go-slow protest which could bring Britain's motorways to a standstill. Truck and HGV drivers across the country are planning a series of demonstrations across the UK on Friday and Saturday, threatening to disrupt rush hour traffic.
being reported on local news outlets. only the express has picked it up nationally.
Gammonball Run 2?
Gammonball Run 2?
Superb
Angry lorry drivers are set to stage a nationwide pro-Brexit go-slow protest which could bring Britain’s motorways to a standstill. Truck and HGV drivers across the country are planning a series of demonstrations across the UK on Friday and Saturday, threatening to disrupt rush hour traffic.
I'm surprised(*) how the media are studiously ignoring the French customs "Brexit work to rule" which has brought Calais trucks and Eurostar passnegers to a standstill. It's almost as if they want to pretend that No Deal will present no problems ...
* may not be entirely true
Yes I saw something on facebook referencing M6 J10 on Friday.
Aye, exactly. With all the daft political games etc it often seems to get overlooked that while there was a majority for brexit
There is a good set of tweets from a Labour MP. Where he says his constituency voted out by 61% but then asks which email he received today which range from just leave to now remain via Norway option is the leave option he should go for.
M6 J10 on Friday.
rushour on Friday, how will we notice the difference?
at least you have the option of taking the Toll!
I would have thought lorry drivers would be the last people who want Brexit.
Maybe the domestic ones don't give a shit about international ones.
How are the going to get around that legally? Surely it's illegal for a lorry to be in the outside lane?
I was ridiculed for talking about falafels at the kebab awards.
Sounds like a right PITA.
Angry lorry drivers are set to stage a nationwide pro-Brexit go-slow protest which could bring Britain’s motorways to a standstill.
Aside from this being business as usual for lorry drivers,
How many pro-brexit drivers are there in actuality? There can't be many surely, they'd either have to be thick as mince (I know, I know) or looking forward to being paid to sit in their cabs in Calais reading The Sun for four hours every morning.
Well,it doesn't take four hours to read the Sun when you're a lorry driver,does it?
How many pro-brexit drivers are there in actuality?
Not to make sweeping generalisations but I imagine quite a few, my uncle for one.
How many pro-brexit drivers are there in actuality?
I'd hazard a guess at quite a lot - they'll see all those Romanian and Polish lorries being driven on "their" motorways and want to put a stop to all that thank you very much.
Or they want to sit in a massive queue on the M20 for days at a time eating bacon sarnies, reading The Sun and ****ing... (not to sterotype lorry drivers at all... 😉 )
the fuel protests did cause quite a big disruption
but that was effective because it specifically targeted fuel depots
Lorry drivers, people who depend on international movement, voting to remove international movement.
Just another facepalm in the giant facepalm of facepalms that is brexit.
My uncle (no longer with us) spent nearly all his working life driving all over Europe… where as my father (no longer with us) spent his last working years driving in UK only. There are two distinct sets of "lorry drivers" as regards FoM requirements. None that I know happen to want international driving stopped or restricted in Europe, but it doesn't surprise me that many do…
I'm going to serve my customers really slowly in protest that the 30% tariff hasn't been put on chocolate yet.
I’d hazard a guess at quite a lot – they’ll see all those Romanian and Polish lorries being driven on “their” motorways and want to put a stop to all that thank you very much
Very much this, much like a couple of plumbers I know who have seen an influx of competition that meant they've had to drop their prices to compete. On a macro scale brexit might not make any sense but on a micro scale it makes a lot of sense to a lot of people...
Blockquote fail 🤔
Lorry drivers, people who depend on international movement, voting to remove international movement.
Driving a lorry across Europe is completely different from FOM within the EU. But you know that don't you ?
THEPOKE.CO.UK ... and presumably next week he hopes to attempt further deals with ASDA and Lidl.
Driving a lorry across Europe is completely different from FOM within the EU. But you know that don’t you ?
You've looked into this, yes? I mean, you wouldn't start challenging people without doing a cursory check into how things work now… would you…? I mean, a nonEU driver has much the same right to deliver between, and within, EU countries as an EU driver…yeah?
You’ve looked into this, yes? I mean, you wouldn’t start challenging people without doing a cursory check into how things work now… would you…?
Who do you think he is, the Secretary of State for International Trade?
Driving a lorry across Europe is completely different from FOM within the EU. But you know that don’t you ?
Not sure "FOM" was my point, my point was more all a bit like:
I have’nt seen the times planned for the Lorry protests, if they are more than just rumours
, but can’t imagine they will be holding up traffic on the M1 or near London on Saturday morning to stop peoplesvote/remain protesters from getting to the march in London.
You’ve looked into this, yes?
Yes.
I mean, a nonEU driver has much the same right to deliver between, and within, EU countries as an EU driver…yeah?
Again yes. Mrmonkfinger has kindly posted a link.
Again yes.
Read more. Or talk to someone in the industry.
Read more. Or talk to someone in the industry
I read loads already. But if you want to point me in the direction of something that says British lorry drivers will no longer be able to drive in the EU post brexit I'll read that as well. In the meantime read monkfingers link which is a worst case no deal brexit.
The farce continues
Barnier's sounding pretty cool on an extension, the bullshiiters Johnson & Mogg (& Jenkyns on newsnight) still saying the EU will blink at the last minute....
Labour have gone deep deep underground, happy to let the Tories expose themselves as the most incompetent government in living memory....
Worth also noting that Dublin have already built extra warehousing & inspection points at their port, Calais & Cherbourg have bought up extra land for lorry parking & hiring 1000s of border staff, Rotterdam have installed a new computer system and employed new staff- they are limited for space.
Chris grayling has paid millions for non existent ferries & organised some lorries to drive around an old airfield.
I'm not sure that lorry protests if we don't leave will be the problem, the government is only able to issue 5%? Of the necessary permits for UK lorry drivers to enter the EU , if we do leave without a deal
I think we may be in trouble..!
…British lorry drivers will no longer be able to drive in the EU post brexit…
No one has said that will not happen, just that the rules will be quite different, as they are for other nonEU drivers.
In the meantime read monkfingers link which is a worst case no deal brexit.
If we have a "deal", we carry on as if in the EU 'till the end of transition. Once we are not acting as if in the EU, drivers will be limited by number, and face new limits as regards deliveries within the EU.
if you want to point me in the direction of something that says British lorry drivers will no longer be able to drive in the EU post brexit I’ll read that as well.
The "3 Blokes in a Pub" videos on YouTube might be a good place to start. IIRC their very first episode talks extensively with an international lorry driver about the challenges he's likely to face (if it's not the first, it's one of the early ones).
Once we are not acting as if in the EU, drivers will be limited by number, and face new limits as regards deliveries within the EU.
A link to this information would be genuinely appreciated. 👍
It's a while since I watched it so this might not cover everything you're asking exactly, I don't remember. But it's worth a watch in any case.
"Ciaran Donovan is LBC's famous "White Van man", the guy who took on Jacob Rees-Mogg live on air. He's driven over a million miles around Europe, crossed every border. There's not much about logistics, cargo, shipping and just-in-time deliveries he doesn't know."
Have you actually read the link?
UK drivers only allowed to drive without int license till end of 2019.
Trailers need to be registered etc...
Quite a lot of changes and extra costs.
Probably all an exaggeration...
. Once we are not acting as if in the EU, drivers will be limited by number, and face new limits as regards deliveries within the EU.
Thanks for this, it got me reading even more. And your quite right, if agreements aren't reached post no deal brexit there would be extremely severe consequences for British transport companies.
Dug this link out which isn't to long and explains quite a bit.
