[b]wheel2wheel-Member[/b] = Elfinsafety/Fred,or a poundshop chewkw.
fred was not that dumb either way its pointless engaging with them as they only want to bait- Ignore is the best option
Graham is still my best bet as he hated the lefties almost as much as he hated himself - as they ignore my baiting its deffo him as he knows he cannot control himself in my presence ...ah trolling its so easy and yet so utterly pointless.
The big difference is that the Lords can not initiate laws whereas the Commission does.
the commission doesn't initiate legislation. the council of ministers does that, the commission draft/propose the laws for the parliament to accept or reject
ah trolling its so easy and yet so utterly pointless.
Like so many things it's easy to do it badly, difficult to master the art though...
I see the new member has a brief but consistent thread profile (with 1 exception), perhaps someone has a stock of user ID's ready to go
The big difference is that the Lords can not initiate laws whereas the Commission does.
I'm confused
http://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/work-of-the-house-of-lords/making-laws/
Making laws: [b]Bills (draft laws) [u]start [/u]in either the House of Lords[/b] or House of Commons. They go through set stages of approval in both Houses before they can be signed off by the Queen (Royal Assent) and become an Act of Parliament (law).
true when done well - david taylforth for example -it was thing of beauty
this is just blatant trolling.
So - what about the last poll then? 55/45 remain?
Was that the one the Indy were talking about?
As previously the number of undecided that go either way will swing it, from the nature of the last week I think more will have been swayed remain than leave. Also don't forget the I'll agree with you if you shut up impression that was apparent in the scottish feel/polls/mood where people declared what they thought was the right answer to avoid hassle.
Well, if Ben wants to take us back to 1975 - I can only recommend listening to Peter Shore
YES IT CAN
It can but only Government Bills have an realistic chance of being passed and you can only form a government if you command the confidence of the Commons, so its lawmaking powers are completely dependent upon the Commons in practice.
There is still a big difference between a Government minister who are largely elected MPs and an appointee to the Commission.
You sidestepped the question Mikey74. We can get rid of Boris.A vote to Remain could easily get Blair at the helm of an even more powerful EU.
A vote to Remain is a real chance of you getting Blair. Maybe you are OK with the Wars after all?
Not for a few years.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion that Blair would start wars as president of the EU? That really is getting into the realms of fantasy.
Personally, I don't think he would be any worse than any other career politician.
the commission doesn't initiate legislation. the council of ministers does that, the commission draft/propose the laws for the parliament to accept or reject
Not after Lisbon
Having a 13 euro 3 course lunch in the Camargue washed down by a small carafe of rose, I know which way I am voting:-)
This is essentially true of our parliament- though on paper I accepts its different but the reality is the same.
Imagine if there was an easily accessible list of all those private members bills that had been successful over the past, say, thirty years, that demonstrated that 'the reality' is that our elected representatives on any party really can, and do, initiate legislation:
mefty - Member
the commission doesn't initiate legislation. the council of ministers does that, the commission draft/propose the laws for the parliament to accept or reject
Not after Lisbon
and in reality does it actually ****ing matter?
Stop slagging off Junker. At a press conference this morning.....
.One of our member states has performed particularly well, sending three teams to the knock out stage."We don't see this as an abuse of dominant position, although some competition lawyers noted it."
and in reality does it actually **** matter?
Probably not if you live in Tasmania.
UK and EU Citizen with interests so it does to me.
Apart from some points scoring as the question above it's differently democratic, but still democratic as Member nations put their commissioner forward. Flip it round how would you suggest they run the place?
Surely they must have an inkling by now I just read that Edinburgh has already had 85% of their votes in by wednesday postal
obviously I know scottish people shouldn't be allowed to vote and decide the future of the UK as they tried to leave a wee while ago so it may not be relevant
UK and EU Citizen with interests so it does to me.
not any more Tazmania boy your out
no exit polling so we won't have any idea till a least midnight 😯
Stockmarket appears to be suggesting Remain.
so its lawmaking powers are completely dependent upon the Commons in practice.
True but they can propose laws form the lords which was the point I countered.
There is still a big difference between a Government minister who are largely elected MPs and an appointee to the Commission.
Yes the later are democratically elected and the former are appointed by the PM and WILL include non elected folk from the lords.
The former is less democratic as there is no oversight, no check and no balance. The PM can pick who they like and no one votes on this.
By any measure we[the UK] cannot be the better option on the democratic deficit point.
If we remain Germany has promised not to hog the sun loungers and supply the baddie for all James Bond films
'Britons, vote in our name': UK referendum dominates continental front pages | Politics | The Guardian - [url]www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/britons-vote-in-our-name-uk-referendum-dominates-continental-front-pages?campaign_id=A100&campaign_type=Email ]Link[/url]
Stockmarket appears to be suggesting Remain
Is that near Newmarket?
I have to say that there have been few positives in this pretty hateful campaign (from both sides).
One thing though is that, due to the joys of social media, I now know for certain which of the people who I regarded as friends is actually a complete petty, small-minded, insular, backward looking, racist bell end.
Some have outed themselves quite spectacularly by reposting anti-muslim Britain First nonsense, and other such crap, and expressed opinions that are just plain vile.
At the moment its moderately interesting reading this shite. But there is a big Friendface and ****ter cull on the way shortly
Every cloud eh? 😀
Stockmarket appears to be suggesting Remain
Is that near Newmarket?
No it's up river from Stockport
Hora?
Hora is already gone. I had enough of his half-baked, nonsensical drivel half way through last week
Just read this on the Guardian website
[i]North Wiltshire Tory MP James Gray (a passionate leave supporter) says if people vote to remain he will accept “the democratic will of the people”, but only if it is a “reasonable majority” suggestion around 60-40.[/i]
Well thats *ing big of him? The arrogance and sense of entitlement of these people is staggering!! Though entirely unsurprising from a campaign led by a huge man baby who seems to think his divine destiny is to rule over all he surveys
*s!!!
binners - Member
I have to say that there have been few positives in this pretty hateful campaign (from both sides).One thing though is that, due to the joys of social media, I now know for certain which of the people who I regarded as friends is actually a complete petty, small-minded, insular, backward looking, racist bell end.
I have been heartened by the fact that so many of my friends, relatives, colleagues, people I knew at university and at school have expressed [b]sensible, rational, level-headed and pragmatic[/b] views in favour of the UK remaining a member of the EU.
binners - Member
Hora is already gone. I had enough of his half-baked, nonsensical drivel half way through last week
I don't blame you.
you gov will have their 10'o clock poll surely?Klunk - Member
no exit polling so we won't have any idea till a least midnight
It would seem that the tinfoil hat brigade are suggesting that by having pencils in voting booths 'they' will be able to erase a leave vote and substitute a Remain vote. Either that or there are 'millions' of pre-printed remain ballot papers that are going to be substituted.
Whichever, they are suggesting that if there is a Remain win it will be "fixed"
Has anyone seen anything from chekw. Am concerned his late night keyboard mashing might have sent him over the edge
I have been heartened by the fact that so many of my friends, relatives, colleagues, people I knew at university and at school have expressed sensible, rational, level-headed and pragmatic views in favour of the UK remaining a member of the EU.
Same here, by and large.
I'm more concerned/surprised at the fact that when I pitched up today to vote I forgot my poll card, just gave my name and address, was struck off a list and handed my voting slip, voted, posted it in the box without the need to provide any form of identification or any means to prove I was who I said I was. I could have gone in again and given my neighbours name and got a second vote with the only thing to prevent that from happening is that the person at the desk didn't recognise me....or to get around that, given the name and address of someone from a different part of my village which would have meant I checked in at a different desk altogether.
[quote=wobbliscott ]I'm more concerned/surprised at the fact that when I pitched up today to vote I forgot my poll card, just gave my name and address, was struck off a list and handed my voting slip, voted, posted it in the box without the need to provide any form of identification or any means to prove I was who I said I was. I could have gone in again and given my neighbours name and got a second vote with the only thing to prevent that from happening is that the person at the desk didn't recognise me....or to get around that, given the name and address of someone from a different part of my village which would have meant I checked in at a different desk altogether.
you mean like at most elections?
Whichever, they are suggesting that if there is a Remain win it will be "fixed"
If remain win, it will be a triumph of good sense over emotion, delusion, willful ignorance and prejudice.
If leave win, it will be a sad day as it will suggest that the majority of voters in the UK have a concerning world view.
It has always surprised me you don't need ID to vote
Years ago a friend of mine, knowing his brother would not vote and being too young himself to vote turned up and voted as him in a general election
This friend would be foolish to admit this offence publicly.
[quote=wobbliscott ]I'm more concerned/surprised at the fact that when I pitched up today to vote I forgot my poll card, just gave my name and address, was struck off a list and handed my voting slip, voted, posted it in the box without the need to provide any form of identification or any means to prove I was who I said I was. I could have gone in again and given my neighbours name and got a second vote with the only thing to prevent that from happening is that the person at the desk didn't recognise me....or to get around that, given the name and address of someone from a different part of my village which would have meant I checked in at a different desk altogether.
I assume you've never voted before?
Anyone else slightly nervous about this one? With general elections you know it's all change after a few years but this is a little more permanent
but this is[s] a little more[/s] permanent
If it goes one way.
you've never needed a polling card to vote, as long as you are registered and there's not a line through your name you can vote!
[quote=binners ]One thing though is that, due to the joys of social media, I now know for certain which of the people who I regarded as friends is actually a complete petty, small-minded, insular, backward looking, racist bell end.
Some have outed themselves quite spectacularly by reposting anti-muslim Britain First nonsense, and other such crap, and expressed opinions that are just plain vile.The only stuff I've seen like this is when a friend has responded to some of the shite in order to counter it (normally TJ). Of course it could be that some folk actually know they are petty, small-minded, insular, backward looking, racist bell ends but don't feel the need to advertise it.
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Apparently it says :
"Dear Britain, if you stay in the EU...
We will acknowledge the Wembley goal.
We won't make any more jokes about Prince Charles' ears.
We won't wear sun cream on the beach in solidarity with your sunburn.
We will go without our goalkeeper at the next penalty shootout to make it more exciting.
We will introduce tea time, with buckets on the beaches of Majorca.
We will willingly provide the villain in every Bond film.
We'll start "ticking" like you and put our clocks back by an hour.
We'll put through an EU directive which forbids foam on our beer.
We'll reserve sun loungers around the pool for you with our towels.
Jogi Löw will guard your crown jewels.
We will come to your Queen's 100th birthday."
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