I mean, where do you begin debating with that level of belligerently stupid?
Simple answer....We can't debate with such people but we could remove them from the electoral roll (and sterilise them for good measure) so they cannot vote ever again, if you are that ignorant of the facts yet continue to believe in unicorns then you have zero right to have a say in how the country is run.
We keep being told that people who voted for Brexit aren't all shit-thick racists. Well a hefty chunk of them certainly seem to be just that
The level of 'logic' being exhibited by them....
, if you are that ignorant of the facts yet continue to believe in unicorns then you have zero right to have a say in how the country is run.
And yet you can still be leader of the Labour Party
What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches. They had some effect and they weren't attended by the liberal elite with well meaning banners. I went on some of those in the 90s and they were proper civil unrest, marching on Westminster, getting corralled by the police. Good times. What has happened to those people, the far left you'd probably call them Socialist Worker Party, Class War anarchists plus a lot of ordinary trades union members. Did they all grow up and turn in to the latte slurping lefties that we see on demos these days? I imagine some of them are even pro Brexit, especially the trades union members.
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It'll be the same as that creepy-as-**** thing she did before the election, where they sneaked her into a locked warehouse with a pre-selected audience and everyone reported how great it went.
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What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches. They had some effect and they weren’t attended by the liberal elite with well meaning banners
I took part in 2 out of 3 of those, and yes they were.
But if we did the same again, you know how it'd go, they road tested the new response in 2011 and there was hardly a peep.
Theresa May says she's got the best deal for the country.
Unfortunately the country in question is France.
Mogg has just been on radio 4
To summarise the interview:
These figures are wrong!
How are they wrong?
Because I say they are. And anyway.... you can't trust a Canadian.
Then David Davis, another intellectual heavyweight, weighed in to say that this was just more project fear
Given the irrefutable logic of their arguaments I'm amazed I wasn't convinced to vote to leave in the first place
What about the Poll Tax riots, anti CJB riots and Reclaim the Streets marches.
Exactly what I'm talking about. I was involved in all those too. Back then we didn't wait for politicians to lead, we made them catch up. If the supposed dispossessed younger generation want a better deal they need to get off their arses quite frankly. I've a lot of sympathy with them but they need to drop the entitled hard done by act and start organising and making a nuisance of themselves.
What has happened to those people
We got older, got jobs, had kids. SImple as that really. Civil disobedience and resistance was always a young person's thing and probably always will be as you have a lot less to lose when you're young.
I’m particularly enjoying the ‘but we weren’t told the economy was going to be worse off after brexit’ comments. Actually you were,
PROJECT FEAR!
We keep being told that people who voted for Brexit aren’t all shit-thick racists. Well a hefty chunk of them certainly seem to be just that
Giving them the benefit of the doubt, the shouty ones certainly are. Whether they're representative of those who voted leave overall is hard to say.
A comment in that BBC article that it’s the BBCs fault that the pound is crashing and they simply shouldn’t publish any negative news😂
If the supposed dispossessed younger generation want a better deal they need to get off their arses quite frankly. I’ve a lot of sympathy with them but they need to drop the entitled hard done by act and start organising and making a nuisance of themselves.
Still pedalling that one, it's all avocado's, fancy phones and latte's these days?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34721681
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_student_protests
Should they start with the guillotine or just a gentle riot?
But but potholes.
The problem with the chattering classes is it's easy being principled in an echo chamber such as this but when faced with a batten charge.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309
Hi, I was looking for some sunlit uplands, a unicorn or two and the easiest trade deals in history. Someone said something about no downsides, only considerable upsides - are they upsides anywhere to be seen as well?
I was sure there was a delivery of all that lot due any day now.
I’m really looking forward to next summers riots. I’m hoping they culminate in the lynching of Boris Johnson
this is for you diane abbott
today its wednesdaaaaaay....
tomorrow is thuuuuuursdaaaaay
just so you have a ****ing clue what day it is i mean really when she starts interjecting ............ITS ****ED
<p>Civil disobedience and resistance was always a young person’s thing and probably always will be as you have a lot less to lose when you’re young.</p>
<p>Except any chance of a career or realising any decent prospects you mean?</p><p>The world has changed, social media can put someone on the spot and screw them royally, it only takes one person with a camera at the right moment and that's it.</p>
Should they start with the guillotine or just a gentle riot?
Well much as I disagree with random untargeted violence, a riot or two might actually make the politicians sit up and take notice. So where are they are on brexit? It's a much bigger issue than university fees, and apparently they're being shafted by the old which will destroy any chance they'll have of having a decent life. I'm not trying to have a go at them, I agree with them pretty much, but if they want things to change they have to make it happen themselves cos no one else will.
it only takes one person with a camera at the right moment and that’s it
That and the effectiveness has been dropping. Unless you are willing to get into proper violence with the attendant risks to careers most recent marches regardless of how well attended have been ignored.
The problem with civil unrest is the the politicians have got much better at playing the propaganda game using it for their own ends and discrediting rightful protests, even going so far as using under cover police as protagonists for violence.
I’m actually amazed there hasn’t been a big remain march. Support would be massive imho. My kids would definitely be on it.
Sarcasm Dan? 😉
The BBC decided that slagging off the Labour Party was far more newsworthy than reporting them.
The Moggster actually referred to MC as a '...second rate, failed Canadian politician'. 🙂
As opposed to a second rate, failed human being.
Don’t know if this has been linked, very good article https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/how-right-s-brexit-dream-died
That's a fascinating read, thanks for sharing.
Yeah just read that too. Absolutely brilliant read
Great read - thanks.
I spent yesterday at an EU Exit meeting in Leeds covering the chemical industry and effects of deal/no deal Brexit (boring complicated subjects like REACH, ECHA, CLP labelling, Customs, HMRC third party rules etc - nothing that easily fits on the side of a bus).
100+ people with heads in hands wondering how the hell we (as a country) could be so stupid.
I truly wish Farage or Mogg (or even any of the Brexiteers on here) could have been present to demonstrate their superior intellects and explain away the project fear mumbo jumbo...
for a march to have an impact , it needs to happen every week , block motorways etc...
look at french news for the way to do it .
At work in the Netherlands, I forgot a password. The temporary password they gave me was Brexit01. Oh how we laughed until I started off on a long rant.
Anyone heard from Ruth Davidson recently? I always thought she was reasonably sane and funny as Conservative MPs go.
Has she been 'disappeared'?
She had a baby a month ago and is on maternity leave,
Which at least shows her skill at tactical scheduling.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn't do - i called a colleague a '****ing idiot'.
TBF he is also a ****ing idiot outside of this particular issue, but his all round idiocy became too much.
I simply cannot see how this will resolve itself, and i'm worried.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn’t do – i called a colleague a ‘****ing idiot’.
An advantage of working in Edinburgh. Actually quite hard to find many Brexiteers.
Can’t just be me that’s experienced that?
An advantage of working in Edinburgh. Actually quite hard to find many Brexiteers.
Head north, they're all in the 'blue belt' which I think extends from about Bridge of Allan to Perthshire. My wife and her family are all loyal Tories who voted Brexit for the following reasons: Immigrants.
Scotroutes: that Dateline link is genius, thanks for sharing! 😀
I truly wish Farage or Mogg (or even any of the Brexiteers on here) could have been present to demonstrate their superior intellects and explain away the project fear mumbo jumbo…
Similar meeting regarding Europe wide cancer trials some a while back (we have gone fron main driver to backseat passenger until we know where we will stand on patient data regs) amusing as the Genomics England guy was one of the most vocal critics & that's a government run company.
It truly is amazing how the Tories bonkers brexit is destroying their credibility with business.
Following Johnson’s comment “f*** business” regarding the worries about the economy, Bill Cash was on the tellybox last night stating quite matter-of-factly that Brexiters’ entire motivation was political and though he (and his friends) recognised that the economy would be plunged into chaos by a no deal situation, it wasn’t as important to them as the wresting of political power away from a participatory EU, into the hands of the nationalist forces that he represents. The suggestion is that the U.K. survived WW2 with the alleged “good old British cup-of-tea dogged determination spirit” and so this is what will see us through any disruption caused by a crash out.
So what these people are deliberately doing, is pushing the U.K. towards a state of penury and suffering not seen since the blitz, to enable their own grab for power, whilst being the last to suffer it’s effects that will have to be born by those without access to capital wealth of the kind enjoyed by the Rees-Moggs, Johnsons and Camerons of this world. IE - the rest of us.
If their project fails, at what stage will these conspirators be bought to book for treason and stripped of their freedom and privileges?
Don’t hold your breath.
Today i did what i had promised myself i wouldn’t do – i called a colleague a ‘****ing idiot’.
I called a colleague (actually, he was my boss) a ‘****ing idiot’ the morning the result came in. He was an intelligent bloke who said he'd voted leave as a * off to Cameron because "I didn't think for a second they'd actually win!"
I thought it was entirely justified under the circumstances. The *ing idiot!
Wopster - Its going to be just like the banking Crisis all over again. Those that cause it will just shrug, wander off completely immune from the consequences, then look how much their power and wealth has increased as a result of the fallout from it, while ignoring the smouldering wreckage of the disaster they caused.
It's us 'little people' who will be left to pick up the pieces. Same old, same old....
Christ, I *ing loath the lot of the cold, uncaring, greedy, morally bankrupt *s!!!
Yes, binns. It didn’t occur to him to ask, what would make them win?
Oh yes - people voting for it...
I entirely agree with regard to the award of his non-ability to reason, that you attribute. 👌
My wife and her family are all loyal Tories who voted Brexit for the following reasons: Immigrants.
I should imagine that's of pressing importance in Perthshire.
Examining my own feelings, I discover that I am contemptible of them and despise them with extreme prejudice. Not only have they abandoned those whose care they are supposedly responsible for, they have also abandoned the very entities that their Conservatism pretends to support - the businesses that generate the wealth on which the country depends.
I don’t hate them. They’re not good enough for that.
Ironically, they may have provided an opportunity for employers and workers to discover a space in which they can finally coalesce...
So Andrea Loathsome has either been bought off with a peerage, or the penny has dropped that the alternative to 'the deal' is no Brexit at all.
The Moggster actually referred to MC as a ‘…second rate, failed Canadian politician’.
The veneer of politeness that he claims to favour is wearing very very thin indeed. You can see more and more of his true personality every day.
I should imagine that’s of pressing importance in Perthshire.
Agriculture and hospitality would be the most visible areas that’s seen immigration in Perthshire?
I recall a lot of anti immigration sentiment in both Northants and Norfolk rural areas. Largely down to Eastern European’s taking jobs in the rural industries.