North East Fife is a hot bed of toryism and brexit (see: my parents).
Recent utterrings include "we're being overrun by immigrants" (NE Fife is just a see of white faces) and "I voted to leave to get rid of all the ****s" (After pointing out that ****stan wasn't in the EU, my mum said "well, you know what i mean")
To be fair to my dad, he didn't vote leave because of immigration, more he wanted a more global/free trading Britain. Which I can understand, even if I don't think it stands up to scrutiny. He also wants to pay less income tax.
Hers an idea for the gammons.
Should we just accept the first Brexit that comes along or the best one?
Now we know what the questions are let's go away for 10 (maybe 20, maybe a 100) years to figure out the answers then we can have a proper Red White And Blue Brexit fit for the hero warrior lions of this brave isle.
The EU might have won the battle but like Dunkirk we shall retreat , heal our wounds and attack when the time is right for us.
"If you think old England's done."
Think again.
We shall give the EU the pretence that we are remaining but really we are training.
Training for the day when it is once again legal to hoist the union jack as we all know the EU has banned it.
Anyone who doesn't agree with the above is a traitor.
Fact.
May is presently being questioned by a parliamentary liaison committee. Its on Five Live
I am listening to the British Prime Minister justifying carrying out a policy that she knows full well is going to cause untold damage to the countries economy and remove the rights from its citizens, but all that is all fine because.... less immigrants
Its surreal. It's like a waking nightmare. Like Nick Griffin is writing government policy
I don't think I know anyone that voted Brexit - despite me being close to Moray, the area in Scotland most finely balance between Leave and Remain. I assume because of the large number of military and ex-military types living there
Loads of immigrants round my way but also an area of very low unemployment.
One good thing to come out of Brexit is that the Boris Johnson 'oh he's clever underneath' lie has finally been slain, he's stuck his foot in his mouth too many times to get away with the pretence any more...
Yet he's still the bookies odds-on favourite as next Tory leader - and therefore possibly PM. I think most of us saw through Boris years ago. The senile old racists that comprise the Tory Party membership simply don't want too.
Part of me would like to see him become PM. Its'd be such an unmitigated disaster that his premiership wouldn't last 5 minutes and would se the Tory's out of power for a generation. I'd love that to be his legacy
He also wants to pay less income tax.
Has he medical insurance and a good personal pension pot? Does he also have a billion or more in the bank?
If it's a no to any or all of these then Brexit isn't for him.
I know people who voted leave as they believe there will be more higher paid jobs, lower taxes and higher unemployment benefits....
now there may well be more higher paid jobs available as supply of people drops until we manage to sort out our next range of cheap imports. Trouble is the jobs they think they will suddenly get they would never get in a million years.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the premiership with all the eu players potentially needing a visa mid season...
Look at this. What will happen when the racist cretins realise that they have caused a massive increase in not just the proportion, but also the actual numbers of non-EU migrants to the UK? Such migrants are much more likely to be non-white, and/or Muslim. Who will the gammons blame for that?
I have not one ounce of respect for Bill Cash's position, or any of the other zealots, until they start caveating their comments about the 'price worth paying' with the universal truth: "of course, it'll be you lot paying that price, not us."
I loved Moggs comment about Carney being a failed second-rate politician. The interviewer missed a trick in not immediately asking him to describe what a successful first-rate politician looks like?
One who arrogantly and pompously mounts a coup before slowly realising he hasn't even got half the votes he needs to do so, while hosting a press conference that makes him a laughing stock? 😀
But but we are all going to be better off. May told us last year.
Mogg wants the economic disruption & damage of Brexit. It is not a "price to pay" for leaving the EU, for him, it is the reason for doing so. His dad literally wrote the book(s) on how to make money out of this kind of situation. He wants to help off shore funds make money off the back of the misfortune of ordinary Brits. He's an evil shit and it's time the media started calling him out for it, rather than revelling in his entertainment value.
Mogg's aims are completely at odds with the job we pay the gov of BofE to do for us. If he's angry with Carney, that's a good sign he's performing his role appropriately.
Before anyone is asked to comment on Brexit on tv/radio they should have to explain why they personally want/don't want Brexit and not all the gaining back control BS. Most of them would have to lie but at least you have a chance of seeing it.
Look at this. What will happen when the racist cretins realise that they have caused a massive increase in not just the proportion, but also the actual numbers of non-EU migrants to the UK? Such migrants are much more likely to be non-white, and/or Muslim
I predicted exactly this back on like page 2 of this discussion.
Before anyone is asked to comment on Brexit on tv/radio they should have to explain why they personally want/don’t want Brexit and not all the gaining back control BS.
There was a woman on the radio just now, said she voted for brexit because she wanted the housing market to crash. She's trying to buy a £250K property in Hampshire.
Carney called out the swivel eyed at the BOE conf yesterday, qhen askwd about the forecast Carney reset the Brexiteers position by explaining how their forecasts were created and the data sources.
Rees Mogg is on his arse and he knows it, resorted to "sound bites" he is not smart or clever the man is just full of crap latin. He has been outed as the press serve him up as a parody and he doesnt know it.
I predicted exactly this back on like page 2 of this discussion.
Yeah, it was kind of obvious, wasn't it? But now it's actually there, happening, and I bet the idiots will either deny it or blame the EU for it.
Heard JRM playing the man not the ball yesterday on PM, sure sign that he's run out of ideas
At least Brexit is showing the world what idiots they actually are
Carney called out the swivel eyed at the BOE conf yesterday, qhen askwd about the forecast Carney reset the Brexiteers position by explaining how their forecasts were created and the data sources.
Rees Mogg is on his arse and he knows it, resorted to “sound bites” he is not smart or clever the man is just full of crap latin. He has been outed as the press serve him up as a parody and he doesnt know it.
Indeed.
Carney may very well be a failed Canadian politician, but he's also the head of the Bank of England.
Mogg on the other hand is just a failed English politician and nothing more
However, Carney is not a failed politician - he was the Deputy Minister of Finance at the Canadian Finance Ministry - which unlike a Minister in the British Government is a civil service role, not an elected political role. JRM didn't appear to know the difference.
While its funny that they are all now being exposed as the fools that they clearly are, it would have been a lot better for us all if people had acknowledged this self-evident fact in June 2016
How anyone could ever take idiots like Boris Johnson and David Davis seriously has always been absolutely beyond me
JRM is an oxygen thief....
So is Davis, Boris, Bone and the whole of the ERG - they are simply awaiting an extinction event.
Think JRM and Tim Wetherspoon piss me off the most, one offers cheaper shoes and clothes for poor people- the other says he can take 37p off a burger and a pint.
How the * can people not see through these complete *s
Whenever i hear or see JRM speak i daydream about this scene in Drive where ryan gosling opens a can of whoop-ass.
Carney seems like a good person whereas JRM, Boris, Bone etc, really don't. Judge by the person first and then the politics.
Does anyone suspect that May is perfect willing to go through with a no deal Brexit (contrary to what Yvette Cooper has said)? Her evil smile in response to Yvette was telling.
I think the game plan is to try and sell this deal, if no deal Brexit happens and the economy tanks - they will then blame Labour and remainers for the damage to the economy. I think quite a few on the fence voters would actually buy that.
So ok, save the obvious general increase of xenophobia 🙁 what will that change lets say for an ex -EU immigrant that want to go back to the UK to see his friend?
Just asking for a mate you know.
Thing about Bank of England is.... the financial crash.
At the centre of what should have been one of the most integrated financial and political information gathering systems in the world and it (effectively) blind-sided them.
And Mervyn King, Governor of the BoE at the time, doesn't get ejected into orbit, he becomes a Baron.
So, how much better is the BofE now and how much more "aware" is Carney?
Just sayin', like.
There's going to be a debate 😀
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46386737
But Corbyn wants it to be on ITV, because...
Mr Corbyn claimed he preferred ITV's bid out of "respect" for viewers who wanted to watch the I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here! final on ITV the same evening - 9 December.
You couldn't make it up 😂😂
Out of respect. L.O.L.
(To be fair I have more interest in I'm a Celebrity than the cluster$%*& that Brexit has become).
All Carney can do is manage what ever shit storm he is given, he is not in charge of the process.
I dont know why he bothers, probably just to get his own back for all the shite the swivel eyed give him.
I would dread to think of the BOE with a David Davies at the helm.
Said it before this is the biggest long con in history and many Tories know this, if they get a hard Brexit its a right wing financial wet dream - the ultimate uber extension of Thatchers vision.
At the centre of what should have been one of the most integrated financial and political information gathering systems in the world and it (effectively) blind-sided them.
They weren't though, they were originally but Gordon Brown took away their regulatory role which removed a key source of information.
However, the analysis they have done has largely been taken out of context, the scenario everyone is focussing on is a highly unlikely worst case scenario which was requested by MPs, the chances of it coming to pass, even in the event of No deal are tiny. Carney said as much on the wireless this morning. As always the Brexit debate is dominated by heat not light.
What the **** is the point of a televised debate??? The public aren't going to be voting on the deal. The debate serves no point.
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I think the game plan is to try and sell this deal, if no deal Brexit happens and the economy tanks – they will then blame Labour and remainers for the damage to the economy. I think quite a few on the fence voters would actually buy that.
Giving her too much credit. Less than a week ago she said it was her deal or "back to square one", then she went to Scotland and pretended that actually it's her deal or no deal brexit, she can;t maintain her "plan" to the end of a paragraph.
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The public aren’t going to be voting on the deal.
There's a decent chance of it.
Has anyone noticed how much Jo Johnson sounds like David Millar?
What the **** is the point of a televised debate??? The public aren’t going to be voting on the deal. The debate serves no point.
She needs to convince mps the public. Support the idea of her deal. Unless a remain voice is there it is however a pointless exercise of your shit smells worse than my shit.
That bloke at the end of the vid… hard not to agree with him as regards Scotland, sadly.
A day trip to Glasgow now isn't going to make up for May putting Scotland at the bottom of her priorities. And parliament mostly let her do this. When the original referendum legislation went through, an amendment was tabled saying that all four countries would need to vote >50% to Leave for it to happen… this was dismissed by saying that as the vote was purely advisory, the government could take into account how each country voted before deciding what to do. After the vote, the Tories (and Corbyn) just pushed full steam ahead with A50 and ignored both the impact on, and the will of, people North of the border.
She needs to convince mps the public. Support the idea of her deal. Unless a remain voice is there it is however a pointless exercise of your shit smells worse than my shit.
People have already decided.
All this debate will be is tons of hot air. Neither side will give solid answers, much will depend on the knowledge & the ability of whoever chairs the debate to not have their answers brushed off.
Well if the chair.can at leat pull her up on how she is going to find the money for the nhs while the brexit bills currently exceed our payments etc. Some solid fact checking given straight back to them would help any wavering on the just get in with it/nothing will really change
What the **** is the point of a televised debate??? The public aren’t going to be voting on the deal. The debate serves no point.
Of course it does for some of us it will be a public airing of how much complete bollocks two people can talk Holst not giving a flying **** about the public
.......who will mostly be watching reruns of I'm a ****ing nobody get me out of here.
It was joked int workshop that Noel only went in their so he didn't have to do a brexit special of deal or no deal with mark carney as the banker...
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Corbyn wants to do what he does at PMQ’s every week and ignore Brexit and ask about rural bus timetables or something else essential to the upcoming socialist republic.
May will repeat sound bites like a malfunctioning droid.
its a complete waste of time. It’d be better, and more entertaining if they had it out in a different fashion...
Corbyn wants to do what he does at PMQ’s every week and ignore Brexit and ask about rural bus timetables or something else essential to the upcoming socialist republic.
So you don't rate Corbyn then, please tell us all about it...
May will repeat sound bites
Who does she remind me of? Hmm.
Corbyn wants to do what he does at PMQ’s every week and ignore Brexit and ask about rural bus timetables or something else essential to the upcoming socialist republic.
Lying serves only to confirm your prejudice.