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Far from her biggest fan but would a change of leader really help the situation right now??
Depends,if your goal is a no-deal brexit an 11th hour change of leader sounds like a good way to do it.
Unless the new PM pledges a 2nd ref.
I guess, but this is a Brexiteer coup. I don’t think we’d get a Remainer PM out of it
It's a bit of a shame that...
jamby isn't here to tell us that May's playing an absolute blinder
Thm can't say the grown ups will sort it & May will pull it off
Ninfan here to blame multiculturalism
& Chewy to say 'bahweepgranaweepninybong it's all the fault of Brussles bureaucrats'
I would post more,but I'm currently having to console the Eastern European bar staff who serve me in my local.
I guess, but this is a Brexiteer coup. I don’t think we’d get a Remainer PM out of it
The brexiteers can trigger the vote of no confidence, but they don't select the replacement candidates do they? Remember that remainers are a big majority in the Tories - this would be an ideal opportunity to get a remainer in as PM, they should walk it in as the MPs won't be beholden to their constituents on this issue will they?
It’s like game of thrones. Build it up for an entire season to a big cliffhanger, then nowt happens.
Needs more dragons but not the same level of nudity.
Tory mps whittle down any candidates to the final two - and then a vote amongst the membership for the final two. This means two remainers have to stand and be chosen by mps - who are overwhelmingly remainers so as to stop a leaver getting on the ballot for the membership - who would definitely support a leaver. My aunt is a staunch leaver and in Moggs constituency - she wants him as PM as does my cousin. I would be happy with Mogg as he is completely unelectable to the country at large and also clearly incapable of getting any deal
I'm starting to believe that she's actually played a blinder and managed to fudge it up so much that we actually remain. She was a remainer after all.
I would be happy with Mogg as he is completely unelectable to the country at large
As unelectable as Trump?
Mogg has no populist base big enough - trump appealed to disenfranchised rural working class. Mogg has no appeal outside of rabid brexiteers.
The last thing Mogg wants is any actual responsibility for sorting this shit out! That’d be a nightmare! Clearing up the shit you helped to create? Leave that to the grown ups!
He’s got what is his dream job..... the leader of the idiots throwing shit from the sidelines, while offering no alternatives and no answers. Just a double-breasted Boris.
Theyve seen where that got Corbyn where he inadvertently went too far and ended up having to (up to a point) do something about stuff rather than just endlessly gob off. They won’t be making that mistake!
Whats depressing is that people are too thick to see straight through these shysters
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That moment when she went out for questions and nobody wanted to ask her anything was just kind of sad. Laura! Ask me something!”
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Ha! Yes I chuckled at that too, the whole room were waiting for her resignation and when that didn’t come they were dumbstruck and had no questions ready for anything else
I would be happy with Mogg as he is completely unelectable to the country at large and also clearly incapable of getting any deal
Mogg doesn't care about a deal. He'll happily leave without one. A dangerous man
I'm not sure Jacob rich snob is as influencial as he thinks he is.
He's all pin stripe suits and fondling his glasses..
A bit like David Davis.
Yep, whether Rees Mogg could get a deal or not is irrelevant; he doesn't want a deal, he wants the worst possible disorderly brexit. The only thing he's worried about is no brexit at all.
Houns wrote,
"Ha! Yes I chuckled at that too, the whole room were waiting for her resignation and when that didn’t come they were dumbstruck and had no questions ready for anything else"
Don't think that was it tbh, it was too predictable - I think they were just trying to find anything she'd said that had any substance that they could get into. Kuennsberg's question was soft as they come of course but even she delivered it like she was talking to a child. "You do realise you're in government but not in power?" Really pretty surreal.
Rees Mogg wins no matter what. Don’t think that his mates in ‘business’ have been idle. They’ll be cleaning up with all the currency volatility and the inside track coming from the slimy little shit himself. If it was business, it would be insider trading, but as it is a whole nation’s politics it is ok.
I’d like ten minutes with JRM in a soundproof room to express my feeling in the most appropriate manner. No implements required, although my hands might just be bloody stumps by the end.
dannyh
Could we take it in turns "re-educating" mogg please?
Anyway.....
As a remainer going for a second referendum.... I think overall I want her to stay.
Please don't confuse that statement as me saying I like her..... I f** mate the b**!
I really enjoyed my 3 hours of hope today.
A huge weight was lifted.
Shame it's back now.
no questions ready for anything else”
There are no questions to be answered by her. The house need to read, digest and then vote. At this point May is now an observer...
they will vote for the shit deal because they are too afraid of no deal and oddly in the long term this shit deal might be worse.
Meanwhile the elephant in the room is still sat waving at everyone.
The best you can ever hope to deliver is so SO much worse than you’ve presently got. And you’re putting yourself through some existential hell so that you have the right to make your lives infinitely worse
Everyome in the world is presently laughing their tits off at this nation containing exactly 52% of utter ****wits
Binners - so once AGAIN Corbyn states his and the parties position on Brexit. Not that you would know this was the position, has been for months and is clearly stated from the mainstream media who are only interested in tory infighting and finding any stick they can to beat labour wit
Note that if they cannot get a GE its a second referendum as one of the options
The government is falling apart before our eyes. Their half-baked deal has unravelled, the Prime Minister has lost all authority and is clearly incapable of delivering a Brexit deal that commands even the support of her Cabinet – let alone Parliament and the people of our country.
Our Party Conference agreed that this deal would be judged against our six tests, and if it failed to meet them we would vote against it.
After two years of bungled negotiations, the government has produced a botched deal that breaches the Prime Minister’s own red lines, does not meet our six tests and will leave the country in an indefinite halfway house without a real say.
As I said in Parliament earlier today, people around the country will be feeling anxious about the industries they work in, the jobs they hold and the stability of this country.
We do not accept that the choice is between the government’s deal and ‘no deal’. We will work across Parliament to stop a ‘no deal’ outcome. Labour has set out our alternative plan for a sensible Brexit that would work for all of our nations and regions, bring Parliament and the country together, support jobs and our economy and guarantee rights, standards and protections.
If Parliament votes down this shambolic Tory deal — as seems likely — this will represent a loss of confidence in the government. In those circumstances the best outcome for the country is an immediate General Election that can sweep the Tories from power and deliver the Labour government this country desperately needs.
If we cannot get a General Election, in line with our conference policy, we will support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote.
We are ready to lead, ready to deliver a sensible deal that works for all our regions and nations and ready to build a Britain that works for the many, not the few.
Jeremy Corbyn
Leader of the Labour Party
Corbyn will be just as FUBAR as May is if he magically got into the driving seat.
He's turned fence sitting into a competitive sport..
Yet again confirming that labour policy is to ram through the red unicorn brexit if they win a GE.
thecaptain - can you read? that is not labour policy nor what he says or has said.
Yet again confirming that labour policy is to ram through the red unicorn brexit if they win a GE.
Labour and many others seem to think that because we change something in our government the rest of the world will bend and wait
this is the deal negotiated. They all watched it happen now it’s too late to start again. The EU have other things to do than deal with petulance
TJ - which Brexit vision does Corbyn/Labour Party have - all of the four freedoms or none of them?
Thing is folks doing some troll work on other less enlightened forums ihave established the following - there are really just two types of rabid Brexiteers
Type 1. Jacob Rees Moog, Arron Banks - well healed no amount of chaos can ever touch there world but chaos brings profit. They like being in charge.
Type 2. Working poor, not well educated with limited skills that are not transportable and easily undercut, they dont care about the cliff edge they dont believe they will be any worse off. They think they used to be in charge but now all them foreigners have taken over.
This not a gross generalisation. Neither of the above give a * about integrated supply chains or transportable skills, they dont want to be educated and travel more - they want enough money to sit in the pub from friday to sunday, bet on the horses and not have to look at brown people.
Type 2 create no wealth, jobs or opportunities for others - they simply "take" wealth created by others and here is the rub Type 1 are exactly the same.
Its a uncomfortable reality and one i personally have trouble coming to terms with, this is why they dont see through the shysters because they aspire to be shysters in there own little world.
We are irreparably split, nothing will fix this - the fight now is to start and get control back from these horrible *s and get both types suppressed.
It may be that a really shit hard brexit can get type 2 under control and a major economic recession give type 1 a kicking.
The fight starts here comrades, dont tolerate their shite, bait the gammons, question their "statistics" dont let casual racism/sexism occur - shout them down, point out uncomfortable facts and when it goes tits up (like now) rub their ****ing noses in it.
TJ, the labour policy is crystal clear and has been stated many times by starmer in particular. The people's vote is only an alternative goal if they can't have an election. If they win an election, their policy is to pursue brexit with no option for a new referendum.
I've not really paid attention to labours Brexit plan.
Can anyone tell me how they will achieve their 6 goals and have they been approved by the EU?
They won't, they can't. The 6 tests is a stick to beat the Tories with, not something they have a plan to pass themselves.
Make three wishes (twice) then clap your hands...
But isn't Labour policy a second ref, as per the conference? If they win a GE they'll have to do it, no?
Just reading Jezza’s email. It clear that he wants to force a GE, but on the back of that he’s offering support for a People’s Vote. The “all other options” thing is hot air - Jezza would be in exactly the same position as May with Brexit-lite and he knows it.
I did reply along the lines of “who dragged grandad away from the allotment at last?”.
The whole 6 tests thing is just a nice thing to say when you’re quite enjoying the adulation of half-wits who are so profoundly stupid that they can’t even recognise that what they want is the polar opposite of what you want. What you actually want is exactly the same as Arron Banks.
Corbyn supporting Momentum members are just a quaint, shit-thick, charming mirror image of the London racist Cabbie who think Nigel Farage ‘tells it how it is’
The end result is the same
Honestly, I thought that he was away on some sort of sabbatical or something.
Its a good job that we have an excellent, first rate opposition.
He was great today! Faced with an open goal he went at it with all the fire-filled vitriol and oratory of a local council health and safety inspector reading some local council planning regulations to a group of bored builders.
Which is pretty much his level. In fact, he may have to spend a bit of time working up to that
Corbyn supporting Momentum members are just a quaint, shit-thick, charming mirror image of the London racist Cabbie who think Nigel Farage ‘tells it how it is’
Good job you're doing your best to get rid of him, then.
Oh.
As I thought - nothing he can say or do will satisfy those who hate him
The captain - the policy is clear. GE and a soft as it can be brexit. or if he cannot get that a second referendum. He cannot say now "remain" as it would split the party wide open given the shameful pandering to the leavrs of around half his party, the rabid leavers in the party and those afraid to say what they want.. He must be mindful of the press attacks he will get. Yes he is still offering things that are unachievable but as a starting point for negotiations staying in a customs union is a far better starting point than the tories started from
Corbyn and labour have been consistent and clear from the start that this is the position they would start negotiations from. The need to protect the economy and jobs while respecting the result of the referendum means the softest of soft brexits. NOrway plus.
. Why people feel the need to keep on claiming he wants the hardest of hard brexists when he continually states the policy of the softest of soft brexits. When he campaigned for remain and spoke to far more people at far more public events than any other campaigner I do not know or understand. No one else onthe remain side campaigned as much as he did for remain.
Ransos - do grace all us deluded, vacuous slaves of the military industrial complex the no-doubt groundbreaking opinion of your beardy messiahs wisdom, or your own...
in your own time......
Maybe you need to set up a fair trade, multicultural, all-faith, woke commission that can report back in 20 years time or so...
when you’ve worked out if you the coffee machine in the common room should be soya-only milk
priorities comrade
As I thought – nothing he can say or do will satisfy those who hate him
Let's be honest, if a gurning war criminal and the template for Malcolm Tucker make you jizz your pants, then it's inevitable.
Maybe you need to set up a fair trade, multicultural, all-faith, woke commission that can report back in 20 years….
Hey, maybe you'll have joined the Labour party by then. Or perhaps you'll have found your natural home.
Type 2 create no wealth, jobs or opportunities for others – they simply “take” wealth created by others and here is the rub Type 1 are exactly the same.
I think you are a bit confused here. If type 2 are working poor then they aren't taking wealth from anyone. The wealth creators as you call them generally take the piss and only pay the minimum they can get away with to the people doing the work they get rich off the back of. These working poor are also the same people who keep schools (cleaners), hospitals (porters) and roads (labourers) open for other to use. They stock the shelfs in the stores you buy things from, deliver the products you order online and serve you food in restaurants.
Maybe a bit of understanding from people like yourself would have gone a long way to prevent the scenario we are in now.