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Once this goes tits up, I'm going to set up an Instagram account "brexitjerryoftheday" where I will be posting every instance of Brexiters or demographically likely to be Brexiters, crying about losing their jobs to BBC Breakfast etc.
It will be glorious.
I would put money on nothing actually happening in March and an extension to the deadline occurring. The 2 year A50 timing was just an arbitrary number and has never actually been used before.
Good job our MPs haven't written the date into UK law then, isn't it.
You assume the normal EU pragmatism still exists on "both sides", and clearly think our PM is bluffing, when she says that the exit date will not be moved, or that anyone that can replace her in her party would be willing to move the date.
You also haven't listened to recent proclamations form EU staff, and ministers of EU countries, saying that they now just want it done with, and are no longer prepared to let our internal arguments to continue to extend uncertainty on all sides indefinitely.
Tick. Tock.
What exactly are they doing except for acting in the interests of the EU?
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don't like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
Tick. Tock.
I will see you in March...
It's good to have philxx1975 on this thread (and the tory thread) to demonstrate the problems we have. That level of bitterness, hatred and ignorance is sadly very common.
nothing actually happening in March
Something has to happen…
- new government, willing to pass new law to change exit date
- a reason for ALL EU governments to agree to extension of our membership
- or we Leave
This isn't like normal negotiations, where the status quo can be maintained by setting a whole series of new deadlines. Something absolutely does have to happen in March.
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
I'm planning to do this funnily enough. I had the opportunity a few years back but, unfortunately, not anticipating Brexit, did not take it. Now i have to wait a few years to be eligible to drop my (soon to be useless) UK passport. The irritating thing is that Brexit may still take my right to work, right to remain, healthcare and pension before i can swap nationality, so i really hope mercy visa's become a thing.
If i have to return to the UK i might get stuck with stealing your jobs, lazing on benefit and selling drugs to school kids all at once to try an cover my losses 😀
philxx1975
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I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.</div>
curious why you would think that?
All the EU have said from day 1 is that we cant keep the benefits of membership after we leave
which seems pretty straight foprward
also, yopu do know that nissan, mitsubishi & renault part own each other & share factories & designs etc?
also I nelieve 2/3rds of nissans sunderland cars are exported, the majority into the EU
and one of the main reasons that they are made here is that within the SM & CU trade is about as frictionless as it can be
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living ,see if the nice Europeans will give you your mercy visa.
What good will picking a side do? Will it make things magically better as I can blame the EU for the UK's suicidal approach to this?
It's basically exactly what was predicted but Brexiteers told us it would all be fine and the EU would give up on it's principles to accommodate us.
It’s good to have philxx1975 on this thread (and the tory thread) to demonstrate the problems we have. That level of bitterness, hatred and ignorance is sadly very common.
As opposed to stamping your feet because it's not what you want to hear ....diddums
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off to where you fancy living
I am where I fancy living and I want it to remain in the EU. Having said that if I win the lottery this weekend I'll forget about lack of capital and language skills and sod off to Europe or Scandinavia anyway before the xenophobes start building the wall.
also I nelieve 2/3rds of nissans sunderland cars are exported, the majority into the EU
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Nissan do indeed .They designed UK specific models of their cars also , so that should save them a headache in the future and a few quid.</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it's so bad then go live in Europe where it's great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn't fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that's making the best of what you might consider a bad job.</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">You could counter that with if we had voted to remain then the other half should also have the same said, if you want to leave Europe then go live in Mexico, </span>
But no in the usual British way instead of getting on with it you now have two tribes ****ing it up for everyone
As opposed to stamping your feet because it’s not what you want to hear ….diddums
Proving my point exactly.
Exactly that mike and I have no complaints but FFS pick a side and if you don’t like it **** off
What would this picking a side mean?
<span style=”font-size: 0.8rem;”>Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn’t fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that’s making the best of what you might consider a bad job.</span>
No one is, we simply want to hold them to account knackering the process for us.
Why should we make life easy for leavers?
As if I have any social contract with leavers.
Having said that if I win the lottery this weekend I’ll forget about lack of capital and language skills and sod off to Europe or Scandinavia anyway before the xenophobes start building the wall.
Give over if you had the money, you sound like a proper remoaner if it's not what I want blah blah democratic blah blah when it suits blah blah MTFU and crack on is what you need to do, it's happening get over it.
Add poor to slowoldman then.
Very much considering putting my spare time into learning Swedish, to help me get a company transfer to the Nordics. Stay 5 years and get residency.
French would be easier tbh but I'd prefer the Nordics.
Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great.
We already live in europe and yes it is great.
But no in the usual British way instead of getting on with it you now have two tribes **** it up for everyone
There's only one tribe trying to **** it up for everyone, and one trying to prevent the **** up.
Also, Phil, I don't give two shits if my actions or the actions of remainerrs end up spoiling the prospects of some leavers.
Karma and an eye for an eye , lack of social contract with leavers etc etc.
I'll be voting out of pure spite for whichever party ****s up the Brexit heartlands the most.
Hilariously, that will probably be Tory.
French would be easier tbh but I’d prefer the Nordics.
Scottish would be even easier.
so that should save them a headache in the future and a few quid
if they didnt have to import most parts from within the eu, with extra costs &* red tape thanksto brexit, then it would
what it does mean is higher prices for uk consumers, but hey, blue passports!
unless of course you do think that the eu should let us keep benefits after we leave?
So phil just out of idle curiosity what is it "we need to get on with" whats the cunning economic plan to improve the wealth of our average UK family?
Let me guess you/they dont have one....
Let me guess its empty words...
Let me guess its wealth reduction...
Let me guess we have **** all to sell that can be made by a semi/unskilled workforce at sufficient margin to make sense...
Let me guess we are going to train and educate the masses to develop AI software and Robotics supported by nano technology industries....
So lets get on with it...
Hang on no "you" can get on with it - your shout your ball.
stamping your feet
lol
**** off to where you fancy living
I see what you mean.
Mike I keep coming back to the argument if it’s so bad then go live in Europe where it’s great. Stop knackering the process for those that want to leave and crack on with your own plans life isn’t fair get over it. You still have a choice even if that’s making the best of what you might consider a bad job
LOL PMSL etc etc a process, how is that going? How am I getting in the way of this?
if they didnt have to import most parts from within the eu, with extra costs &* red tape thanksto brexit, then it would
what it does mean is higher prices for uk consumers, but hey, blue passports!
unless of course you do think that the eu should let us keep benefits after we leave?
Its a Nissan hardly the end of the world is it?
Vote with your feet.
Vote with your feet.
What by stomping them and telling us how it's all so unfair and it's everybody else to blame that it's not all going as awesomely as people hoped and prayed it would be.
Financial Times has reported
Mrs May is said to be working on a scenario for “the whole UK to participate in a customs union with the EU” if no other answer for the Irish border is found.
This could see the UK stay in a customs union until another trade deal is finalised, the Financial Times reported.
Well we all know what comes with 'the' or 'a' customs union... seriously, what a carry on.
Let me guess...
Two World Wars and one World Cup,Lalalalala.
Any chance of maybe a high level post brexit economic plan from your good self?
Or is blind faith in the messiah (Jacob Rees Mogg)
Build it and they will come maybe?
Polite request by the way.
Wonder how the Nissan Factory workers feel about "its just a Nissan" maybe its just a few (thousand) jobs.
Scottish would be even easier.
Outwith adapting to the fud the language would be needing learnt.
Scottish would be even easier.
If Scotland split and joined the EU I'd be joining the traffic jam on the M6 coming to put your house prices up.
Phil the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
Seems stange that if nobody in Europe wants Japanese cars then that the report you quote says that acces to the European market is one of the reasons for Japanese companies investing in the UK
“These investors were attracted to the UK by… access to the European market…”
Well they currently aren't Japanese car's... they are made in EU cars on 2 levels...
1) We screw em together in the UK
2) The component parts to screw together come mainly from across Europe...
Phil has a plan… he wants our biggest export market to suffer financially, and he doesn't care if there is a knock on effect on UK based workers. He also wants us all to move out of the country, taking our productivity and tax contributions with us.
Scottish easier Scotroutes? I have been here 30 years and still cannae speak the language 😉
Phil the reason Brexiteers dont last long in this thread is because they dont offer any vision or plans.
That's not entirely fair... they offer both ..
Plan - > Exit EU
Vision -> See what falls in our laps
Picture this..
A meeting berween an Investment Bank and a new startup www.brexiteer.com
IB so whats the business proposition?
B well we are going to attack the worlds emerging markets.
IB with what?
B not sure at the moment but we just need to get on with it.
IB how much investment is required?
B we really need an unlimted line of credit
IB when do you forecast a profit?
B well maybe 50 years.
IB what collateral do you have?
B the united kingdom and all its people
IB anything else you want
B yes £350m a week to help fund a not for profit organisation
IB **** off
And that Brexiteers is the real world.
Vote with your feet.
Like many of the elite in charge of brexit are doing?
How many people do you want left in this glorious post brexit UK?
I am going to try to get dutch residency before brexit day. I have family there and getting them to employ me seems a good idea. If I am in the netherlands employed there before brexit day I have a better chance of keeping my movement rights. Slim chance but better than none.
My sister is going to have to give up her UK citizenship and get a dutch passport to protect her position.
Unless it really looks like scotland will become independent and stay in the EU which of course is the best option.
Oh dear, Phil!
Firstly, how is bellyaching about anything (justifiably or not) on an internet forum actually affecting anything in the real world?
Answer, it isn't. You're just realising that you are struggling to reconcile your own prejudices and attitudes and the result that that kind of sentiment is actually going to have. You just don't like that feeling of utter powerlessness and are lashing out in a futile attempt to sluice off a bit of frustration to make yourself feel a little bit better. Boo hoo.
Secondly. What exactly is it you want me to get behind? I am firmly a remainer and have zero respect for the result. However, I don't want to watch the UK turn (even more) into an outsourced McCountry full of zero hours zombies and a few massively rich patrons. So, what is the plan dude? What is the plan that is going to achieve Brexit and make our lives BETTER (or at least remain the same)? If you can tell me, I'm on board. But you can't because even the softest BRINO is going to damage the economy and make the vast majority of our lives poorer. So, when the answer is so obvious (beg for mercy and either cancel A50 or beg to rejoin at 00:01 on 30th March next year), why would I 'help'? And in any case, no one can say what I can do to 'help'.
Put a sensible and non-damaging Brexit plan forwards and I'm with you, Phil.
Phil has a plan… he wants our biggest export market to suffer financially, and he doesn’t care if there is a knock on effect on UK based workers. He also wants us all to move out of the country, taking our productivity and tax contributions with us.
Entirely wrong I don't actually and get that part I DONT actually give a toss what YOU do , it won't affect me or have a knock on effect what you decide to do and that's the part your not getting. As I said yesterday your part of the problem and won't mobilise anything to do anything than lament the downfall on here.
In fact that was too harsh , you probably voted and lost then decide to sign a petition about how it's so wrong.
your part of the problem
What about my part of the problem?
Or did you mean "you're part of the problem"?
What is this 'problem', though? As I've stated, I'm willing to be proved wrong if Brexit turns out to be great and I've volunteered to 'help' if someone can tell me what to get behind and how it will ensure Brexit has a neutral or positive effect on the UK.
Give me something to get behind and I'm there.