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OK OK OK, but apart from the catering professionals, Spanish nurses, archaeologists, hospitality staff, car factories, bioscientists and fruit pickers…
dont forget teachers , last year 17% of newly qualified teachers were from the EU (nice stat for the bigots complaining about immigrants ruining schools)
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/31/brexit-threat-to-teachers-from-eu
this year teacher numbers have actually fallen, while pupil numbers increase
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44648438
Bankers still need food, energy, medicine, transport and not having their buildings set on fire by protesters (as they will be a convenient target once the immigrants have gone and Tesco is empty)
Yeah, but there's plenty of food in Frankfurt 🙂
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would have to remain in both CU and the SM.
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would need a magic money tree like Norway has.
A letter of no confidence in The Maybot has just been delivered to the 1922 committee. She is about to deliver her conference speech...
what has the EU ever done for us?
"Brought peace"?
A letter of no confidence in The Maybot has just been delivered to the 1922 committee. She is about to deliver her conference speech…
Hahahah
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit and that senior management on the ground don’t really seem to be planning for contingencies a, b, c and d they’re just waiting for any agreement details to come to light before deciding what to plan for, that will be way too late though.
Money innit. I know of some stuff that's been done but only by the people who don't need to do much so they were able to budget for it.
Plaid leader calling for 2nd ref now. Not much, but it could be another 4 votes, and it could be close.
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit
Imagine being the PM costing the manpower and cash costs. Errr we need to update our system but we don’t know what they will need to do or when they need to be ready by....
you could of course go worst case but in my experience this never goes down well in the meetings as people don’t like bad news or often reality
Imagine being the PM costing the manpower and cash costs. Errr we need to update our system but we don’t know what they will need to do or when they need to be ready by….
you could of course go worst case but in my experience this never goes down well in the meetings as people don’t like bad news or often reality
Erm perhaps that's because worse case scenario is we don't need IT systems... I'd imagine the systems to cope with exports from Dover for example might just be a part time guy with a pen and paper ....
I’d imagine the systems to cope with exports from Dover for example might just be a part time guy with a pen and paper ….
exports can be quite complicated due to various tax and duty reliefs and refunds that rely on proof of export being lodged
Brexit helping to crush science in the UK,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317#comment_131999789
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would need a magic money tree like Norway has.
Funnily enough, we had one just the same. But Norway spent the fruits of their tree on infrastructure and a sovereign wealth fund, whereas we used them to give people tax cuts.
Theresa May:
”To those of us who respect the referendum result.......”
Well, that’s me out, then.
Also gotta love the way Maybot has just announced the end of austerity. Like just saying it will make all the issues that brutal cuts to public services have caused for people go away.
Arrogant, uncaring, insular, petty minded, i’m alright Jack muppetry. And she is still seen in some moderate quarters as the best option because she’s not that **** Johnson or that **** Rees Mogg.
How did we ever end up with this shit shower in charge?
Because people are thick, uneducated, racist, self serving, little Englanders that want £40k for driving a forklift.
Simple....
But they will get well and truly ****ed by the JRMs.
Its called Kharma and it always catchs up.
So the japanese are pissed off, they might now have to compete directly in Europe?
I wonder what the ratio of Japanese car sales compared to German brands are or the PSA group.
So. People’s Vote, second referendum, Ref2... whatever. Seems to be a growing swell of support for the concept. Pie in the sky? Too little too late? Scare tactics to force a deal? Whadaya reckon? I think it’s possible, and whilst I hear the concerns about a leave backlash, I think that the masses of people who weren’t that bothered last time ARE bothered now, and they mostly fall on the ‘WTF are we doing to ourselves?’ side of the fence. I can’t help but thing Remain would walk it this time, which makes me think that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen. Thoughts?
Mickmcd - I suspect it’s more to do with
a) us no longer having a free trade arrangement with the EU (and even if we do negotiate a deal it won’t be as good because by definition it can’t be) and
b) they now have (unlike us) a free trade agreement with the rest of the EU and
c) they don’t have a free trade agreement with us.
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1891
I think that the masses of people who weren’t that bothered last time ARE bothered now, and they mostly fall on the ‘WTF are we doing to ourselves?
I think most people are worrying about selfies and X factor and don't actually pay any attention. Its why there should never have been a ref in the first place.
I think most people are worrying about
What is the basis for that....
Here's why the Japs are shitting themselves
do you think the Europeans who make oodles more cars are going to buy a Japanese car, not a bloody chance.
do you think the Europeans who make oodles more cars are going to buy a Japanese car, not a bloody chance.
Seems stange that if nobody in Europe wants Japanese cars then that the report you quote says that acces to the European market is one of the reasons for Japanese companies investing in the UK
“These investors were attracted to the UK by... access to the European market...”
I can’t help but thing Remain would walk it this time, which makes me think that it wouldn’t be allowed to happen. Thoughts?
But you forget that most MPs were also remain. They've been forced to go against their personal viewpoint because of their constituencies or parties. And now we've got a party whose remainer membership has forced its policy (properly and democratically); the other party's leadership is weaker than ever and it's looking like alienating its coalition partner. Any cohesion in the political establishment we might've had is crumbling rapidly.
And now we’ve got a party whose remainer membership has forced its policy
I hope you're not talking about labour, where pro brexiteers in the leadership outflanked any real remain policy by promising that if bananas turn brown under a blood moon and an owl flys backward at midnight, then maybe just maybe they might consider other courses of action.
Give over
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">And the fact that 40 percent of their European sales are made here in the UK , is a strong reason to punt your crap here the Europeans will be as protectionist as they can be without appearing to be when VAG and BMW start throwing a strop.</span>
Nissan were already courting plans to shut facilities based upon stopping diesel car production.
Buy British unless it's a Jag are your options and non of you lot can afford a McLaren.
phil, if you're trying make a point, you might have to make it a bit clearer....
When this all goes tits up, everything gets really expensive and only the rich can afford to drive will the roads be really quiet so we can all ride our bicycles everywhere without fear of being smeared into pink paste?
Japan just signed free trade deals with EU for cars.
They don't need UK anymore to access the EU Market.
People in the UK will still buy cars from the EU and Japan. What else can they buy ?
So May is now apparently seeking an "All-UK" customs union, I assume this means that we will be controlling our borders in name only - but will get shafted when it comes to our own ability to work in Europe, as partly suggested by this article?
https://www.ft.com/content/389cd4bc-18ab-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44
Well, she mentioned "frictionless trade" quite often in her speech. Anyway, this is another Corbyn&Co policy being lifted and tried out in the media, no? Labour allowed her to accept the idea of a transition period, when many in her party were against it (she just rebranded it as an "implementation period"), and now she's moving towards the Labour leadership's "a customs union" fudge… but under another name…
Oh, a handy reminder that "Labour don't need a clear policy, they're not in power" is as bogus as regards Brexit as it would be about anything else. The ruling party never operates in a policy vacuum (unless others parties allow it to). Any half decent outcome from this mess is totally reliant on the "opposition", they can, and should, move the country either towards a Brexit deal that makes sense, or offer the country a way out. They could argue that they are, with baby steps, but…
Tick. Tock.
I never voted to leave or stay but I'm watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Nice.
Well "Europeans" will still be able to work in 30 different countries, without jumping through visa requirements.
"Europeans" will have one (important) new country to avoid sourcing "just in time" components from, we'll have 30.
Most "Europeans" will still have 27+ countries they can export to, without the hassle of paying VAT etc at borders.
"Europeans" will be able to marry other "Europeans", and have their family in the same country as them, without having to earn twice the average wage to gain that right.
"Europeans" will be able to drive all over Europe, without paying, and waiting for, new documentation and insurance.
"Europeans" will be able to retrieve medical attention in neighbouring countries… etc, etc…
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Why? They are simply applying the rules of their club, that we chose to leave.
Anyway, lolling at people I know who tried to claim this wasn't about immigration but thems EU bureaucrats who have actually made their working rights worse. Now you are going to have to follow their rules and not have a say!
I hope it really goes tits up to be honest, some brexiters I know are visiting Scotland for the first time in years this week. I told them that it's best to go now, as they might need a visa in future. The response was "but Scotland is part of the UK"! It hadn't occurred to them that their great patriotic struggle against the repressive EU may end up in them needing a Visa to visit relatives in their own ****ing country, when Scotland decides to leave!
Cretins.
when VAG and BMW start throwing a strop
#TheGermanCarIndustryWillSaveUs
same shit different day.
I hope...
Your hopes are already dashed. The general feeling is that Europe would have us stay but doesn’t want an interminable period of watching the party of power (whichever that may be) squabbling with itself over how to please xenophobes without any supporting evidence for that objective. Federalists would rather see the back of the U.K. in the long term.
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
What exactly are they doing except for acting in the interests of the EU?
Can you blame them for doing that?
Ace. I'm burning my house down in the hope your shed also catches fire.
Tick. Tock.
Not really. It is just a deadline that will be missed just like most other deadlines the EU misses. I would put money on nothing actually happening in March and an extension to the deadline occurring. The 2 year A50 timing was just an arbitrary number and has never actually been used before.
Calm down Phil, us European dont give a monkey about Brexit.
You are still going to buy wine, cheese cars etc...
It is going to cost you more for sure. Sadly you are obsessed with money and profitability and you have let go of your basic industries and now you are going to pay the price for it.
Ace. I’m burning my house down in the hope your shed also catches fire.
More like, burning some waste paper in a bin in your garden, in the hope that it burns down your shouty alcoholic mentally disturbed asbo neighbours house down.
I never voted to leave or stay but I’m watching the Europeans and thinking **** you Europeans I hope it costs you as much as it does us.
Yeah!....stick it to them philxx1975...that's the british way......
Here....have a lollipop to fill the void
