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France too, is recruiting 100s of new customs officers & Calais port authority have bought up extra land for lorry checks.

EMA vote loss is a conundrum for May, legally bound now to stay in an association only open to EU or EEA members & overseen by ECJ.

Mogglodytes amending Vat collection position from chequers, changes substance so Bercow will now refer it to Lords, where it will get pummeled.

Of course tory mps probably wilt again when it comes back.

Ultimately if we crash out with no deal Mogg & ERG will be squarely to blame, which will provide some schadenfreude amid the shitshow


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 10:55 am
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In Boris's head he's imagining his speech will something that will go down in history, upstaging the Geoffrey Howe speech that brought down Thatcher

In reality it'll just be the usual, needlessly verbose, self-serving verbal diarrhoea that always streams out of his gob

****!!!


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 10:56 am
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LyingBloHard resignation?

Dont give me hope.

So, that leaves his two years as a Business Analyst for the Government no closer to any deals or proposals for trade with countries outside of the EU?

That man out to be brought before the stocks and pelted with shit, never mind rotten fruit.

Go ****ing riddance if this story is true.

He can go sod off to his brothers massively profitable Investment Bank and create all sorts of chaos with private money for a change.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 10:57 am
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https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-resignation-speech-could-signal-another-leadership-bid-11440292

If the Cowardly Lion really wants to own this mess, why not let him?

I'm guessing it's still 'not the right time' for him to be our glorious leader. 🙂


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 10:58 am
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/18/dairy-products-may-become-luxuries-after-uk-leaves-eu

Wahoo, wartime rationing next - just as British food and produce was starting to pick itself up from the decades df post wartime shitty processed food and lose it's reputation as europes shittiest countrty for food.

Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:04 am
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While I'd love to see Boris launch yet another leadership bid, as he'd lose it by a mile, find out how despised he actually is with the Parties MP's who'd decide it, while probably destroying the Tory party in the process, this really isn't the time. I can't imagine you could possibly pick a more destructive time to have one

Not that that, or any other consideration, would ever enter the narcissistic ****s head!

He really is just a pathetic bargain basement Trump


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:14 am
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Maybe it's going to be a humble apology for the illegal spending when he was part of the Leave campaign?? LOL.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:14 am
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Ultimately if we crash out with no deal Mogg & ERG will be squarely to blame, which will provide some schadenfreude amid the shitshow

Only if they get held accountable. My money would be on them using the situation to profit from though. Its part of why they are being the string pullers at a distance rather than actually being in a position where they can be held truly accountable.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:18 am
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Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.

Wow.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:34 am
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Logic and reason went out of the window a long time ago.

The campaign of misinformation has continued.

This links heavily to a fake news site politicaluk.com


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 11:38 am
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Why edited, HH? Link not as you thought, or have they got to you too?


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:00 pm
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Consensus here at Slow Towers is that MPs should sit with their fingers in their ears yelling "la, la, la".


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:22 pm
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https://iea.org.uk/publications/freedom-to-flourish/

This is the thinktank that is influencing the leading brexiteers - they want to cut things like the working time directive, REACH chemical regulations, GMO labelling etc.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:26 pm
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More about the shady and opaque IEA...

Dark money lurks at the heart of our political crisis


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:29 pm
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If BloHard resigns doesn’t that lead to a by election in his constituency??


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:36 pm
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Binners - is there some kind of IEA watch or counter think tank?

https://iea.org.uk/?s=&fwp_paged=3

The amount of complete horseshit that the are churning out is really quite outstanding, these contributors need to be singled out, kept an eye on and refuted with the same or a greater level of cohesion than they are showing.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:40 pm
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It's his resignation as Foreign Sec I believe.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:41 pm
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He's not going to resign as an MP. He's going to torpedo May so he gets a shot at the leadership, like the self-serving mop that he is

Shall we play Boris Bullshit Bingo?

I'm going with

1. Brexit Betrayal (5 times)

2. Will of the People (4 times, minimum)


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 12:49 pm
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3. Global Britain


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:05 pm
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4. Halcyon Days

5. take our place on the world stage


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:18 pm
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Lions roaring.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:20 pm
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6. Weak and wobbly

7. Capitulation

8. Taking back control

9. In office but not in power - sorry, now I'm just reminiscing!

Last one has been used already in PMQs

Five rebels away from a general election...Tick tock...


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:22 pm
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Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.

Yeah... care to explain that one?


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:24 pm
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10. Empire

11. Churchill

12. White cliffs of Dover

13. We'll meet again

14. 1966

15. 1945

16. Fudge


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:24 pm
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also shockingly a DUP MP has been caught up in a corruption scandal (I know can heradly believe it myself)

Ian Paisly banned from HOC for 30 days for ilegally taking bribes from sri lankan government (I gues Liam fox wasnt available)

So May is 1 vote down for crucial brexit votes after the summer


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:28 pm
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17. Honorable Thing

18. For the People to decide

19. Back the PM (wildcard entry there)

The self serving child will have some way to go to beat the Donald here but I reckon hi might have a go.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:33 pm
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20. If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it. My fight begins today. Thank you and good afternoon.


 
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Yeah… care to explain that one?

The middle class ones will still be able to afford it and were more pro-union, or could at least afford not to care if they weren't.

Also, I'm an arsehole. I guess a bit of soft eugenics would help stop us getting into these messes in the first place.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 1:36 pm
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Also, I’m an arsehole. I guess a bit of soft eugenics would help stop us getting into these messes in the first place.

Education and accurate information rather that innuendo and blatant lies might help too.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:12 pm
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You need to be clever or educated enough to recognise lies, propaganda and misinformation in the first place. Unfortunately, the part of the population that isn't clever enough to work it out for themselves - also shows complete contempt for the value of the "liberal elite" teachers and education services - the product of the Pink Floyd "Another Brick in the Wall" generation of cockwombles.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:14 pm
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He really is just a pathetic bargain basement Trump

Trump is the bargain basement, Boris is more Poundland!


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:17 pm
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a bit like most governments for the past 30 years, from what i can tell.

x post: my comment WRT contempt for teachers and education.


 
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a bit like most governments for the past 30 years, from what i can tell.
x post: my comment WRT contempt for teachers and education.

People get the government they deserve, everyone's happy to round on teachers and education - whilst the upper-middle classes don't feel as though they have any skin in the game as the kids go to private.

So who gives a ****!! Whilst the working classes don't care about state education out of ignorance and some kind of collective depression, the upper-middle classes and upper classes don't care either! So that leaves all the lower-middle class people, who are then split between lefties and aspirational tory voters who also hate the state education system.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:25 pm
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How utterly bizarre, and apparently ignorant of the facts, were the results of last nights Commons vote?

So, we 'must' now remain part of the EMA? Hooray!

Well, no. EMA means EFTA/EEA, which means four freedoms.

So, when it comes down to it, membership of the EMA will be sacrificed as an unworkable 'nice to have'.

I still don't see any realistic alternative to a no-deal Brexit.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:41 pm
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People get the government they deserve

Totally agree. I've pretty much had enough of people complaining how shit things are only for them to keep voting for tory governments and things like brexit. Many of us who are fortunate enough to be insulated from any economic shocks will not have much sympathy when those at the bottom start howling about their jobs disappearing and their cheap goods getting more expensive. There's long been a connection between the liberal middle classes and the working class in that many in the middle classes started with nothing and worked their way up. They were more than happy to contribute to help others do the same but I fear brexit may have broken that understanding. The result will be further class division and entrenchment, and ultimately greater suffering for those at the bottom.

The working classes don’t care about state education

Not sure on that. Back when I was a kid it was drilled into me that doing well at school was the only chance I had of doing well in later life. Trouble is now that's no longer the case, you can do well, get a degree, and still have a high chance of being in a minimum wage job.


 
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I grew up in a rural east midlands area DazH, in the comp that I went to - no one gave a shit and the parents didn't give a shit either - kids who worked hard were openly bullied by the 90 percent who didn't care.

My parents experience of teaching in state also heavily contrasted with their experiences of teaching in private schools, sure there were snotty parents who would sometimes complain in the latter, but complaints made at state schools were invariably because a parent was upset that their badly behaving and abusive child was reprimanded.

Not sure on that. Back when I was a kid it was drilled into me that doing well at school was the only chance I had of doing well in later life. Trouble is now that’s no longer the case, you can do well, get a degree, and still have a high chance of being in a minimum wage job.

Only if you go and study English or another bullshit degree - there's a huge shortage of Computer Science and STEM graduates who can earn a **** tonne in the tech and financial world. You don't even need that brilliant of a degree to earn good money off the bat in tech. A mate of mine graduated with a 2:2 in CS from a middling university and ended up on 40k in London within 6 months of leaving uni.

Just don't be an idiot when picking your degree - English and History is for rich kids unless you get into Oxbridge.

Personally, I think we should be sending our state kids on 1 year educational exchanges with the ****ing Peoples Republic of China to drill what kind of world we are now living in, into them.


 
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Depending on your outlook you might want different things following the Boris “speech”

if you want a head Brexit and disarray you most likely want May to turn round and say nuts to the lot of you I’m out... there would be no time for a real negotiation and the Tory’s would be in war.

If you want a softer transition having someone at the front less crazy and seemingly willing to take the crap and be a scapegoat you probably want her to stay

If there is a GE it would be an odd campaign as no one wants the victory. Can you imagine the self sabotage and the debates 😀


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 2:53 pm
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The middle class ones will still be able to afford it and were more pro-union, or could at least afford not to care if they weren’t.

Gotcha, I shall retract my neck, thought you were having a go at folk who use formula 😉


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 3:01 pm
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Can anyone see the UK leaving the EU with any kind of deal? Every day it seems another obstacle appears and thwarts Mays Brexit plan. The rest of the world must be looking at the UK and thinking "What on earth are you lot playing at."

I truly despair!


 
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How utterly bizarre, and apparently ignorant of the facts, were the results of last nights Commons vote?

As exemplified by

1. Patten Amendment from EU Withdrawal Bill, means -

Illegal to bring about changes to Irish border which “feature physical infrastructure including border posts or checks and controls” or any lessening of cooperation “provided for by Belfast Agreement”

And

2. The Mogg/DUP Amendment to Customs Bill

Makes it unlawful for Government to allow N Ireland to be part of separate customs territory to Great Britain, as suggested in EU draft backstop agreement - no customs border in Irish Sea

As as I read it the first one says there cannot be border controls- physical or electronic.  The second one says that NI cannot be a special area with a border in the sea.

So bye bye WTO and magic customs agreement? It’s like retards spamming keys and screaming at each other. All I can hope for is that the HoL actually read it point out all the contradictory parts and send it back down


 
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Nope. We are going to crash out. See Cornholios post above, that is truly dire.

Stock up on canned and dried foods and buy a crossbow people.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 3:04 pm
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Sanity will prevail and it will get cancelled. Though the EU may extract a heavy price for that.


 
Posted : 18/07/2018 3:20 pm
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What happens on the morning of a No Deal?

Is there anyway the country won't grind to a halt and a financial crash?

Will flights start to be withdrawn before we leave?

Do we put troops on the NI border?

Will there be troops on the mainland?

Weve seen what an inch of snow can do to this country.

Things could properly kick off if there's even a hint that the supermarkets are out of food.

I think certain people will be in hiding on the glorious day of freedom.


 
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Sanity will prevail and it will get cancelled. Though the EU may extract a heavy price for that.

Agree.  The EU wouldn't let it happen just to teach us a lesson.  It may be the time when a lot of people realise the EU are not as bad as they thought when they stop the country from harming itself.  Most probably won't notice it and just keep asking when the dirty foreigners are being kicked out of the country..


 
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