Or at least picked one before triggering A50.
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Should we not have discussed a wide range of options with the EU and then voted in a referendum on the best one or two versus staying in?
That sounds very sensible.
Burn the heretic.
Should we not have discussed a wide range of options with the EU
We did. Unfortunately they mostly involved unicorns and cake.
Labour backing union amendment with result about 6.30. Looks close.
If the bill is defeated/not approved does this mean it gets kicked back and re drafted for another vote?
Then it gets voted on later/next week if parliament is still in session? What if it is rejected and then the parliament rise? Would there then be no mandate for any negotiations until September?
This is the Commons not the Lords. If it wins, it become law.
(I'm quite happy for someone who understands it better to correct me).
As I understand it this is the mandate/position for the negotiations.
Ok, if it is approved it is law. What happens if it is rejected?
Actually after more reading it seems it will either be amended or accepted with each section/ amendment voted on
so either way something will come out today
Interesting line of commentary on Radio 4 PM this evening.
There are clear majorities in the Commons against various options but no clear majority in favour of any particular option. This raises the possibility that Parliament will simply not be able to agree a Brexit plan leaving the only option as putting the matter to the people in another referendum.
Reporter commenting that a second referendum now more likely than ever before in the face of a Parliament that simply cannot agree on how the UK is to leave the EU.
Oh the delicious irony of JRM forcing a second referendum through his wrecking tactics
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But there's no guarantee that 'remain as we are in the EU' will be on the ballot. It'll be a choice between a s**t deal, or no deal. And the Brexiteers seem to want 'no deal'.
New clause on remaining in the EU medicines agency has been approved by parliament
Anna Sourby was bang on in her rant at them yesterday, and I’m sure vocalised what a lot of us think of them.
Soubry has generally voted against EU membership and other related issues. I don't get her vocal attitude towards it all because it's not in keeping with he record in Parliament.
Generally.
"There are clear majorities in the Commons against various options but no clear majority in favour of any particular option. This raises the possibility that Parliament will simply not be able to agree a Brexit plan"
Yup. And what's quite interesting is that the brexiteers chief strategy- that the vote to leave is 100% a vote for exactly whatever precise brexit that particular brexiteer wants- actually makes it harder for them to compromise on anything.
Bugger! Lost the amendment 🙁
Gutless mp's. Roll over to the nutters, but fight as much as possible against a sensible option
If the customs union amendment had gone through all anyone needed to do was felt until jan then it was a customs union.
it does not eliminate it from the options but it does make it more likely to be more of an 11th hour type thing. IMO
Apparently 4 Labour MPs voted with the government. Wonder who they were?
At a guess Hoey & Field will be 2 of them
Soubry has generally voted against EU membership and other related issues. I don’t get her vocal attitude towards it all because it’s not in keeping with he record in Parliament.
Generally.
You can vote against something, but when faced with an even worse option....
Looks like a few brexiteers are coming out and saying they want nothing to do with what is happening.
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ouch, looks like the tories left no dirty trick unplayed
https://twitter.com/thomasbrake/status/1019305314032726017
Vince Cable & Tim Fallon missed the vote too !
Vince Cable & Tim Fallon missed the vote too !
Wasnt that yesterdays or are they even more ****ing useless than expected?
The Maybot really is showing her true colours. I would complain to my MP but he is a ****ing dishonest shitebag of the finest tory kind.
was it yesterday, sorry, came up on a feed saying today
Hmmm Brandon. Just as Vote Leave is referred to the police for breaking the rules, you break a gentleman’s agreement.
It’s almost like you’re trying to establish a pattern of behaviour...
I have decided that i shall hunt this ****er down and have a chat..........
Spineless little ****....
So, our parliament currently ratifies trade deals…
Our parliament just voted against ratifying future trade deals…
#democracy
https://twitter.com/jim_cornelius/status/1019332418044604417
Take back control is the slogan that will make the uk gag for decades to come…
big relief for pharma, but EMA is subject to ECJ, isnt that a red line or sumfink?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1019345136055136256
ouch, looks like the tories left no dirty trick unplayed
https://twitter.com/stevepeers/status/1019332554837643265
Anna Soubry;
I have NO doubt, Jacob Rees Mogg is running our country.
Blimey.
She absolutely lashed him on R4 just now. Sounded a touch unhappy.
Not really helped by the media. You would sometime think that Rees Mogg was the only MP they could talk to and gets a disproportionate amount of air time. Just as Farage did pre-referendum and he wasn't even an MP.
Wonder why that could be ?
Largely because he’s the elected leader and spokesperson for the eurosceptic wing of the party (The ERG)?
If only "no deal" meant we stay in the EU. JRM et al cant lose as it is.
Perhaps all these euro skeptics could get together and form a party of their own.... Maybe then they could agree what they want.
Shame on Brandon Lewis, truly shocking.
Darren Grimes. Just another nasty little incel revelling in the squalid far right circle jerk. A lot of the recent nonsense with trump and brexit can be attributed to bitter little men who can't get their leg over.
Interesting interview with a Dutch MEP on Radio 4, who was quite diplomatic despite no doubt looking on at this with complete incredulity
He pointed out that while all this nonsense is going on here, the Dutch have recruited and trained over 1000 new customs officers in anticipation of the upcoming carnage.
Does anyone think that such practicalities have even entered the vacuous moronic heads of the Brexiteer hardliners? Of course it bloody hasn't! They don't have any answers or solutions. They're just wreckers!
His use of language was also interesting. He pointed out that in Brussels they don't recognise the phrase 'Hard Brexit'. They instead refer to it by a more accurate name... 'Chaotic Brexit'
Perhaps all these euro skeptics could get together and form a party of their own
Its interesting that the threat of a no confidence vote seems to have worked by making some pro EU tories back down. Whereas on the other side the brexit mob are happily threatening exactly the same and only havent done so since the Maybot is dancing to their tune.
On the Labour side Kate Hoey is great. Her response to her local party starting to mumble about getting rid of her is that she represents her constituents first. That would be a constituency that voted heavily in favour of remain.
Little Bo **** to make a 'resignation statement' to the commons this afternoon, according to Sky.
Knives are coming out.....
https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-resignation-speech-could-signal-another-leadership-bid-11440292
Interesting interview with a Dutch MEP on Radio 4,
I heard this as well.
All our government seem to do is repeat contradictory nonsense and blame the EU, whilst other countries are actively preparing for the worst.
Perhaps Teresa May knows that, when push comes to shove, the remainers by their nature, are not rash and self-destructive, whereas the Berxiteers are effectively just suicide bombers who'd happily bring down the government without a second thought, no matter what carnage that unleashed on the country.
You simply cannot reason with these people. Rationality or compromise has no place in their warped worldview.
Imagine being in her position? Imagine having to deal with these fundamentalist lunatics on a daily basis?
no wonder she wants to go on holiday early
Little Bo **** to make a ‘resignation statement’ to the commons this afternoon
Maybe he is resigning as MP after failing to apply to Acoba for his Telegraph job. That would require some integrity though.
I was going to say I cant see him putting the knife in since the maybot is dancing to the brexit mobs commands but then again I doubt he gives a toss about brexit beyond his own personal gain so who knows.