Personally? Yes the recruitment difficulties we are having getting staff nurses.
That Weatherspoons post is like a metaphor for Brexit itself
In the future we’ll be serving drinks that are considerably shitter than the ones we’ve got on at the moment.
They may be shit, but they’re British shit, so everyone’s just going to have to suck it up and pretend that it’s all absolutely bloody brilliant!!
What was stopping Mr Weatherspoon from doing that years ago? If trading with companies within the EU is such a ball-ache for him why wait till now to do it?
Christ "Tim internal market Wetherspoons" don't doubt the mans ability to serve cheap beer to the masses, but he is not going to create high value employment.
Told you folks this shit needs to run its course and really create some pain.
Awesome - cheap beer!
That'll be handy if I lose my job in high performance manufacturing due to Brexit. Always a silver lining and all that 🙂
This is on display in my local spoons, not that we need to be reminded of the wetherspoons stance.
When do the Guinness pumps get turned off?
This time next year we could all meet to toast ‘Taking Back Control’ at our local Spoons with that Kickstarter 9.30 am pint of Carling?
Carling, Green King IPA and John smiths for everyone!
Yay! 🤢
perhaps we could all meet up and share some fine European beers on their doorsteps
but they are not stopping Prosseco ? too much profit on that .
Flat warm beer for everyone .
do we reckon Wetherspoon customers can read a letter that long ?
First they came for the wetherspoons pre lunch drinkers, but i did not speak out because I'm not a pre lunch drinker.
Then they came for the mid afternoon lunchers, but i did not speak out.
Then I couldn't get a decent beer after work and I had to have it imported.
To be honest, I live in Yorkshire - plenty of good beer here. Mainly from breweries Tim won’t have heard of.
But I still won’t be bobbing into Whetherspoons for a drop of claret even if he does keep on serving it.
but they are not stopping Prosseco ? too much profit on that .
That's what they call hypocrisy.
Anyone for a Worthington E?
Wait.
"Kopparberg has said that it will transfer production to the UK post-Brexit"
That seems monumentally unlikely to me. Is there any source for this or is it another lie?
Also,
"the 93% of the world that is not in the EU"?
How's that worked out, then?
And and and... dear god those last few claims.
What was stopping Mr Weatherspoon from doing that years ago? If trading with companies within the EU is such a ball-ache for him why wait till now to do it?
Absolutely nothing that I'm aware of. The guy is a complete arse.
An arse with an agenda and a cross to burn, it seems.
Also,
“the 93% of the world that is not in the EU”?
How’s that worked out, then?
508M population of the EU
7.6Bn world population
6.69%, so he's factually correct.
Maybe we should invite the large numbers of poverty line RoW inhabitants that make up a large chunk of the 93% to come over and enjoy a pint in their local Wetherspoons - the gammons would love that! They can fund this by bringing us stuff to buy, free from the restraints of such annoyances such as duties, quality standards and safety. Hip hip hooray!
I've tried Mongolian beer. There's a reason Mongolia isn't a renowned beer producing region.
The reason is it tastes terrible!
like to see those numbers ^^^ normalized to spending power
I happen to have the normalized spending power outside the EU North America China Canada Australia etc
= **** all
I think you’ll find that aircraft makers in Namibia and Afghanistan will be queueing up to buy all those British manufactured wings that Airbus no longer require
I've often wondered what the potential impact of hard Brexit would be overall as you hear random 'this is cheaper under x rules' from both sides and whilst my hunch is that the logistics at the very least will make things more expensive I've not seen a calculation. It seems a couple of organisations have made a stab at this now:
The Oliver Wyman report illustrated the point with the cost of Irish beef, commonly sold in supermarkets. It wholesales at about £3.70 a kilogram. Argentinian beef, which is currently £5.50 per kilo because of EU protectionist tariffs, would come down to £3.50 a kilo after Brexit. At the same time, Irish beef would go up to £3.90 per kilo if tariffs were imposed.
But as Brewer pointed out, such a free trade agreement on Argentinian beef would only result in a 20p per kilo saving on beef – not enough to compensate for the higher cost of imports of other goods such as dairy, cars parts or electronics from the EU.
Full report: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/04/brexit-greatest-negative-impact-regions-outside-london
Ok so all the hard evidence says Brexit is bad for thr UK, all the benefits of leaving are on the face of it conjecture.
So putting the Tory Party dogma to one side (there are not many Tories that truly support Brexit anyway) what is the financial benefit to the few who actually want Brexit?
oldmanmtb
For some its investment opportunities, for others its the chance to get rid of employment protections, for some its about getting american healthcare firms that they are investors in into the NHS. Follow the money!
So basically Enemies Of The People.
Never waste a good crisis!
Cameron and Osbourne used the post-crash environment to take a hatchet to the public sector
I firmly believe that the hard right wreckers like Johnson, Gove, Davis, Fox, Redwood are deliberately trying to engineer the financial crisis that anyone with any sense knows a hard Brexit would be. They actively desire chaos! As a cover for what they really want to push through
So as the pound goes into freefall, flights are grounded, and every motorway is gridlocked with nose-to-tail artics, they would use the situation to take the same hatchet to workers rights, the benefits system, the NHS, environmental controls and god knows what else.
You'd be hearing a lot of government statements saying "Due to the unique circumstances we are faced with no option but to......"
... privatise the NHS
... reduce corporation tax to less than 10%, or 0%
... slash the minimum wage
... suspend workers rights
....etc, etc, etc
Thats their true agenda! And always has been!
Theres no way on earth any progress will be made on this much publicised Chequers away day on Friday. Because the headbangers don't want answers. They want their Hard Brexit Crisis
So putting the Tory Party dogma to one side
For some its investment opportunities, for others its the chance to get rid of employment protections, for some its about getting american healthcare firms that they are investors in into the NHS.
Tory Dogma viewed through the lens of a left wing view of Tory Dogma...
This sort of sums up the issues for me, Our political parties (and the people that support them) can't help but see this through a short term partisan lens, they probably don't even recognise it when they do it. If there's one issue that needs to be wrestled out of the hands of the Conservative and Labour parties it's this one.
nickc - trouble is my post is true.
Look at Mogg - moved his investment firm to dublin to take the profits when the pound falls.
Hunt - gets payoffs from a major invester in American healthcare firms
Liam fox quoted as saying he wants to use Brexit to deregulate the labour market ie to remove worker protections
ETC ETC
Look at Mogg – moved his investment firm to dublin to take the profits when the pound falls.
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The move wasn't to short the £, but because:
"A number of existing and prospective clients requested domiciled access to Somerset's products. Blah blah
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I agree it stinks though.
I can’t wait to see Barry Brexit’s face when he’s told that he now only gets 2 weeks holiday.
nickc – trouble is my post is true.
TJ I took the trouble to already confirm that for you, if you read my post properly
Tory Dogma viewed through the lens of a left wing view of Tory Dogma…
I don't disagree with you about the Tories, my point was that Brexit is too big a deal to be left to the likes of the political parties, Sure; the Tories will **** it up, they are your disreputable uncle who's only in it for himself, but the Labour party are just as idiotic about it, only this time it's your Mum, knows **** all about the world and how it works but at least has your best interests at heart, but will just wring her hands when it all goes to shit.
Brexit needs to be taken away from soundbites and posturing for the leadership of the Tory party. If there was a GE Labour might get in, but given their indecision on it, after a few months they'd be just as ****ed up as the Tories.
If there was a GE Labour might get in, but given their indecision on it, after a few months they’d be just as **** up as the Tories.
Im not so sure. Stamer is an infinitely better negotiator than Davis. As much as it pains me as a notional Corbyn supporter, it probably would take long for it to be made very clear to him that if he wishes to retain his new found office he goes for least impact Brexit. Else it wouldn’t be long before a large chunk of the momentum that got him leadership swallowed its own vomit, myself included, and suggests that the Blairite/Thatcherite Benn gets a stab at it. And if he offers to tear the whole thing up he’d probably get in.
And do you know what, as a died in the wool lefty, I’d accept that. There’s be a good deal more unity in the country behind Benn than Corbyn or any of the likely Tory contenders. And given the damage done over the past two years, unity is frankly more important than left/right/in/out/shake it all about hyperpartisanism.
Talking on the Gove thread about the lack of talent in the HOC right now - Starmer is one of the few I would trust to run a bath.
No way on Benn tho - his disloyalty and attacks on Corbyn rule him out for me. He is in the wrong party. A natural tory.. The rest of your point I agree with - just swap Starmer for Benn
No way on Benn tho – his disloyalty and attacks on Corbyn rule him out for me.
And ordinarily me too. But in this scenario I can see his oratory skills converting many. After all, Blair was a Tory too, and it didn’t stop him😂
I'd take anyone who's electoral appeal went further than the student union
How do you both think that the Labour in-fighting that would occur in a Benn vs Corbyn fight for ownership of the Brexit procedure and ultimately the heart and leadership of the Labour party would play out in the Media/papers? And the effects that briefing and off-records chats would have?
do you think that
a) it would make what goes on now look as mild as a gentle teasing dispute over who's paying for scones at a tea shop?
b) no, I;m sure the papers would get on side, and everything would be fine..?
It'd be as bad as the Tories. Probably worse. Jezza and all his coterie are rabidly anti-EU. Always have been. They hate it as much as IDS and Lord Snooty.
i don't believe a word of his recent half-hearted platitudes. If he were negotiating with the EU instead of the Tory's, we'd be right where we are now, just for different reasons
It'd be like groundhog day with different protagonists
Binners - why do you keep on talking such utter bobbins about Corbyn?
I’m not so sure. One thing Corbyn has that his right wing counterparts do not is a sense of duty to the party and its grass roots support. IBS amd snooty only care for themselves and their very rich mates.
Some of us have been paying attention to Corbyn's voting and speaking record as regards the EU for decades. He is a hard Brexit fan. His pretence at taking the party line during the referendum fooled no one, accept those who think he can do no wrong. Note that I started voting Labour only once he became leader, as I'm close to his position on most domestic issues… but he is, and always has been, anti-EU.
Binners – why do you keep on talking such utter bobbins about Corbyn?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the present labour party are still polling behind the most shambolic, inept government I've ever seen in my lifetime, because the leader is so weak and ineffective he can't even land a blow on this shower
He's absolutely *ing hopeless!!! The country has never been in more need of an effective oposition, and instead they've got a leadership that are just enablers for the far right nut jobs of the Tory party
It boils my *ing piss!!!! Because its the working classes that are going to have their incomes and rights decimated by Brexit, and the labour party under Corbyn is utterly complicit in this whole thing
The reason IMO mfor Corbyns poor polling is the infighting in the labour party and the breifing against him by lkabour MPs giving the right wing press ammo. Its discgusting IMO how much the right wi9ng of the labolur party would rather be out of office than support corbyn.
He is too damaged by them now I agree. However its the right wing of the labour parties fault not corbyns - and his appeal actually goes a long way.