Rachel - short history of road tax and its historical demise in favour of vehicle excise duty.
I think you should offer Emma's services for hit and run contract killings.
Somebody has already asked that!!! 😯
Rachel
What was the daft git's user name?
What are the odds on her being in the jungle by the end of the week?
Let's hope she gets eaten by a python who tweets about it afterwards 😯
Well, if the real Emma Way won't do it, I will!!
edit - hang on - I've never seen the programme - what am I letting myself in for??
!Emma
What about putting up a link to this ~ [url= http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-laws-according-to-highway-code.html ]http://ukcyclelaws.blogspot.co.uk/p/the-laws-according-to-highway-code.html[/url]
What are the odds on her being in the jungle by the end of the week?
More likely to end up in a hedgerow by the end of the week judging by her driving
Twitter is recommending that !Emma follows @Chipps. Trying to decide what they want her to follow him for - knock him off??
@ martin hutch
BBC website headline now reads "#Bloodycyclists Twitter post driver Emma Way guilty" where it previously read "Emmay Way Guilty". Even with the revision it fails to acknowledge that she was found guilty of the more minimal offences. Now I recognise that the bbc isn't there to judge but perhaps a better perspective could be achieved with a headline of "emma way found not guilty of careless driving", after all "bloodycyclists" hardly implies balance.
Here are some handy links to register your protest at paying a convicted criminal
email: daybreak@itv.com
twitter: @daybreak
Rachel - short history of road tax and its historical demise in favour of vehicle excise duty.
Bad idea, Rachel will then get someone informing her that actually it's still road tax (colloquialism). It's a tax we pay to use the roads, just like alcohol tax is a tax we pay to purchase alcohol, ditto tobacco tax , incidentally also both colloquialisms. And of course I don't think anyone actually thinks alcohol tax is spent on alcohol, or tobacco tax on tobacco, just as road tax isn't spent on roads.
Now, cars that are never used on the road (race and closed course rally cars) don't need road tax, forever ending the silly notion that road tax is an emissions tax, despite what the government try and have us believe.
You've made the Independent so far
BBC website headline now reads "#Bloodycyclists Twitter post driver Emma Way guilty"
Starting a headline with a hashtag?
Terrible practice, but it's clearly meant descriptively of her rather than as a judgement on cyclists.
Rachel - you can confirm your appearance on daybreak tomorrow - I have an email back confirming that, totally unapologetic about doing so and refusing to comment on payments. It seems rather unlikely she would be making comments about "exclusive" if there were not payment involved.
It seems rather unlikely she would be making comments about "exclusive" if there were not payment involved.
She made comments about knocking a cyclist off his bike when she didn't 😉
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bloodycyclists-emmaway20-is-back-after-twitter-releases-her-handle-8949733.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bloodycyclists-emmaway20-is-back-after-twitter-releases-her-handle-8949733.html[/url]
lucky it even got to court,my brother a was knocked off a motorbike by a female pensioner who forgot to stop at a junction to a main rd,did'nt even get any points and left my brother with smashed legs and a broken back .
turn out she has previously driven across two carriage ways and down a railway embankment after pressing the wrong pedal in her automatic killing machine,turns out shes had four accidents in 18 months but no ban or points/court appearence,ourlocal police officer said if your going to hit someone kill them ,then there's only one version of events.....sad
!Emma/rachel/[s]danny b[/s]/ATG
Maybe post something referencing that young girl killed by the cancer doctor with a [s]soulless, vile[/s] good brief who 'wasn't' driving carelessly/dangerously?
[i]Emma Way gets£1200 to appear on @Daybreak for hitting cyclist thn tweeting about it.Shewas fined £300 then Daybreak pay her £1200.Easy money[/i]
No - she was find £370 and then had £300 costs on top.
Not sure where you got the £1200 from??
I consider her sentence a bit if a victory. Of course I'm comparing it to the HGV driver that got 6 points and £300 for failing to give way at a roundabout, killing my uncle. The system is ****ed.
Definitely knocked into a [url= http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/panamera/panamera-s-e-hybrid/ ] Porsche Panamera[/url] on Daybreak's carpark. I have right of way - he doesn't even pay road tax! #Bloodymediatypes
Has anyone ever been punished heavily for hitting and injuring or killing a cyclist. In this country? Every case seems to go against us.
Not sure where you got the £1200 from??
according to @katekittykatc her agent was boasting that she is being paid to appear on @daybreak tomorrow morning. Anyone know who has bought advertising slots?
Already lodged complaints with ofcom and itv.
Nothing like making money out of behaving recklessly!
Already lodged complaints with ofcom and itv
Good stuff that man - I'm just waging war on twitter and FB (re-opened a twitter account just for the purpose, though emma tells me she's taken 🙁 )
Not usually an active twitter user but facbooked & twittered at daybreak to register disgust - also suggested that perhaps any money earned by Emma Way for appearing on Daybreak should be donated to the DEC Typhoon fund.
I've just emailed Lorraine to ask her not to give this woman any more publicity, particularly at a time when so many cyclists have died, and certainly not to enable her to profit from her crime.
Let's see if I get a response.
Thanks for links aracer.
If enough people complain [i]maybe[/i] we will be heard... [i]maybe[/i]
hh45 - I think there was a motorist jailed for killing a cyclist at a crossroads in Southampton a couple of years ago.
Yes, here it is [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7270751.stm ]Text driver jailed for bike death[/url]
Also, this case [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22111684 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22111684[/url] in which the cyclist was also at fault (night, no lights, failed to stop at a give way and rode out right in front of the car which was on the main road).
No doubt there are more, much won't make the national press. I don't for one minute disagree with the general sentiment that too many drivers get off with this mind.
the cyclist was also at fault (night, no lights, failed to stop at a give way and rode out right in front of the car which was on the main road).
He should have been jailed as well, d1ckhead...
thegreatape - thanks. Likewise I don't want to stoke anything up, just avail myself of the facts.
@Rachel
Army trucks don't pay road tax either. Maybe she could ram into a big one, perhaps an Oshkosh.
Maybe if we aren't sure how much she's getting paid we could ask her solicitor?!
http://www.belmores.co.uk/s27/Contact.html
Paying Emma clearly breaks Ofcom code of conduct http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/crime/
(it's clearly not "in the public interest" as defined in that)
...I have just submitted a complaint on that basis.
Rachel will then get someone informing her that actually it's still road tax (colloquialism). It's a tax we pay to use the roads
I don't think that matters too much. If they did, someone else would tweet a reply reminding them of the mauling they got the last time they trotted out such nonsense, so it all balances out in the end.
Karinofnine, suggest you don't write to the magistrate directly that is not likely to make any difference and has potential to end badly. If you think there is an error in process direct it to the clerk of court but I can't see what. Generally the cps view failing to stop as more serious than careless driving. It carries more potential points. As aracer and others have said court can only use evidence available.
@poly, sadly, I agree - there is nothing to be gained by writing to the Magistrate. But I feel we should protest, in some way.
Edit: wait though - didn't she lie in her evidence? Said she stopped, then said she didn't stop?
Why wasn't that picked up and she charged with perjury there and then? As for the prosecutor Stephen Poole "a routine case of driving without due care and attention" - if he's that jaded and cynical possibly he should consider a new career.
[b]IS[/b] driving without due care and attention "routine"? In these health-and-safety obsessed times, people drive a potentially lethal weapon so badly, so often, that it has now become "routine"?
What the hell is going on?
I was thinking he'd used the word routine to influence the jury that it was straightforward to convict on the evidence available.
Did she lie in her evidence? Imho not really blatant lying, but by contradicting herself she clearly gave unreliable evidence which should help to steer the magistrate as to whether anything else she said was reliable. I know technically if you give 2 versions of the same event, at least one has to be false, but that's conceptually different to outright lying.
Is driving without due care and attention routine? When half a million have points for using a mobile when driving, and yet I still see if multiple times every day - yes it is becoming routine.
I see this conviction as 'about right' if I'm honest. The henley doctor was far worse in my opinion, causing a death and then paying the best lawyers to get her off rather than facing up to it. And i'll reserve judgement on daybreak until I see how they handle it, although I suspect it'll be another 'it could happen to any of us'rather than 'what were you doing you idiot' - but paying her for an exclusive I find abhorrent, if it ends up in her pocket.
Wait, she was fined £337? When did British courts start basing fines on internet memes?
According to Daybreak she has NOT been paid for her appearance on the show this morning. She used the appearance to claim that the cyclist was on her side of the road when she hit him, which is at the heart of the reason that she couldn't be convicted of driving without due care and attention as it came down to his word against hers ultimately.
So Daybreak are going to have the cyclist on as well then I presume.
She's not been paid? So why would someone tweet and say that she was? Can we trust nothing on twitter any more 😕
Paying Emma clearly breaks Ofcom code of conduct http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/crime/(it's clearly not "in the public interest" as defined in that)
...I have just submitted a complaint on that basis.
Posted 10 hours ago # Report-Post
I don't think motoring convictions (at least points) count as being convicted of a crime.
Rachel,
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Cheeky!
if so it's a bit scary considering how many drivers who kill cyclists are prosecuted for careless rather than dangerous. (or am I mixing this up with [b]death[/b] though careless driving? hmm)Generally the cps view failing to stop as more serious than careless driving.
can any legal type confirm whether failing to stop is criminal or civil? bit of googling suggests criminal but not from sources I'd necessarily trust.
Rachel in the national media well done, will the fame go to your head?
Does this Emma lass have the middle names "Right Of" by any chance?
Imagine if - Criminal record leads to lost job / no prospects leads to loss of earning potential leads to loss of car leads to acquisition of bike... Oh the irony.
Mrs has been off work today, I just asked if she'd seen Daybreak, no but apparently motorists were having a rant about cyclist helmets, lack of hi viz and earphones on This Morning.
predictable
Wait, she was fined £337? When did British courts start basing fines on internet memes?
A little bit of wee squeezed out when I read that!
I don't think motoring convictions (at least points) count as being convicted of a crime.
Why on earth wouldn't they? Fixed Penalty notices probably don't, but Emma was found guilty in a court.
I'm still less than convinced they weren't planning on paying her before they discovered it was against the code of conduct - otherwise why would she do an exclusive? Of course they've still broken section 3.4 even if they've now changed their mind, but I guess it would be hard to prove.
I don't think motoring convictions (at least points) count as being convicted of a crime.
Every financial form I've ever filled in asks 'Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offence (excluding motoring offences)' or something similar (eg I just did a Nigerian Visa application this week). Certainly points on your licence don't show up on your criminal record.
However, I'm sure someone will be along with a more definitive answer....
'Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offence (excluding motoring offences)
Which quite clearly implies that motoring offences are criminal offences. The Ofcom code (quite rightly) has no such exclusion. Points on your licence are a different matter entirely - I don't believe your criminal record goes into details of the amount you were fined either.
But it's all OK, because apparently they aren't paying her and never had any intention of paying her for the exclusive - as I presume is the usual way things work with exclusives.
if she didn't get paid then that's a bit of karma(I have no doubt she was expecting to be paid - but we've already established I'm biased against her), but how do we know ITV didn't just bung her a load of dosh on the sly and lie about it?But it's all OK, because apparently they aren't paying her and never had any intention of paying her for the exclusive - as I presume is the usual way things work with exclusives
but how do we know ITV didn't just bung her a load of dosh on the sly and lie about it?
Are you suggesting we cannot trust our press? How very dare you.
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define "Paid"
Free weekend in a nice hotel in London? A meal for you and your family? Maybe a show? A ride in an AL taxi to run a few of the tax evading suicidal lycra louts with headphones off the road?
Maybe no money changed hands, but she sure as hell isn't doing it for free!
Which quite clearly implies that motoring offences are criminal offences.
Or it implies that they are not, but most people think they are.
Seems like a complex area:
For the purposes of supplying a record of criminal convictions to people such as prospective employers this is carried out via the Criminal Records Bureau. Their own definition of "criminal record" is the same as that used on the Police National Computer (PNC). An offence only appears on PNC if it is a recordable offence as defined by the National Police Records (Recordable Offences) Regulations 2000. This is further reinforced by the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, which states that (except for certain excluded purposes) convictions become "spent" after a certain amount of time and so do not appear on a "criminal record" generated by the CRB (but will appear on PNC).So, whether you have a "criminal record" in the sense of someone performing a CRB check on you depends on what you were convicted for (is it a recordable offence?) and how long ago it was (is it spent?).
And, for info, driving without insurance is a criminal offence (s. 143 of the Road Traffic Act 1988) but is not a recordable offence so it doesn't generate a PNC/CRB criminal record.
Note that some offences may appear on PNC if you were convicted of a recordable offence in the same proceedings. So, if you were convicted of drink driving (a recordable offence) and driving without insurance (a non-recordable offence) both would be recorded: Reg 3(3) of the National Police Records (Recordable Offences) Regulations 2000.
I believe failure to stop after an accident is a recordable offence for the purposes of criminal records. Also, the seven points might be very significant if she has had her licence for less than two years, it would mean a licence revoke and start again from applying for a provisional.
no way! Emma way!
Just been having a look back through the @mentions on the @emmaway20 account...
Several mentions are very much in the pro-hate-cyclists camp:
🙁 RT @docfreuduk: I fully support @emmaway20 #bloodycyclists are a nuisance, a danger unto themselves and others.
🙁 RT @RobertH1946: @EmmaWay20 Cyclists are jay-walkers!
🙁 RT @PatrickSkehan: @EmmaWay20 You legend! Hahaha you'll get another job soon!
🙁 RT @cam169677: Ok @EmmaWay20 was silly for not stopping, but c'mon she was bang on with sentiment towards arrogant cyclists on roads.
But most are against. Some real hate out there. Really quite disheartening.
But the worst thing are the misoginistic comments - "bitch", "cow", etc. I'm not going to print those here...
🙁
Rachel
Same old same old. Hiding behind their internet accounts. Not worth getting involved imo.
Still now you've made the nationals! Unknown mysterious Twitter account hijacker!
Never sure if these people mean the comments or not, really not nice if it is meant though.
I think most celebs or people in the news on Twitter get this treatment, just have to block it out.
Any of the video's on this link any use - more aimed at cyclists looking after themselves in the Fair City.
If it is still relevent motoring offences are criminal not civil. The empolyment question above is a classic illustration of the "exception that proves the rule".. Many motoring offences are not recordable offences so do not appear on your criminal reccord.