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Script for the next series of Succession being rewritten as we speak?
...has now re-instated trump's a/c.
Madness has been unleashed.
Jesus, has Mar-A-Lago been running on swamp coolers all this time? That would drive anyone nuts.
I think after the myspace debacle Murdoch will be keeping to the old fashioned media. It has lost some effectiveness but still has plenty of punching power and he is a master of it.
I think there's a gap in the market.
Launch it as a means to log in and comment on news story's on one thread rather than the disparate facebook, twitter, etc feeds. Add in some echo chambering so 90% of the comments you see agree with you.
Allow anyone to post their own 'news'.
Et Voila, new twitter.
I guess not everyone share's the general opinion in this thread, not this influencer anyway:
Why would you tattoo a penis on your forehead? He has a picture of a rocket too.
He's right though. He is a rocket.
What's everyone's views on Apple pulling a large proportion of its advertising from twitter?
It's seems like Elon has forgotten that he has to keep his major add revenue clients happy for his social town square experiment to work. Add into that Apple holding the platform to 30% of his users. Could this be the straw that broke the camels back?
I did giggle when I read it. Poor entitled Elon doesn't get his money back
Apple pulling advertising isn’t the same as them pulling the app from the App Store (unless they’ve done that too, which would kill Twitter, I think)
But he needs the advertising revenue to pay the interest on the loans he took out to pay for this…
I see Jack Dorsey is setting up a new SoMe platform
He's playing the free speech card against Apple I see.
That's his answer to any criticism basically.
Does that mean we can all go on Twitter and call him a c*** and not get banned?😂
What a man child.
Not an Apple fanboy but Apple should be free to spend their advertising revenue wherever they want (free speech) BUT I have reservations about whether they should have the power to pull the app from the app store (without allowing their phones to have apps installed from alternative sources)
I don’t know why he thinks free speech is an argument here.
People may have the right to say what they want, but that doesn’t come without consequences as Alex Jones is finding out. One of those consequences is advertisers saying ‘this platform isn’t for us’.
But he needs the advertising revenue to pay the interest on the loans he took out
Twitter already had the advertising revenue, and was losing hundreds of millions per year before Elon added a billion a year of interest payments to their outgoings.
I don’t know why he thinks free speech is an argument here.
Its because your understanding of free speech diverges from his.
His seems to be that him and anyone with similar beliefs should be allowed to say what they want when they want without consequence.
Others not so much.
Alex Jones is a great example. Musk has said he is still banned from twitter since Musk finds what he said about the shootings offensive.
Which whilst I dont disagree doesnt really support his claimed position on free speech.
His seems to be that him and anyone with similar beliefs should be allowed to say what they want when they want without consequence.
Others not so much.
Which is the exact Republican definition of free speech.
All the while claiming that the media (which they mostly own) is too leftwing and woke and snowflake-y and shouldn't be in any way critical.
https://twitter.com/HCraigBlue/status/1596889864489684992?t=ErhY4zsjvxXMq4uXv4FCSw&s=19
I have reservations about whether they should have the power to pull the app from the app store
I'm pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store - I suspect they've sent a reminder that social media apps available on the App Store must have a certain level of moderation. They pulled Parler in the past and have since re-instated it so it's nothing to do with Musk allowing right-wing nut jobs back on the platform - they'll just need to be moderated/banned if they cross the line (again) into hate speech etc.
I’m pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store
I'd suspect that he's threatened to not pay them, as from the tweets I've seen, he's been quite vocal about a 30% hidden apple tax - which is just the fee apple take from every app.
The man's an absolute nut case.
I’m pretty sure Musk is vastly overstating things when he says Apple are threatening to pull Twitter from the App Store
I dunno. He is moving it towards a subscription based model so Apple are likely to want their normal cut for in app purchases. Since Musk apparently posted a meme saying he wasnt going to do that it could well end in tears/court cases.
Just beaten to the probable problem!
I think the workaround when there’s no app is just to put a web shortcut on your iPhone homepage, but obviously it’s not quite as good.
The rights and wrongs aside, if Apple want to charge 30% for in-app purchases on what is a popular platform because of rather than despite being a walled garden, then that’s Apple’s look out. Musk has essentially two choices, and using the bear wrestling metaphor, as wealthy as he is, Apple is the bear here.
I’d suspect that he’s threatened to not pay them, as from the tweets I’ve seen, he’s been quite vocal about a 30% hidden apple tax – which is just the fee apple take from every app.
As I understand it, it's also levied on any money users pay through the app - so this would also apply to the $8/month blue tick stuff.
There’s a ‘yes and no’ there. If they subscribe through the iOS app then yes, but it’s possible (as plenty of other apps do) to allow subscription elsewhere and validate on the app.
Something like 60% of US teenagers have an Apple phone so it’s a huge market even with the 30% cut.
30% hidden apple tax
ah yes, the hidden tax that they announced to the world world on stage via Steve Jobs. I can't see how Musk isn't just turning off more and more companies, and Must empire board members, right now
If they subscribe through the iOS app then yes, but it’s possible (as plenty of other apps do) to allow subscription elsewhere and validate on the app.
I thought that the ability to advertise it is restricted though. Certainly a whole bunch of legal cases going on in various countries at the moment with some countries having better options than others.
Throwing the toys out of the pram though as Musk seems to be doing isnt likely to end well.
I imagine Apple quite fancy buying Twitter on the cheap. They're likely to keep twisting the knife for some while.
Not sure Apple really want something like Twitter, difficult to make money out of it and just opens a big can of worms for PR (as Musk is finding out). Much easier just to take a cut of any subscription revenue it does manage to generate.
"Elon Musk set to become number-one influencer on Twitter"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63751515
He'll probably love this, but it kind-of says it all about him and this whole sorry saga.
Love this quote, from a former insider: "I think people who tweet a lot are addicted - and possibly narcissistic. No single person has enough interesting things to say to the entire world to tweet more than five times a day."
Not sure Apple really want something like Twitter, difficult to make money out of it and just opens a big can of worms for PR
Agreed, Apple prefer making money to losing it.
Twitter is a vanity project akin to buying a print newspaper.
So according to the man who tweets every 15mins, apple really don't like his changes to twitter.
Wonder how many HR and payroll staff decided to walk when given the ultra hardcore rubbish or 3months salary option?
Not an Apple fanboy but Apple should be free to spend their advertising revenue wherever they want (free speech) BUT I have reservations about whether they should have the power to pull the app from the app store (without allowing their phones to have apps installed from alternative sources)
Well I mean it's a commercial decision which is the kind of thing businesses tend to have to make, Apple are very much allowed to decide not to advertise with or support the twitter app. TBF Elon has been taking lots of big boy decisions himself recently, apparently without considering the possible ramifications.
If apple have weighed up the pro's and Con's and decided that on balance Apple customers (Inc the true Fan-boys/girls) would rather not help to prop up his Muskiness then it's probably wise to yank their advertising and at least consider pulling app support. Musk certainly shouldn't expect any special treatment on fees, apparently the business is worth $40B so it's not like they can't afford their Apple tithe 😉
How many Apple Fans would really switch to Android just so they can use Twitter? Maybe it's all a test for the faithful...
I wonder if apples advertisement revenue data has tracked as a positive return on the 40million apple has spend on advertising on twitter over the course of this year, vs drop-off or uptake after the EM takeover.
Either the apple exec's have decided that money could be better spent else where or they have made a commercial decision to distance themselves from twitter, even if temporary.
Tbf em is probably giving apple a load of free advertising by the amount of tweets he's spouting off against them.
Twitter is a vanity project akin to buying a print newspaper.
Oi! I've got 3.
France Inter have reported that Twiitter has removed moderation of vaccine fake news. It will be interesting to see how Apple react to that provocation. As a public health and putting lives in danger issue that would justify removal from the app store.
Yeah, when you think about it, trading your cow for magic beans was a better deal than buying Twitter.
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1598319634595414016
Oi! I’ve got 3.
Cool.
But how many space rockets do you own?
As far as the 30% thing goes, Google also apply 30% to the Play Store, but oddly enough, that never get’s mentioned. Neither does the fact that 30% only applies to the first year on the App Store, it drops to 15% after that.
Does that mean we can all go on Twitter and call him a c*** and not get banned?😂
No. I thought I’d give it a try, and sent a tweet to MTG, (Margery Taylor Green) saying what a reprehensible human she was, and to eat shit and walk barefoot on Lego bricks, or words to that effect. My Twitter account has been blocked. So much for free speech. Of course, because she’s a Republican, she can say whatever she wants and get away with it.
The block is still there, sometime or other I might take the tweet down, having made my point, but I’m in no great rush.
More proof, if proof were needed, of what Musky Boy’s real intentions were:
But how many space rockets do you own?
Less than three.
Anyone fancy trying neurolink then? Don't worry the monkeys only chewed a finger* or two off in tests**.
* and some died
**SRC the sun.
I'm surprised the thread has missed out on Musk's about face on his beef with apple after having a quick chat with some of the grown ups* there:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/12/01/musk_app_store_dispute_over/
Or the fact that he promised he would be sleeping in the twitter offices until he sorts the company out**:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63897608
* By grown ups I mean people who know how to be evil and get what they want outside of the public view so that they don't spoil their shiny reputation.
** Unless it all gets shut down because of them being investigated over building code violations for turning the offices into a pop up hotel/squat.
You can log out any time you like, but you can never leave.
This article is vaguely interesting https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tesla-vacancies-staff-shortage-berlin
Having a hard time recruiting due to various factors, but with all this publicity around work practices who on earth would want to work for one of his companies if they have an alternative?
The German factory would be horrible for musk to try and bully the German labour laws are very good.
Work for a German car company or a chancer with a big mouth. Ummmmmm
I’m surprised the thread has missed out on...
Are we missing out? I think the world, much less this thread is just getting bored with Elon.
Anyone fancy trying neurolink then?
Good God no! While I still have both Twitter and Fb accounts, my Twitter account is currently blocked after I said nasty things about a particularly abhorrent Republican representative, just to see how much freedom of speech I’m now allowed, under the new Reichmarshall - not a lot, it seems.
I can appeal, but I just can’t be arsed at the moment.
Oh, and I hardly ever use Fb, or any of the others, they’re there just because of a few authors and a bunch of musicians have accounts I follow.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html
Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.
And antisemitic posts referring to Jews or Judaism soared more than 61 percent in the two weeks after Mr. Musk acquired the site.
Go free speech… 🤨
Link in image
Unless it all gets shut down because of them being investigated over building code violations for turning the offices into a pop up hotel/squat.
You'd need to close many US offices for that code violation. Happens a fair bit. I've slept on a US office sofa more than once. Hell I've slept in a bike factory more than once 😉
Sleeping on a sofa vs a room being converted with a bed and wardrobes etc. is a bit different though
Elton John quits Twitter for the right reasons:
I'm somewhat disappointed by the number of LGBT, anti-racism, woke, thinking people etc. still using the platform. 🙁
Further to the Neurolink question, which I went off on a tangent about, for which apologies, it was late, but this article has just turned up, and it makes disturbing and distressing reading. Which probably shouldn’t be a surprise.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neuralink-animal-testing-elon-musk-usda-probe
Totally normal.
Massive dickhead reinforces he's a massive dickhead.
That animal testing bit is shocking.
They absolutely would not have been able to do that here, and if identified people would be going to prison
Elons a douchbag filled by libertarian 3stroke ****s, at what point with his increasingly erratic tweets do all his toys get taken away?, or at the very least someone hoofs him in the balls?.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601894132573605888?s=61&t=NNL1rWm3h7aHYu2h81Ghkw
I have a twitter account but perhaps it's time to shut it down.
I have a twitter account but perhaps it’s time to shut it down.
You could send a tweet threatening to hoof him in the balls, which could lead to them blocking your account, so you get a result both ways.
I’m tempted to just set up another account using a burner email address, just to troll Musk.
Amazing, the guy has seemingly been living on Twitter for the last few weeks and he's already down a deep QAnon rabbit hole.
He's now insinuating that the former head of Trust & Safety at Twitter (who has been mildly critical of Musk) is a peado - the same insult he resorted to against the cave diver guy who told him that his submarine idea was bollocks.
Basically, if you tell Musk he's wrong, he calls you a peadophile...
@Cougar I would love that video to be spot on, but seems like public figures can be forgiven for anything nowadays. SMH
You could send a tweet threatening to hoof him in the balls, which could lead to them blocking your account, so you get a result both ways.
I left a tweet saying “I thought your pronouns are Dick/Head ?”
Sticking it to the man, one tweet at a time
He does seems to have gone completely wild now. The pronouns thing is new level craziness for someone in his position if you want any chance of mainstream advertisers back
At this point everyone hanging on to their Twitter account just to watch Elon's slide further into madness, or just keep up with all the other shit-posting is really just helping enable him and keep the business afloat.
While there's still users, the company stays afloat and it needs to die now, along with people's faith in "business big-brain" Musk.
NASA must be giddy at his brain going rouge it keeps them well in the loop.
Space X needs to distance itself from him but I cannot see how the Pentagon must be watching it all very closely.
At this point everyone hanging on to their Twitter account just to watch Elon’s slide further into madness, or just keep up with all the other shit-posting is really just helping enable him and keep the business afloat
Agree, people (that disagree with the dangerous BS he's spouting) need to stop using it until Chief **** goes away, otherwise all he gets from it is more traffic to Twitter, hardly an incentive to stop.
NASA must be giddy at his brain going rouge it keeps them well in the loop.
Space X needs to distance itself from him but I cannot see how the Pentagon must be watching it all very closely.
Meh, there are other companies putting stuff in orbit and NASA can actually do stuff for themselves. The most baffling thing is that people are still being drawn in by his whole tech-messiah workaholic act.
Businesses, like all organisations, are a cooperative effort, if a single, revered individual whose whims can't be challenged is seen as critical to their success or failure then they're ultimately knackered.
Space x, Tesla, Twitter should all be able to function without his Muskiness, but it still seems the world still can't imagine the idea of him not dabbling...
At this point everyone hanging on to their Twitter account just to watch Elon’s slide further into madness, or just keep up with all the other shit-posting is really just helping enable him and keep the business afloat.
I'm still looking at Twitter. I'm seeing all the same stuff I always have. I'd not have seen Musk's tweet if someone hadn't posted it in this thread.
The most baffling thing is that people are still being drawn in by his whole tech-messiah workaholic act.
In a world where a scumbag like Nick Fuentes has over 100,000 subscribers over his various channels, I'm willing to bet there's a sizable Venn overlap of the folks who venerate Musk as some sort of genius messiah.
Space x, Tesla, Twitter should all be able to function without his Muskiness
I have read suggestions that his current fixation on twitter is a positive for the Spacex and tesla since he isnt interfering with them.
I’m still looking at Twitter. I’m seeing all the same stuff I always have. I’d not have seen Musk’s tweet if someone hadn’t posted it in this thread.
It's still damaging though. Other people are now surrounded by vaccination misinformation and consipiracy theories that may have previously been hidden and the influence of those ideas will grow.
There are still a lot of good things happening on twitter. Its still a positive & accurate news aggregator for many. It still functions as a market place for many small & independent business. Its still a community information board for many.
I get the guy at the top is a nob and I get that he is facilitating further nobs but there aren't many if any suitable alternatives that people can just jump to.
I’m still looking at Twitter. I’m seeing all the same stuff I always have.
Just because you haven't changed your interaction on twitter doesn't mean others won't have. Elon is now twitter's no1 attraction, he gained more followers since buying twitter than any other user, became the #2 most followed (he may well be #1 now) and was tweeting at a rate of once every 15min.....
Personally I've not used the site since about 2014, but you can't escape what is being 'tweeted'. It's in the media and shared around all forms of social media.
accurate news aggregator
That was very dry delivery of a joke.
Totally hatstand...
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602278477234728960?s=20&t=Isu3uCNPepTzqhca-Xw4qQ
you can’t escape what is being ‘tweeted’. It’s in the media and shared around all forms of social media.
Like here? I guess I could avoid STW too.
Does that tweet above remind anyone of zombie maggots....?
So apparently the twitter account that tracks Elon's private jet has been shadow banned - any know if any/all the other private jet tracking twitter accounts have been banned?
There are still a lot of good things happening on twitter.
Also probably lot's of good things not on twitter.
Its still a positive & accurate news aggregator for many.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
It still functions as a market place for many small & independent business. Its still a community information board for many.
It's an advertising platform that relies on user created content to generate traffic and clicks, it's not a hugely original business model...
I get the guy at the top is a nob and I get that he is facilitating further nobs but there aren’t many if any suitable alternatives that people can just jump to.
Really? You make it sound like an essential service without which no information could possibly reach you. Clearly not the case as you're posting on STW (and no doubt other niche corners of the interwebs)...
Just to put it in perspective Twitter apparently has 396.5 million users, that's just under 5% of the 8 billion people living on Earth currently. If you think you're getting comprehensive news/information with insightful comment and opinion from just 5% of the population (mostly the wealthiest 5%) guess again...
I accept twitter's influence goes beyond it's user base as they keep bloody pasting links everywhere else, and half of all journalism now seems to be based on quoting tweets, but it wouldn't be very hard to disentangle ourselves from twitter. People have been telling us all to delete FB since about 2016, I don't see why twitter deserves any more lenient treatment...