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Is this the right thread to post this today, on the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz?
Probably one of a number of threads it applies to but yeah, it belongs here.
even if that means collaborating with very unseemly characters.
That's true of all nations.
Look at the UK and USA during the 2nd World War.
To quote Churchill; “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
I can think of quite a few scenarios where you'd get the shit kicked out of you for doing a Nazi salute long before you got the chance to explain you were doing it for the lolz and if it did happen then you bloody well deserve it.
Terrifying minority groups and emboldening right wing dickheads because they didn't get the "irony" is a really dim move.
People who buy Teslas clearly don’t care, just as people who buy other products where the dubious owner/head is well known as a *. Not sure if that will change now he is even more of a * than he was a few years ago.
I'm sure plenty of people bought his products before it was well known just how much of a fin du cloche he was. I have several Dyson products and have drunk in Wetherspoons. I've probably got a Neil Gaiman book somewhere (though in my defence it's likely to be Good Omens so it's obvs a Pratchett outing).
I’m sure plenty of people bought his products before it was well known just how much of a fin du cloche he was. I have several Dyson products and have drunk in Wetherspoons.
The key thing is when you stopped buying Dyson products or drinking in Wetherspoons.
Interesting thing about teslas is that unless the owner has a private plate on it, you can identify how recently they bought it.
Interesting thing about teslas is that unless the owner has a private plate on it, you can identify how recently they bought it.
Can you though?
You can tell when the original owner bought it.
I do feel a bit sorry for Tesla owners....or rather the ones who care about such stuff. Musk has had the makings of a grade 1 throbber for a good number of years but I'd struggle to put a date on when he crossed the line to be full on boycottable. Be interesting to see what happens to their resale price in the next 12 months.
New MY2025 teslas will be easily identifiable
I hadn't realised that Elon Musk had done a live link to a neo-nazi rally in Germany where he dismissed and trivialised any historical guilt they might feel. It's a surprising turn of events for a man whom Benjamin Netanyahu describes as a friend of Israel, although maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
What is definitely surprising though is that the leader (I will refrain from using the German term) of AfD is actually critical of Adolf Hitler. But what is most shocking of all is the reason why she is critical of Hitler.
According to the AfD candidate for German Chancellor Hitler wasn't right-wing enough, in fact she claims that he was a left-wing communist.
I kid you not :
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-afd-head-called-hitler-communist-he-was-not/a-71274756
Now I know many people, especially the American far-right, describe anyone to the left of Genghis khan has being communist, but claiming that Adolf Hitler was a communist is really something.
In fact I wonder what American neo-nazis think about their hero being a communist.
Yep, and within the past couple of days the German greens have criticised the normalisation of fascism by Musk and Trump, only for the German centrist and right wing parties to rail against the greens for doing so, and ass kiss the fascists (I am not including the afd in the normal right wing grouping here just the traditional tory like party)
The greens in Germany are a more powerful force than in the UK, but still only about 4th behind the other major parties (the general split is more even rather than 2 big parties totally dominating). But I find the reaction of the other parties rather shocking to what is blatantly happening. I would really like to see the funding sources of these other parties.
I’d struggle to put a date on when he crossed the line to be full on boycottable.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
Yeah for me too. I was sicken when he won that case.
That's just what I was going to put.
When a guy putting his life in jeopardy to help others says your crackpot scheme won't work, and your comeback is to call him a pedo - you are a full on arsehole; and should be avoided.
It helps that Tesla's are shit and I don't need either twitter or starlink. Easy swerve
The key thing is when you stopped buying Dyson products or drinking in Wetherspoons.
Precisely what I was (ahem) driving at, yes.
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
Just googled - coming up for 7 year ago. Longer than I remembered. So that's 18 plate and newer then.... so most of them.
Also from the google search - he had 22 million twitter followers back then. 10 times that on X now (thought the total users has apparently tripled in that time too).
Incredibly, GB news sent a reporting team to Auschwitz.
I suppose after this anniversary, gb news will go back to demonizing brown people, Muslims and LGBTQIA+
In in 'MCTD's pic, its not just politicians who instigated this, the media played a huge role. So the players are the right wing media like gb news, the daily mails, express, spectator. They are the Der Stürmer' equivalent of today
The thai cave thing marked him as a knob head. But it was when he bought twitter that it became clear he was a dangerous far right propogandist.
A big +1 to MCTD's post up there; to add to that, there were some articles on R4 this morning that brought tears to my eyes (not a good look when rounding the M25, which can also do that to people) but the one that stuck in my mind as relevant was along the lines of
'Never again' is not just a phrase we recite, but a promise we make every day.
New MY2025 teslas will be easily identifiable
I've just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. 😀
Hopefully he ODs on Ket sooner rather than later
The Thai cave diver thing did it for me.
A couple of years back there was a BBC doc about Musk. I remember this as one of my uncles watched it and was raving about it as though Musk were the new messiah.
I said at the time I thought Musk was a **** and have the cave thing as an example.
Spoke to my cousin (his daughter) the other day and I'm glad to say he has changed his opinion of the guy
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. ?
I've been smiling at this since I first heard it the day after 'that' gesture on inauguration day.
But today, with the main new channels full of coverage of the holocaust memorial stuff.....just doesn't seem quite so funny.
Now Skum wants to change the name of the English Channel. Let's hope that gets the gammons in a froth.
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar. ?
I hear Musk is Führerious about it.
The way [deleted] is going about the reorganisation of the American government, does rather put me in mind of the organisation of another government around 80-90 years ago…
https://www.worldhistory.org/Gestapo/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic/history
It’s well worth a read, especially considering the date today.
It's good to see Gates speaking his mind about him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/27/bill-gates-elon-musk-far-right
Not that Gates has the capacity to change the minds of those to the right having given $50m to Harris...oh and having tried to infect the world with deadly C-19 vaccine too.
I do feel a bit sorry for Tesla owners…
For a while. They can sell them though, given time. If they’re still driving one in a few years time… well…
I'm certainly glad I'm not a Tesla owner now, I don't condone any vandalism of the cars though. I do however support some of the things being done at the factories and dealerships.
even if that means collaborating with very unseemly characters.
I watched Darkest hour last week, which implied/informed about how quick the"others" in british politics were to roll over to Herr Hitler in an attempt to minimise losses. Scary.
I’ve just read the Tesla described as the Swasticar.
I saw his pronouns being described as He/Himler
I watched Darkest hour last week, which implied/informed about how quick the”others” in british politics were to roll over to Herr Hitler in an attempt to minimise losses. Scary.
It's a pretty easy decision to make now, when we are comfortably basking in the glow of "our finest hour" 70 years ago but back then, with the memory of WWI still alive, you were looking at sending millions of people to die, without knowing how it would turn out and if we would end up losing, being conquered and subjugated. Don't trivialise that decision.
They can sell them though, given time.
A sold Tesla still has an owner?
They can sell them though,
I’d assumed a lot of them (like other cars in the UK) are leased and will just get handed back when the lease finishes?
I’d also assume that s/h values will not be high.
Lots of people (most?) buy cars because of the car and don't even think about who owns the company and their views. I own a Renault, not the first clue who owns it and for all I know they could be the vilest person alive, apologies for not doing my research.
Granted you'd have to be living under a rock not to know about Musk, but even so... hate on the brand, not the buyers. I don't think all the vilification of Tesla owners in this thread is leading us down a very good path.
FWIW, I haven't stopped being excited about SpaceX and following their launches etc. Am I an evil Nazi supporter now?
Granted you’d have to be living under a rock not to know about Musk, but even so… hate on the brand, not the buyers. I don’t think all the vilification of Tesla owners in this thread is leading us down a very good path.
This is an excellent point - see my post 23 hours ago about evil starting with simple divisions. Even I hadn't picked up that hating on the buyers is playing exactly into the narrative, it's so easy to start of with a bit of banter....
Everytime my new electric VW proves to be an infuriating pain in the arse (a frequent occurrence) I have to remind myself of the moral high ground I've gained by not selecting a tesla.
To be fair, the last few weeks have made it easier.
This is an excellent point – see my post 23 hours ago about evil starting with simple divisions. Even I hadn’t picked up that hating on the buyers is playing exactly into the narrative, it’s so easy to start of with a bit of banter….
It's really sad. Division just leads to more division. Where do you draw the line? Let's hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on...
Surely there are ways to fight back without resorting to hate, encouraging violence (however tongue in cheek it may be) and pointless vitriol.
I don’t hate Tesla drivers unless of course it was someone who bought one as an explicit statement of support for Musk’s position.
No ****ing way would I buy one though, solely on the basis of his position.
FWIW, I haven’t stopped being excited about SpaceX and following their launches etc. Am I an evil Nazi supporter now?
What are your thoughts on Wernher von Braun?
What are your thoughts on Wernher von Braun?
I don't much like him personally. Fascinated with Saturn V however, and yes even the V2 as a piece of technology, just not what was done with it.
Similar to Musk really, except Musk has much less to do with the actual rocket & science. Not entirely sure of your point.
Lots more Tesla open for all charging stations have appeared round the country since I last looked. I'll be using them if I'm near by and need a charge. I won't be buying a Tesla tho, insurance group is too high for my liking.
Where do you draw the line? Let’s hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on…
There's a line between these? 🙂
To be fair, it's difficult to dislike Tesla owners for the crime of "buying a car." Apparently they're quite good vehicles?
Similarly, I'd personally avoid Wetherspoons wherever practical because of Temu Father Jack's actions, but they're ubiquitous and cheap and if you want a pie and a pint and you've only got a fiver to your name then it's hard to criticise someone for choosing that. Note here though, I'm boycotting 'Spoons not because of the views of its owner but because its owner chose to use his pubs to act as a propaganda mouthpiece. So maybe there is a line after all.
If you only have £5, surely a 69p pastie and a 99p bottle of beer will do? The change can be invested in Tesla and weatherspoons?!
Where are you getting 99p bottles of beer from, the 1980s?
I take your point, all I was saying was that I recognise that 'Spoons fills a niche in the market. Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn't be my first choice either.
Where do you draw the line? Let’s hate on: Nazis, neo-Nazis, extreme far-right, Musk, Trump, Farage, Johnson, Brexit, Gammons, Republicans, Tories, anyone who votes for any of the above, Tesla buyers, Wetherspoons patrons, on and on and on…
The lines not even in sight yet, keep going!
Note here though, I’m boycotting ‘Spoons not because of the views of its owner but because its owner chose to use his pubs to act as a propaganda mouthpiece. So maybe there is a line after all.
Yep. Old Worzel Gummidge chose to inextricably link his dives with a pro-Brexit stance. Hence, I've not spent a single penny in one ever since he did.
The lines not even in sight yet, keep going!
That was my thought too.
Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn’t be my first choice either.
TBF the ambience would be very similar, probably with fewer dickheads.
Standing in the rain with a lukewarm Pound Bakery sausage roll and a can of Lidlbier is an option of course, but that wouldn’t be my first choice either.
TBF the ambience would be very similar, probably with fewer dickheads.
We have a ‘Spoons in town, which I’ve been in one lunchtime, and another pub which I used to drink in, that I wouldn’t be seen dead in these days, ‘Spoons definitely being the preferable option, with far fewer dick’eads.
And so we've gone full circle into 'drawing the line' (is that a tangent?) Spoons might have fewer dickheads, but I'd rather drink somewhere with none. Myself excepted.
We have a ‘Spoons in town, which I’ve been in one lunchtime, and another pub which I used to drink in, that I wouldn’t be seen dead in these days, ‘Spoons definitely being the preferable option, with far fewer dick’eads.
I'd rather just be thirsty in that case.
Apparently they’re quite good vehicles?
This is apparently debatable, unless you like random panel gaps and door handles that come off in your hand?
I'd like to think my point was pretty clear without needing to list all the way down to the perfection of "STW forum member" 😉
I did consider listing more but TBH couldn't be bothered and considered it was clear what I meant. Either it was really not clear or people just like to nitpick for the sake of it :-/
Musk may well be a ****, I think he Is in fact, but no way can I afford one of his cars, so cannot boycott Tesla, sorry all.
Weatherspoons boss may well be a ****, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
Just an observation
Weatherspoons boss may well be a *, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
How much more of a * would he have to be for you to stop?
My rule, not just for beer, is ‘if the boss is a ****, my money goes elsewhere’
I’d rather just be thirsty in that case.
Thankfully I have three other options in town, two are owned by the same family, one of theirs also does good coffee and cakes, and all three serve a very wide range of outstanding beers, largely from breweries in the south west.
Regarding Elonia, even if I was in the fortunate position to be able to afford an EV, I wouldn’t touch one of his with a barge pole. Apart from the poor build quality, which I have on good authority from the people I worked with who actually took the things apart to repair them, but their shitty ergonomics go completely contrary to everything that I expect from a driver safety standpoint.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
making choices based on how much of a **** the owner of company is or what activities said company get up to is not snobbery.
A lot of people clearly don’t care which is up to them but if enough people did care it would be a step in the right direction if we don’t want **** billionaires running the world.
Musk may well be a *, I think he Is in fact, but no way can I afford one of his cars, so cannot boycott Tesla, sorry all.
Weatherspoons boss may well be a *, I think he probably is, but if I can buy a round for 5 people for 13 quid, and sit in good company with mates, I will.
Sorry but there are some insufferably snobbish peeps on here.
Just an observation
I can't afford a Tesla either, but I wouldn't buy one if I could. I don't go to any Weather spoons, could give a **** how cheap the beer is, I'd rather go without. I don't think you understand what snobbery is normally do you likely understand what principles are I would guess
I've never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.. I have a long boycott list ranging from countries to individuals
I use their toilets and don’t buy anything.
I’ve never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.
Well, they're owned by a shit. The rest of your comment is rubbish, though.
Weathersoons is great as a public toilet provider, other than that, I avoid it like the plague.
Well, they’re owned by a shit. The rest of your comment is rubbish, though.
And based on exactly zero personal investigation, proudly.
Pubs reflect their clientele. I don't choose to go to Wetherspoons if I can avoid it due to tne owner, but will go to them if I'm out with a group who will. The nearest one to me is rough but adequate, others I've been to have been nice, especially ones where they've repurposed a lovely building that would otherwise struggle to be used (the old cinema one in Cambridge for example).
The pubs themselves, no issues there, some are very nice. The beer is varied and cheaper than most places, due to the volumes they can buy in.
The owners ****yness trumps (heh) all that though, I’d rather pay more elsewhere, and do.
Personally I think the selection and quality of beer is generally pretty good in a Wetherspoons, some of the pubs themselves are very nice.
But taking the moral highground dictates that I should probably go to the pub next door and spend best part of £7 on a pint of Neck Oil.
Weathersoons is great as a public toilet provider
Unless, like the last couple i have been in, it'd be quicker and easier and more pleasant to get to frigging Mordor and back than get to the toilets.
Apart from the poor build quality, which I have on good authority from the people I worked with who actually took the things apart to repair them, but their shitty ergonomics go completely contrary to everything that I expect from a driver safety standpoint.
Toyota took one apart and declared it "an engineering masterpiece". I'd rather believe them than some guys you know. In your opinion the ergonomics are shitty IMHO the switches and buttons scattered around most other cars have shitty ergonomics and as far as safety is concerned Tesla Model Y scored 98% in Euro NCAP the highest score achieved. But hey, what would Euro NCAP know?
Toyota took one apart and declared it “an engineering masterpiece”.
Sauce? Declared that about the drivetrain? The charging connection? The seats? The overhead sunglasses storage receptacle?
Also, touchscreen everything does definitely not equal good ergonomics.
Engineering includes cost factors, and I'll be honest here, going the route of slapping every system control in the car on the touchscreen is right there the Cheapy McCheapFace choice, individual buttons cost, and that, that is a dev /production cost trade-off against safety and usability.
NCAP is crash testing. Hardly relevant to the thing where the driver has to fanny about with the touchscreen to get the heater controls up to demist the windscreen but that's behind the second menu that took four seconds to appear because the unqualified software running the navigation and voice activation locked up and had to be restarted and that rebooted the display and in the meantime you've validated that yes, the NCAP rating of 98% meant that you didn't die when you wrapped the front end around a lamppost.
Also, build quality.
Toyota took one apart and declared it “an engineering masterpiece”
I did read this but I think they were talking about the one-piece 'giga' casting for the rear end. This is a nice idea but most manufacturers are moving in that direction now, and also it makes the cars hard to fix after a crash. So we'll see how that pans out (with all manufs not just Tesla).
Also crash testing is not related to build quality. I don't hate Teslas as cars by the way - they are good - but I don't like the idea that they are head and shoulders above every other EV because they're not, in 2025. I think the company's biggest weakness is likely to be the lack of new models, which will probably not hurt it so much in the USA but they will start to look dated here.
I’ve never been in a Weatherspoons and never will. Shit pubs with shit beer run by a shit who treats his staff like shit.
Showing yourself to be a bit of a self-righteous prick here TJ. No doubt that Tim Martin is a shit however I can't comment on how he treats his staff currently as I don't know, and I suspect you don't either. I may be wrong. However the beer certainly ain't shit. I was in a 'Spoons on Saturday and the range of guest beers was more than acceptable and very reasonably priced.
There's a lot wrong with Tim Martin but Wetherspoons offer a reasonably priced night out for people with less disposable income. You obviously disagree.
Spoons is another case of "large company in 'boss is contemptible shrew' shocker."
Do the folk who boycott companies owned by people who are *** make sure pensions are not invested in those companies, or are you happy to take the benifits of those ***
Admirable if you do boycott these, and interested in which pure as pure companies you make sure you invest in and where you buy your life essentials.
Also who do you work for, and do you fully vet the individuals or corporation you do work for and who pay you
Thanks in advance
Hardly relevant to the thing where the driver has to fanny about with the touchscreen to get the heater controls up to demist the windscreen but that’s behind the second menu that took four seconds to appear because the unqualified software running the navigation and voice activation locked up and had to be restarted and that rebooted the display
Switching on demist takes two screen presses. I can't think of any occasion when my life depended on swithing on demist any faster. In any case I never have to use it because the HVAC is effective in dehumidifying the cabin. Never had a system freeze either.
Also, build quality.
This isn't 2017 any more. Tesla buld quality is as good, if not better, than anything else coming out of Germany, Japan or China.
Whole lot of this going on here.
I don't like to use places because doing so might enrich their nob head owner... I don't do a deep dive into every single thing just to check someone somewhere isnt a bellend.
If I have the luxury of having a choice I'd probably avoid certain products based on the owners. I would never buy a Tesla as there are many other great cars out there for similar money. Likewise Dyson would be off the list.
But I've been in spoons once (town had very limited options for boozers) and tbh I thought it was great. You could have a meal and a few pints for well under 20 quid, and whilst not fine dining I thought it made a refreshing change and offered an alternative to folks who couldn't afford 5 quid pints of tennents and 15 quid burgers.
Would I go back knowing the owner is a xxxx. Probably if it was the only option in town, and definitely if money was tight.
Also, whilst we are all busy boycotting Wetherspoons in the hope he goes bust are we equally happy to see all the people working there lose their incomes?
"I was just following orders"