[Closed] Electric scooter / moped ???

Most are illegal to use on the pavement and on the road (in the UK).

if it doesnt have pedals then its liable to registration/ tax / insurance and licensing the same as any other moped petrol or otherwise.

if it doesnt have pedals

Even if it does, but doesn’t meet pedalec requirements, it needs reg/tax/insurance etc as all the rest.

any links to these, out of curiosity?

Absolutely but looking at the 700 quid jobbits that they are touting as tax free and legal the easy differentiater is that they don't have pedals so instantly not legal for road use

Electric vehicles are exempt from vehicle excise duty. Though yes, you'd still need to register and insure it.

The main question would be whether it has type approval. Without this, you won't be able to register it.

Absolutely but looking at the 700 quid jobbits that they are touting as tax free and legal the easy differentiater is that they don’t have pedals so instantly not legal for road use

Except if they are!

No reason why an electric “scooter” (as in small motorbike in the style of a lambretta/Vespa rather than the kids toy) can’t be road legal, with the necessary lights, Reg no, driving license, helmet etc.  And as noted above would have a zero VED as an electric vehicle.

i believe the sub £1k ones are all lead acid based and a bit rubbish.  Lithium versions are more expensive.  I have at least briefly considered.

Plenty of them on eBay claiming to be type approved under EN15194

That's an eapc standard. IE must have pedals and be powerpand speed limited. Your unlikely to be able to register that for the road as it's the wrong paper work to get a reg plate.

Have even come across one chancer claiming that his had pedals fitted so it was relevent .... Pedals were bolted to the frame mind and couldn't assist the bike but in his mind the bike had pedals

Which ones have you seen that are type approved as motorcycles/mopeds ? And are not in the thousands.

I do think the government need to take a look at the law here.

These kinds of things, Segways and Airwheels etc fall into an undefined area so are illegal on the roads.

Yet, they solve many of the same issues bicycles do in urban areas - congestion, pollution, parking

Hell, they're cutting rural bus services a lot too. Get your granny on one popping over to the next town where there's actual a branch of her bank.

Free the Segway.

Free yer granny.

If everyone just uses these things, they'll change the law to suit, eventually.

Before or after you have points on your license for using an unlicensed/unregistered vehicle ?

Most likely after for some, before for most.

The law will eventually reflect what people, as a whole, want though. If they don't want these things, it won't change, if they do, it will.

So you achieve that by lobbying for legislative change and prove its required you don't just flaut the laws as you choose to try and make a point .

That's an alternative way, aye. Not the only. Law's only actually work due to the compliance of the majority. If the majority(or even a large group) ignore a law, it's pretty much impossible to enforce.

Notice many forces enforcing 20mph limits?

Law enforcement, isn't actually enforcement, it's more an agreement and approval tbh.

Edit * <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> What you describe is just "getting away with it" </span>

IE your on the motorway and do 80 because everyone else does. Speed camera still catches you and you get a ticket same as everyone else.

Standing up in court and saying everyone else was doing it won't get you off even if it's been the case for 20 years.

Your just picking and choosing which laws you flaunt it's nothing to do with the will of the people.

You can get around the legal problems by simply riding a ****ing bicycle. 🙂

All I'm saying is the public has a power if it wants to exercise it.

Standing up in court and saying everyone else was doing it won’t get you off even if it’s been the case for 20 years.

If the courts are suddenly flooded with such cases, they won't convict them all.

Your just picking and choosing which laws you flaunt it’s nothing to do with the will of the people.

Yes, and if everyone does it. the law won't be able to cope. Not really getting what you don't understand here?

I'm perfectly aware the individual act would remain technically illegal and could hold personal penalities..

Technically I can get 5 years for possession of a bit of weed.

Trail rat - this one is the wrong side of £1k but not “thousands” and is Li battery rather than Pb-acid.  It’s about a year since I looked and there were certainly road legal Pb-acids then for high three figure sums.

https://eriderbikes.com/electric-mopeds/model-30-city/

Is there evidence to back up that claim ? Pretty surely plenty of speeding tickets are issues every day/week/month/year.

Alternatively hypothetical situations all go away if you buy one of the correctly type approved mopeds which are made to a regulatory standard and are tested as such to be approved of safesand suitable construction for safe  use and people are trained to use them safely at the speeds they travel.

I work in a place where there are no rules for what is allowed on the road , trust me you do not want the roads becoming a free for all full of junk vehicles just because the will of the people.

Would that be the same canibis that people are lobbying hard with hard fact based evidence for its legalisation rather than just mass convictions swamping the courts ?

The speeding ticket analogy doens't really apply, illegal vehicles are unlikley to be have a handy registration plate.

And anyhow, i'm not advocating a free for all, just saying that if people wanted these scooters, they'll need to give the government a push about it.

Technically even these are illegal in the uk. Which is ridiculous.

Would that be the same canibis that people are lobbying hard with hard fact based evidence for its legalisation rather than just mass convictions swamping the courts ?

The reason the courts don't convict for cannabis is absolutely because they don't want swamped.

Anyhoo, fitba's on, my points have been made. 🙂

So you achieve that by lobbying for legislative change and prove its required you don’t just flaut the laws as you choose to try and make a point.

Come on trail-rat be more Pirate

The link has gone, but if it's one of those mini 125 type scooters, they are seriously slow and sh1t.  I used to pass one on my commute, going the other way, but a 70 year old with health conditions could have walked faster with a walking frame. Better off with a hybrid e-bike for a bit more money, and a seriously lot less weight. Or just get a cheap bike and ride it slowly if you struggle, or even walk.  It was that bad,