[Closed] Election Campaign

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Michael Crick of Channel 4 news broke the story of the LibDem guy, not the Telegraph, Gilligan has just done some additional work.

They have said hey look he is a lib dem. They have not said that what he claimed was untrue or that the evidence did not suggest that what he said was a serious possibility I have not seen the news report but if this is the indepth bit I probably dont need to.

You gov is run by a tory [ ex chairman of the party] it does not mean all its surveys are BS because of his political affiliations. His claim is either supported by the evidence or it is not. Clearly they think it is as they played the man and not the argument.

You gov is run by a tory [ ex chairman of the party]

It is run by a former candidate. The story could be a stitch up or it may not be, storm in a teacup.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what counts is whether the allegations are true, not who made them.

I agree that this particular story isn't really all that important but mostly because of who it involves- an allegation of dishonesty against Grant Shapps just isn't news, and this one is barely a blip on his scumbagometer.

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Meanwhile we...

...still have a government that spends more than it's receives (budget deficit)
...import more than we export (trade deficit)
...produce less from every additional input of land, labour and capital (weak productivity)
...and have too much borrowing (excess leverage)
...steal from savers and deliberately mis-price risk (QE), while...
...adding liquidity to the system (folly, what did Einstein say?)

And yet it's bonanza time - here you go, have higher wages, have cheaper borrowing costs, go and consume more (imported goods), here's a few extra bob for our dear old NHS.

Good job none of this is serious.

No "party" (sorry) for who ever does [s]win[/s] lose less badly than the others.

In the meantime ...

... Debate Me is going to rule the world.
... Debate Me is going to teach the world.
... Debate Me is going to give out free money.
... Debate Me is going to create more rules and regulations.
... Debate Me is going to create more jobs by having huge public sectors.
... Debate Me is going to tell you how to live your life.
... Debate Me is going to save the world.
... Debate Me is going to punish those who dare to make profit.
... Debate Me will make it compulsory to carry the Red Book ...

Debate Me! Debate Me! You and me one to one!

Hell yes!

😈

teamhurtmore - Member

And yet it's bonanza time - here you go, have higher wages, have cheaper borrowing costs, go and consume more (imported goods), here's a few extra bob for our dear old NHS.

I fear Chewwy's rants are starting to become contagious.

Is the approaching general election causing some sort of mass right-wing hysteria ?

ernie_lynch - Member
I fear Chewwy's rants are starting to become contagious.

Is the approaching general election causing some sort of mass right-wing hysteria ?

On the contrary as everywhere I see I only see Debate Me. I mean he has so much exposure he is going to hit the home run! Hell Yes!

Debate Me is so good he promised the world.

Sorry,missed the last 5 pages; who is debate me?

@duckman - here is a clue

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...still have a government that spends more than it's receives (budget deficit)
...import more than we export (trade deficit)
...produce less from every additional input of land, labour and capital (weak productivity)
...and have too much borrowing (excess leverage)
...steal from savers and deliberately mis-price risk (QE), while...
...adding liquidity to the system (folly, what did Einstein say?)

Some questions if you will: Why does the government receive less than it spends?
why do we import more than we export?
why do we have weak productivity?
why do we need to have such huge amounts of borrowing?
how are we (they) stealing from savers?

I'll give you the other two.

an allegation of dishonesty against Grant Shapps just isn't news,

Wan(etc)...

explains theory and practice of deficit -Q1
Trade deficit - too much for here, sorry Q2
Productivity - IS CRUCIAL and should be what our representatives are focused on, to the extent that it is their business. A point made here...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/4d308ade-e8d1-11e4-87fe-00144feab7de.html#axzz3Y1ycINga

I am waiting for our representatives to explain!! 😉

Borrowing? Because we like to bring forward consumption (yeaah!) while delaying payments, especially if we can shift the latter to another generation (poor things)

In the meantime, we will steal off the savers, screw up financial markets and pricing of risk and take more money out of wages.....

i think jambys pic ^^^ up there nicely sums up how the conservative campaign is being run

On a somewhat related note, the Mayor of Tower Hamlets has been found guilty of electoral fraud.

[i]The court heard that one of the petitioners saw a voter crying outside a polling station after allegedly being told by a supporter of Rahman that it was “un-Islamic” not to vote for him, and that if you did not vote for him you were “not a good Muslim”.[/i]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/23/tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-found-guilty-of-electoral ]Guardian Story[/url]

Tower Hamlets isn't an isolated case - reasonably large changes in demographics in other London boroughs and religious driven voting practices mean that there's a much wider problem of electoral misconduct that's beneath the surface but very driving voting choices in one direction.

Political Darwin award in my constituency this week. How do such people get through candidate selection?

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32433723 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32433723[/url]

On a somewhat related note, the Mayor of Tower Hamlets has been found guilty of electoral fraud.

Related to what? Are you suggesting that a conviction for the serious criminal act of electoral fraud is somehow related or simular to an allegation of sockpuppeting, which as far as I'm aware isn't even illegal? Or have I got that wrong and you meant something else?

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Tower Hamlets isn't an isolated case

Well don't keep it to yourself - pass the information onto the police. I assume you haven't because further allegations don't appear to have made the headlines.

Related to the general election, it being electoral fraud.

There's been allegations of electoral fraud for this coming general election ? News to me. I can't believe that.

There's been allegations of electoral fraud for this coming general election ? News to me. I can't believe that.

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"How dare anyone make insinuations of that sort!"

There's allegations of electoral fraud for this coming general election concerning George Galloway ? I can't find any.

Have you got any links of alleged electoral fraud for this coming general election reported to the electoral commission Z-11? I'm certainly interested if there is.

Posting pictures à la jivehoneyjive is fine but if you want to say something then just say it - we're all grown ups who can read we don't need pictures.

Plenty on George G in the news - just search on google for news in the last 24 hours:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/leaders/article4419629.ece

Does the times article say gorgeous George has been committing fraud then?

So is England going to be ruled by another country's MPs exerting their blackmail influence over whichever party agrees to go into a coalition with them?

[i]"The Tories have been jumping up and down about the possibility of the SNP ending up in a coalition with Labour, but they have been strangely silent on Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) potentially holding the balance of power"[/i] from the [url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/dup-conservative-coalition-gay-rights-5563837?utm_content=buffer56949&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer ]Daily Mirror[/url]

Political Darwin award in my constituency this week. How do such people get through candidate selection?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32433723

Er, yeah, that's not the full story though:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/a-serious-case-of-hypocrisy/

Nice clarification ben
Ta

still waiting for something as compelling from just 5 minutes who has, strangely, not got 5 minutes to back up his claims.

just5minutes - Member

Plenty on George G in the news - just search on google for news in the last 24 hours:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/leaders/article4419629.ece

Which is hardly surprising as George Galloway is a high profile politician and there's an import election coming up. Why wouldn't there be "Plenty on George G in the news" ?

I hoping for, as you well know, a clue as to why a reference to George Galloway makes jambalaya's point that there is a connection between the guilty verdict on Lutfur Rahman and this coming general election.

There appears to be absolutely no connection between the two at all. Which is fair enough of course, but I just wondered why jambalaya said, quote :

[i]"On a somewhat related note, the Mayor of Tower Hamlets has been found guilty of electoral fraud."[/i]

No one was even talking about George Galloway so I can't see how it's "related".

"So is England going to be ruled by another country's MPs exerting their blackmail influence over whichever party agrees to go into a coalition with them?"

NI isn't a country (is it?)

konabunny - Member
"So is England going to be ruled by another country's MPs exerting their blackmail influence over whichever party agrees to go into a coalition with them?"

NI isn't a country (is it?)

Ask someone from there. 🙂

Did someone say Bradford West?

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You don't need to be @jhj to draw some clear links between Galloway and this crook. It also seems the Labour party made some clear links between Rahman and extremists

From the Telegraph

[i]Rahman was narrowly re-elected as an independent in May last year, even though he had been expelled from the Labour Party for his links with an Islamic extremist group and his council was under Government investigation for misuse of funds.[/i]

Tories have made a clear pledge that within 100 days of being elected they will pass a law saying only English MPs can vote on English taxes mirroring the powers of the Scottish parliament. Waiting to see the manifiesto but it's reported English taxes will only be spent in England. This will play very strongly with voters.

You don't need to be @jhj to draw some clear links between Galloway and this crook

Why do you say the photo was proof of collusion ? I never suggested it was proof of anything, just posted it as the photo is in today's papers. What I did say is you don't have to be "ace high private eye" or jhj to see the links between them

Waiting to see the manifiesto but it's reported English taxes will only be spent in England.

What would "English" taxes be defined as? Would they include say taxes raised from North Sea oil production?

So here is a wider angle photo taken at a meeting in November at which Galloway and Livingstone both gave their support to Rahman against whom they said there had been a "witch hunt". Co-incidently the top performing schools they mention include the one which the three teenage Jihadi brides attended (plus their older friend who left in September). Various Labour party members had already called for Livingstone to be ejected from the party for supporting Rahman.

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[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30032251 ]Tower Hamlets mayor defended by George Galloway[/url]

What would "English" taxes be defined as? Would they include say taxes raised from North Sea oil production?

Edit as he has made a claim

So the evidence they are linked is he spoke in support of him
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that george has questionable judgement and was wrong to support him ....imagine George supporting the wrong ones eh.
Now what is the "link" you talk of?
In what way are his criminal activities and convictions "linked" to george
You seemed to be suggesting he was also "dodgy" were you smearing him like that ?
have you any proof of this or was it like just5minutes and just idle [ politically motivated] speculation?

Tories have made a clear pledge that within 100 days of being elected they will pass a law saying only English MPs can vote on English taxes mirroring the powers of the Scottish parliament. Waiting to see the manifiesto but it's reported English taxes will only be spent in England. This will play very strongly with voters.

It'll play very strongly with the voters in Scotland as well I expect. The SNP will have a party if that was announced.

You don't need to be @jhj to draw some clear links between Galloway and this crook. It also seems the Labour party made some clear links between Rahman and extremists

From the Telegraph

Rahman was narrowly re-elected as an independent in May last year, even though he had been expelled from the Labour Party for his links with an Islamic extremist group and his council was under Government investigation for misuse of funds.

Well firstly no one as far as I can seen had even mentioned George Galloway on this thread so why on earth did you say :

[i]"On a somewhat related note, the Mayor of Tower Hamlets has been found guilty of electoral fraud."[/i]

Related to [i]what[/i] ?

Secondly what has the Daily Telegraph quote that Lutfur Rahman won an election and defeated the Labour candidate, or your claim that some people have called for Ken Livingstone's the expulsion from the Labour Party got to do with anything being discussed at all?

How is it [i]"on a somewhat related note"[/i] ? Or [i]"related to the general election" [/i] as you later claimed. There is clearly no connection whatsoever with what was being discussed.

And finally on a somewhat related note, here's my random contribution, a picture of Lutfur Rahman spending a few relaxing minutes with the brother of the leader of the Labour Party and quite possibly the next UK Prime Minister (on whose authority does the Prime Minister act? The Queen)

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Proving that they're both paedophiles and probably knew Jimmy Savile.

ernie_lynch - Member

Related to what ?

Dishonest politicians presumably

So the evidence they are linked is he spoke in support of him

Not just that, Respect not only backed his candidacy as mayor, and agreed not to run against Rahmans Tower Hamlets first party in elections

The English votes thing is a very good plea by the Tories to win back kippers to the fold

Especially as it hides HSBC s announcement that they might leave the uk over our potential exit from the EU, No party will want to discuss that at length

As does the Tories measured over-reaction to millibands claims that Cameron was ineffective on Libya

Dishonest politicians presumably

But jambalaya denied that he had Grant Shapps in mind when he made the comment, he said "related to the general election". I can't see any connection between Lutfur Rahman and the general election in two weeks time. Which is fair enough I suppose but I was intrigued as to why he made the claim.

Of course Z-11 came along and posted a picture of George Galloway and then jambalaya decided that was he meant by "on a somewhat related note".

All very strange.

I get the impression, based from pass experience, that jambalaya and Z-11 made some cockeyed attempt to to deflect criticism away from the Tory Party and direct it at the Labour Party, so jambalaya came up with Lutfur Rahman and Z-11 came up with George Galloway. It's the only explanation I can think of.