direct it at the Labour Party, so jambalaya came up with Lutfur Rahman and Z-11 came up with George Galloway
Strange, directing things at the Labour Party by targeting people who have been expelled?
Mind you, it's funny to find that another certain politician with a history of expulsion fron the party seems to have been tied up in this complex web of sticking up for each other doesn't it? Strange how they all seem to stick together!
Former minister in the last Labour Government; Lord Digby Jones, has made a rather explosive intervention in today's Telegraph that strikes to the core of Ed Milliband's understanding of how the economy works:
Worth a read..
Especially as it hides HSBC s announcement that they might leave the uk over our potential exit from the EU, No party will want to discuss that at length
I can think of a party that would LOVE to discuss that at length 😆
PS Dode Galloway is a legend,I also suspect that if there was anything more on him,our press would have dug it out years ago. He also has some of the best put downs I have ever seen.
(See GG v US senate as an example)
Electoral fraud is clearly a topic related to the General Election. i said somewhat related but the more research I do the more I think its highly related not just in Tower Hamlets but in Bradford West.
So as its lunchtime I did some googling and reading up.
Rahman was kicked out of the Labour party due to his links to (membership of ?) the Islamist Forum of Europe. An organisation set up many years ago to support and represent the Bangladeshi community but one which seems to have taken a different direction. It was the subject of a Dispatches documentary showing it's extremist Islamist views and preference for Sharia Law over any other. George Galloway was recorded as saying he could not have gotten elected as an MP without the Islamist Forum of Europe ("more than I should probably say"). Rahamn was supported on Tower Hamlets council by Respect party members.
When Rahman started to be investigated Livingstone and Galloway attended a meeting to support him (that's where the photo comes from). The links between Rahman and Galloway and their shared support, financial and political are quite clear.
The Evening Standard reported some of the testimony at the recent trial where various people including senior Labour party officials said Rahman had been "brainwashed" by the fundamentalists.
[url= http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-was-brainwashed-by-muslim-fundamentalists-10024423.html ]Story Link[/url]
ninfan - MemberStrange, directing things at the Labour Party by targeting people who have been expelled?
Strange ? Yes of course it is, which is precisely why I used the term cockeyed. Presumably jambalaya thought people would make a vague association between Lutfur Rahman and the Labour Party, I can't think of another explanation.
Who knows apart from you as to why you posted a picture of George Galloway when it had absolutely nothing to do with jambalaya's claim that there is a connection between Rahman's conviction for electoral fraud and next month's general election.
I suspect that in your weird mind you thought posting a picture of Galloway and suggesting dark but unspoken insinuations was having a pop at me. I've learnt to accept that your mind doesn't necessarily follow normal logic.
Former minister in the last Labour Government; Lord Digby Jones
Don't kid yourself that Jones is labour, he is a tory boy through and through. He was brought into browns laughable "government of talents" as a concession to big business to show that nu labour would dof their caps to capitalist demands.
His war cry when he was head of the CBI was always to blame government for businesses inability to train their staff. He is a right wing drum beater of the very worse kind, always demanding state assistance for corporate profits.
Just for the avoidance of doubt I haven't directed ANY critism at the Labour party over this Rahman issue. In fact the Labour party have been exemplary in expelling him and for the individuals who borough the prosectution against him. I support the calls from within the Labour party for Livingstone to be ejected also for his support of Rahman.
just5minutes - Member
Former minister in the last Labour Government; Lord Digby Jones, has made a rather explosive intervention in today's Telegraph that strikes to the core of Ed Milliband's understanding of how the economy works:Worth a read..
Is disappointed. God knows I tend to enjoy things that make the Labour party look stupid but this definitely wasn't one of them. More straw men than a farmer's field.
HSBC. They review their UK status every three years as a matter of course. Standard Chartered (90,000 employees worldwide 2,500 in UK) have faced calls from major shareholder Aberdeen Asset Management to do the same (largest shared holder is the Singapore Sovereign Wealth Fund FYI). The "bank levy" has increased massively since being introduced, its got the the point where it is making economic sense to relocate the HQ. HSBC is only here as it bought Midland Bank, prior HQ was always Hong Kong. Stan Chart is here due it's history as a bank established by Royal Charter to serve the Commonwealth/Empire, the rationale for being here today is much weaker and it created a dual listing on the Hong Kong stock exchange a few years ago.
jambalaya - MemberElectoral fraud is clearly a topic related to the General Election.
Well general election related electoral fraud hasn't made the headlines, if it's a hot topic as you appear to suggest, which is strange. And it wasn't what was being discussed on this thread. And the Rahman case has nothing to do with any general election, or any other parliamentary election.
But apart from that, yeah, I can see how it's related.
On a somewhat related topic let's talk about tax fraud ...... tax fraud and Tory politicians :
[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/09/hsbc-tax-swiss-leaks-mps_n_6644990.html ]Tories Defend Lord Green, Tory Peer Who Ran HSBC, Over Tax Evasion Allegations[/url]
[b][i]The Conservatives have mounted a robust defence of their former ministerial colleague Stephen Green, who was chairman of HSBC while the bank is alleged to have helped clients dodge tax payments totalling millions of pounds.[/i][/b]
Ernie, I reckon that if you can't see any parallels between Rahmans success in TH, and his bessie mates in Respect and their campaign in Bradford, then you've probably never been to Bradford!
Its difficult to gauge which claim is the most ludicrously, hysterically stupid.....
a) The SNP intend to use their evil influence in a coalition to turn Britain into a communist state
b) All those people are drowning in the sea off Italy because of Dave
Either way, its pretty depressing than rather than say anything remotely positive, they've now resorted to stuff as patently ridiculous as this. Its embarrassing!
No I have never been to Bradford Z-11. I don't regard a conviction for several offences related to electoral fraud as [i]"success in TH".[/i] And I now understand that you are directly accusing George Galloway of electoral fraud in Bradford. Although I'll wait until someone reports the accusation to the electoral commission, the police, whoever, before taking your allegation seriously.
Why?
Surely if anything I have said is untrue then he can sue me for Libel!
ninfan - MemberWhy?
Because shocking as it might seem I don't take what you say seriously. In fact I'm constantly amused by the bizarre claims that you make.
BTW Rahman won the mayoral election in Tower Hamlets by 3,252 votes, Galloway won Bradford West with a majority of 10,140 which obviously makes Rahman's fraud pale into insignificance in comparison.
You would have thought Galloway might have toned it down a shade, I mean winning by over 10,000 votes is just drawing attention to yourself.
Yet 20,000 voters have dropped off the Bradford electoral roll since last year when they put in place new anti-fraud measures...
ninfan - MemberYet 20,000 voters have dropped off the Bradford electoral roll since last year when they put in place new anti-fraud measures...
Posted 21 minutes ago #
Meaning what? That GG only won because he faked 20,000 voting registrations?
Especially as it hides HSBC s announcement that they might leave the uk over our potential exit from the EU, No party will want to discuss that at length
Kimbers - you are missing the main reason - regulation and the bank levy. HSBC are very vocal about the "burden" (sic) of regulation post the crisis and they and others are mightily pi44ed about the on-going levy. Which is ironic when the gov are painted as living in the pockets or pandering to the bankers!
Out of interest, what has happened to charming George? For a "high profile" politician, he seems remarkably quiet given the risks to his seat or are the bells of London already thrice calling?
Out of interest, what has happened to charming George? For a "high profile" politician, he seems remarkably quiet given the risks to his seat or are the bells of London already thrice calling?
Probably spending time at his house in Portugal instead of in his constituency, as per normal. He's already working on a plan-B (running for London mayor) once he loses his current seat.
GG is his seat precarious ? I coukd see him winning it again. As for profile he has all his TV work in Lebanon etc to keep him busy.
@duckman its relevant as the changes to voter registration where put in place to counter risk of appications and votes being cast by the "head of household" on behalf of the family members. Just the sort of thing that could happen in such a constituency
He is also a lawyer. And for Bradford,I could see the two main parties doing well from exactly the same law elsewhere,you know; SNP and Labour.
teamhurtmore - MemberOut of interest, what has happened to charming George? For a "high profile" politician, he seems remarkably quiet.......
According to just5minutes :
just5minutes - MemberPlenty on George G in the news - just search on google for news in the last 24 hours
Have you thought of checking google news if you're interested as you claim ?
Worth a read..
Dear Lord you scan all the papers and cherry pick the best Labour bashing piece you can find and even A labour hater can see the holes in it
D- See me after class
Have you thought of checking google news if you're interested as you claim ?
Gee thanks Ehrnie, you learn something every day. Its good that google thing isn't it....
Best used for something more interesting than the gorgeous one though....
teamhurtmore - MemberOut of interest, what has happened to charming George?
teamhurtmore - MemberGee thanks Ehrnie, you learn something every day. Its good that google thing isn't it....
Best used for something more interesting than the gorgeous one though....
Well make your mind up interested or not? Why ask questions concerning Galloway if you're not interested?
BTW is your spelling of my name now a permanent feature like your regular reference to Alex Salmond as "DO" ? Another THM joke which no one quite understands and only you find funny ?
Sorrry was a bit subtle - eh, Ernie? 😉
But thanks for the guidance anyway....
The humorous bit of the joke yes, the rest of the joke I understand.
I see the Tories are instigating Plan B, for if/when they lose. Or more likely, get more MPs elected than labour, but not a majority.
Apparently a party with fewer MP's than another party, but supported by another smaller party to make up a(n anti-Tory) majority, could not have any democratic legitimacy.
Well Dave... our constitution (such as it is) says it can.
I expect the right wing press will be absolutely hammering this line for the next couple of weeks, preparing the ground to undermine any Labour/SNP arrangement as illegitimate, before it's even happened 🙄
Nick Clegg is already "on message". It's almost like he's forgotten the LibDems used to be in favour of PR because it would end the two party system. 😀
Hopefully Clegg will lose and it will have **** all to do with him. I am starting to hate him like I hated Portillo
I recall newsnight doing a poll [ possibly first Lib Dem conference after the coalition] and 2/3 of activists would rather support labour than the Tories.
As for coalition I guess if you want to do "fairly" what you have to do is work out which combination has the most total votes rather than seats.
I suspect that will inevitably involve the Lib dems though.
Yes Nick Clegg has stated that any coalition formed by the second largest party would lack "legitimacy".
Other than that Clegg is happy for the third party to be in government with the Conservatives and then Labour and then back with the Conservatives, if need be, and so on.
In other words Clegg thinks that the third party has a "legitimate" right to be in government indefinitely if the arithmetic works out in their favour.
If nothing else his arrogance is impressive.
preparing the ground to undermine any Labour/SNP arrangement as illegitimate, before it's even happened
There was a nice article in the ?Graun? about this the other day. Did you read it? A link would be good but my google-foo is weak with a hangover.
In other words Clegg thinks that the third party has a "legitimate" right to be in government indefinitely if the arithmetic works out in their favour.If nothing else his arrogance is impressive.
Westminster do produce some very confident members of society.
There was a nice article in the ?Graun? about this the other day. Did you read it? A link would be good but my google-foo is weak with a hangover.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/17/general-election-2015-if-this-deadlock-holds-a-battle-is-coming-over-ed-milibands-legitimacy ]this one [/url]
Binners - did you forget Sturgeons reverse argument?
She told the BBC's Newsnight that "if [the Conservatives] can't command a majority, they can't be a government".
Hmmm....
They are all talking bllx. Good job we are not in a bit of a pickle with ongoing economic challenges and a rapidly deteriorating geopolitical environment
Binners that's my understanding, prior government / largest party gets first dibs on forming a government. This is where the SNP really hold labour back and let the Tories in.
She told the BBC's Newsnight that "if [the Conservatives] can't command a majority, they can't be a government".
Commanding a majority and having a majority are two different things.
No really...
Binners - did you forget Sturgeons reverse argument?
Has Sturgeon stated that if the Tories can't command a majority they would lack democratic legitimacy? If so where's the quote because the one you have provided doesn't say that?
In your quote Sturgeon is simply pointing out the obvious - that if they can't command a majority then the Tories can't form a government because the SNP will never work with them. In contrast she has repeatedly said that she will work with Labour should they fail to win a majority.
binners - MemberApparently a party with fewer MP's than another party, but supported by another smaller party to make up a(n anti-Tory) majority, could not have any democratic legitimacy.
The public will fall more easily under the sway of a big lie than a small one, eh... And yep, especially disappointing to see Clegg's position on this, though shouldn't be surprising.
Basically it's a steaming pile of obvious horseshit that they know works, because it already worked in the AV referendum.
The annoying thing is... Loads of labour people will want to work with it, Jim Murphy'll be going "that's what I've been saying all along!" frinstance.
Watch the actual interview - dear Nicola gets a little confused especially talking about minority governments at the same time. Talk about a bent narrative...
The ends justify the means...
dear Nicola gets a little confused
As confused as David Cameron was this morning in Croydon when he couldn't remember what football team he's a big fan of?
To remind us that he's just an ordinary geezer like your mates down the pub Cameron made a hilarious joke about supporting West Ham, unfortunately he had previously claimed to be a huge Aston Villa fan. A bit like that delicious pastie that he brought from an establishment that doesn't exist.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-david-cameron-forgets-if-hes-an-aston-villa-or-west-ham-fan-10203685.html ]General Election 2015: David Cameron forgets if he's an Aston Villa or West Ham fan[/url]
[b][i]"Reading from an autocue after the speech, Cameron said: “I had what Natalie Bennett described as a brain fade.[/i][/b]
A Natlie Bennett moment while reading from a prepared speech/autocue now [u]that's[/u] impressive.
But anyway forget about the LibDems or who the SNP might help to form a government according to Cameron this morning, quote :
[b][i]"It will be very difficult for us to form a government without Central Croydon".[/i][/b]
[url= http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/NEWS/12913760.David_Cameron_says_fate_of_country_rests_on_voting_for_Gavin_Barwell/ ]David Cameron says fate of country rests on voting for Gavin Barwell[/url]
So there you have it ........ forget Nick Clegg or Nicola Sturgeon, the people of Croydon will decide. Gawd bless'em.
No football fan forgets who they support. Your own kids birthdays will be forgotten first.
IIRC he said he supported Villa because his dad knew the Chairman...he likes to keep it real does our Dave
"if [the Conservatives] can't command a majority, they can't be a government".
Is that not just a statement of fact?
If you cannot command a majority then you cannort get your legislative programme through
Its completely different to saying you need to be first to form a govt.
Watch the actual interview
Debates really work better if you actually explain what you mean.
that's my understanding, prior government / largest party gets first dibs on forming a government
Well thats [ potentially] two different things going first Both the largest party and the prior govt. 😕
Yes politicians shouldnt pretend they are interestd in Wendy or music. They get caught out. But slightly less embarrassing that subterfuge on how voting works. Still if you don't understand how currencies or debt markets work, there is no real surprise if the rest is out of reach.
