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Dear god! I bet Dave has it on constant loop, while he cracks the bubbly open and celebrates the next election being in the bag
Absolutely pathetic! It's depressing that the party was so hollowed out from the inside by brown and blair that that is the best it can muster. We're all DOOMED! 🙁
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/ed_miliband_cut_short/
"According to Sky journalist Glen Oglaza, Labour leader Ed disappeared from screens just as he uttered the words: "My message to the British people is...."
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He's the Labour party's Ian Duncan-Smith.
People watch conference speeches?
he's like an Alan Partridge who never says or does anything funny
utter tool
Piss off back to Germany Ed.
woman in the street being harrassed by a reporter on c4 news just now looked at his photo and said "he's a wet lettuce, he'll never be PM".
pretty much, yeah.
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Damn.. you beat me to it...
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Ok, so this was a very forgetable speech unsurprisingly. Reading the FT's scrolling text makes you want to weep.But we can forgive dear Ed as he is without doubt Labour's IDS. But what is not so easy to forgive is when any political party tries to pull the wool over our eyes.
Cue the speech from the surprisingly articulate Rory Weal. Didn't it just strike you as being a little to well presented from someone who, " had nothing, no money, no savings. I owe my entire wellbeing and that of my family to the welfare state, that very same welfare state that is being ruthlessly ripped apart.”
The depths to which politicians will stoop to. So "poor'' old Rory "Welfare State" Weal was in fact:
1. Independently educated for most of his school life at Colfe's
2. Was so strapped for cash that he lived in a £500,000 house (poor lamb)
3. Father owned Jonathan Weal recruitment, 'til it went bust
Now of course, the above came from the Daily Torygraph so may need to be treated with some caution. But isn't this another example of the deceit that political parties think that they can get away with.
Another staged managed fiasco. But perhaps a good example for independent and then grammar schoool education for dear Harriet H to note.
He's the Labour party's Ian Duncan-Smith.
That's a bit unfair - he's nowhere near as bad
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you do have to wonder about a major political party you elects such a damp dreary squib as their leader...
He will sweep all aside in a quiet man revolution of nasal ennui
I was thinking about this the other day - do you think alot of people voted for him as they were happy enough for him to have his turn when they weren't in power.
Tories make all the cuts - labour sit back and vote this tool in - wait on a few elections - dump Ed and vote David in whilst the public are sick of tories - massive change under another spun "new labour" type bandwagon.
Jobs a good un. They're back and with a media savy popular leader '97 all over again.
Didn't realise Ed was such a big Maggie fan either:-
"Some of what happened in the 1980s was right. It was right to let people buy their council houses. It was right to cut tax rates of 60, 70, 80 percent. And it was right to change the rules on the closed shop, on strikes before ballots. These changes were right, and we were wrong to oppose it at the time."
no he was STV in action you get someone no one really likes but no one really hates either
They won't waste a decent leader while they have no chance of winning an election! He'll be out on his ear when there's a sniff of victory.
Miliband makes dull speech shocker 🙄
However Dave couldn't win an overall majority against the most unpopular PM in living memory so I doubt he has much to crow about.
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I just can't listen to him - his lithp is unbelievably annoying.
On an emotional scale, the only thing that equals my pleasure in seeing an unelectable Labour Party is the despair I feel whenever I remember that the Tories are now in charge.
Whoever is in charge is guaranteed to suck.
"Do we want to live in a country where bad things happen to good people? That doesn't sound right to me. Meanwhile, I've discovered there are people in Britain who really aren't very nice at all and so I think the bad things should be happening to them. Who's with me?"
Pledging 'a new thing for Britain', Mr Miliband said that Labour can win the next election if they can get just enough people to agree that everything should be really good all the time.
"For instance, have you noticed that some of the things on television aren't very good? Surely there should only be good things on television? And lots of great adverts with nice music that you remember the next day."
He also called on supermarkets to make sure all the food in their shops is the sort of stuff that everyone likes and that things should not be so expensive, especially for nice people.
And he said that looters, hackers and expenses fraudsters are all bad people and it is about time some of them were exposed, arrested and imprisoned for a change.
"In this day and age decent people who have not hacked, looted or frauded should not be going to jail. It's a disgrace is what it is."
FPMSL 😆
His speech reminded me of something John Major would have said, and I think he sounds like John Major with a lisp.
It just makes me angry to listen to him. To think that I am going to have to vote for him (albeit indirectly) in two or three years time. How depressing. What a bunch of losers. I think it might be a bit better if he'd just blow his bloody nose.
And don't get me started on that git Balls.
I've never been so ashamed of the Labour party.
Milliband is a cockwipe
He is in cricketing terms a night watchman, if he gets out so what, if he makes a few runs great!
I personally can't see him getting many runs though! 😆
whats everyone worried about Ed for? Cameron is going to be in power for 20 years and will save the world.
Chill Winston(s).
He may well do lol
It was right to let people buy their council houses
No, it wasn't. It removed affordable, rented accommodation from the housing pool.
Oh and all the derogatory comments about Ed +1. Complete and utter waste of space. No policies, no firm ideas, no point.
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Thank the **** I don't have to vote for them.
He's an absolute disaster... Maybe it's part of some longterm plan. But finding that of the 3 main party leaders Cameron's the one I've got the most time for is frankly horrible.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-15104173 ]Good old whasisname.. I'll never forget whasisname...[/url]
Mind you, the BBC reporter saying that "[i]some of [b]us[/b] here still want to have a big-hitter enter the race...[/i]" shows where those in the mainstream media have their allegiances.
He got a right slating in the R5 phone in yesterday [url] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b0150gf9 [/url]
Worth listening too (skip the news first) just for the lack of composure or ability to speak from the Labour candidate 'Hazel'.
Blimey, if LeftyTrackWorld think he's a disaster then Labour really are screwed 😯
His voice grated me. Sounded like someone stressed trying to make a sales presentation at the International Vacuum cleaner convention.
LOL @ allthepies..............how true.
I don't think there has ever been a politician so totally devoid of personality, passion or policy.
Give me the Bullingdon boys anyday.
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*That last bit may not actually be true 😉
Blimey, if LeftyTrackWorld think he's a disaster then Labour really are screwed
I was amazed how nobody stepped in to defend Labour when we were slating Balls-up - maybe nobody fancied defending the indefensible?
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/balls-lies-again
Tories make all the cuts
Oh right, the cuts. And what cuts would they be, exactly?
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-cuts-the-cuts
I've never been so ashamed of the Labour party.
How old are you? One and a half?
I particularly enjoyed the successful transcendence of darling Anthony
Saint Tony, last great hope of the party, great reformer, triple election winning, youngest prime minister in a century, longest serving prime minister, leader of the boom, saviour of the NHS, good friday agreement, minimum wage introducing, human rights act, Scottish and welsh devolution delivering hero of the party...
...to pantomime baddy (boo, hiss!)
Nice work Ed 😈
His piece on the 10 oclock news last night had an interesting line 'hey I'm a serious guy with a serious message' - you can say that all you want but no one will take you serioulsy.
For the labour partyyh to have any hope of winning the next election then they need a strong, charismatic leader.
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Piss off back to Germany Ed.
I'm sorry but I think you'll have to explain this to me. Surely you're not suggesting that Ed isn't British? Because the last time I checked he was. And if you were trying to make an oh-so-clever reference to Ralph Miliband being a Jewish refugee in the 1940s... well then it might be worth knowing that he was born in Belgium.
Ignorant and stupid.
What was even more bizarre than him - and lets be honest, he's very odd - was all the shadow cabinet ministers falling over each other on the news programmes to hail his speech as some kind of Churchillian oratory. Despite all the obvious evidence to the contrary.
All a bit North Korea, and praising the glorious leader at all costs.
Oh right, the cuts. And what cuts would they be, exactly?
Well its not cuts to unemployment is it
It is disingenous to suggest budgets have not been slashed the public sector shrunk and unemeployemnt caused by the actions.
Even the politicians admitted it was cuts and did not want to pin dance like the right wing do on this issue.
It also depends on whichc dept you look at as to whether there was cuts or actual increases but the news is just full or redundnacioes and shrinking jobs so it seems reasonable to call it cuts.
I assume even the right wing have noticed we have less planes, less ships and no ships with planes for example. I suspect that would be a cut to most people even if the navy budget has increased by 12 p over the parliament.
Shall we just stick to agreeing that ed is shit ?
Shall we just stick to agreeing that ed is shit ?
Sounds like a plan - something we can all agree on. He is arguably the best Ed in the shadow cabinet though.
Labour didn't lose the last election, G.Brown did. People didn't vote Tory, they voted 'not Gordon'.
as unpopular as Gordon was, it still wasn't enough to give the Tories a proper win - hence the coalition.
with the right leader (eg, Dave), labour would have had 5 easy years in opposition, and then sailed into a massive landslide GE win.
it was the biggest open goal in political history, but they ****ed it up.
(it's simple, get rid of Gordon, wait 5 years while the tories do all the nasty stuff.
Say nice things, criticise the tories while they do nasty things, win the election, easy)
it was the biggest open goal in political history, but they ****ed it up.
Exactly. It just seems so bizarre how rubbish they are. I'd suggest it's a bit like the Torys in the late '90s, but it's not - that was the whole party being rubbish, where it seems Labour ought to be capable if they but had some decent people in charge.
By "Dave" do you mean big brother or CMD?
Dave Milliband.
whose policies/whatever may or may not have been any better than/different from Ed's, but people like him.
Sadly ahwiles is right. I'm begining to think the majority of people who vote are incapable of holding political grudges.
Lets face it. Who introduced tuition fees again? A Labour party who doesn't want the intelligent from the poorer classes to advance?
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
Imagine if GB had won and stayed in power? We'd have a unwieldy massive public sector a la Greece situation in no time as part of his 'growing the economy with job creation'.
Exactly. It just seems so bizarre how rubbish they are.
Quite. If a party is incapable of something as relatively simple as appointing an electable leader (Brown and now Moribund) you have to question its judgement on every aspect of politics and its ability to govern effectively.
If a party is incapable of something as relatively simple as appointing an electable leader
Its the big flaw with democracy. To win you have to get idiots to vote for you, unfortunately sometimes they a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
I wouldn't I'd try to blame Labour
Selling off council houses was not wrong, selling off council houses at a massive discount and then not reinvesting the money into small scale dispersed social housing (to break up the ghettos and mix up neighbourhoods) was wrong, as is allowing people on good wages to remain in subsidised housing whilst others earning the same struggle in the private sector and people with less can't get the social housing they need.
Back to the main debate, been said a few times but if CMD is the best on offer we're all doooooooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeeeedddddddd.......
PS is Sillyband old enough to drive yet?
Best thing is, David can hardly play Brutus against his own brother can he?
so we're left with the "who's going to replace red Ed" lottery
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There's your votewinner 😆
I think most of the would-be-labour-but-theyre-shit-too voters miss the elephant in the room.
Labour either go "left" (nominally that is what the Union supported Ed Millimetre was supposed to achieve, but he cant even manage that) and continue into unelectable oblivion* or go "right" (with David, Millibar, say) to steal votes from the tories for vote stealing sake (rather than any fundamental political conviction), and try to out middle-ground the tories.
* Im sorry, but even all the STW lefties arent enough to bring a full socialist agenda to No. 10. As much as the nation will take some socialist politic, they wont swallow enough of it to please the left side of the Labour party.
a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband
And what a sad reflection on the Labour Party that is. Pathetic 🙄
Labour either go "left" (nominally that is what the Union supported Ed Millimetre was supposed to achieve, but he cant even manage that) and continue into unelectable oblivion* or go "right" (with David, Millibar, say) to steal votes from the tories for vote stealing sake (rather than any fundamental political conviction), and try to out middle-ground the tories.
But what exactly is wrong with the latter? A lot of people would like something a bit to the "left" of the current government, but not loony left. Just because that would be further right than the majority of people in the Labour party want doesn't mean it's lacking in political conviction (I presume most Tory party members similarly think the Tory party has gone too far to the left). The old political conundrum - people involved in politics have a tendency to see things in black and white - most ordinary people prefer grey.
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
Dave has made it clear a number of times he wont have a go at the bankers so you may be weeing in the wind with that one Hora. As gideon/the tories [ if stoner can do childish names surely I can use his given name for ridicule?] supported the budget plans and agreed to match the spending [ whilst praisng Ireland ]before the banking collapse it will be pretty hard for then to argue argue otherwise tbh.
As for political grudges perhaps you are helping balance this out with yours?
Re left and right. It seems obvious the active supporters of each oparty ar emor eleft or rioght wing than the general populace. theones who win elections are swing voters hence they have always been fighting over th emiddle ground. this "consensus"ly ground may move marginally to the right or the left but it is where elections are won. Hence , despite the obvious differences, most of the policies are pretty similiar only the flavour/emphasis varies tbh
Then again I appear not to speak for the masses, as I like Nick Clegg, and am actually more likely to vote Lib Dem than before the last election...
The old political conundrum - people involved in politics have a tendency to do things which they think will get them re-elected [s]see things in black and white[/s] - most ordinary people prefer grey.
There we go 😉
nurse he has forgotten to take his medication 😯
Which of his broken promises and lies make you like him more?
TBh I dont care about his hue, any politiican you cannot trust is worthless. I could never vote for him again and yes I have [ or the party at least]
* Im sorry, but even all the STW lefties arent enough to bring a full socialist agenda to No. 10. As much as the nation will take some socialist politic, they wont swallow enough of it to please the left side of the Labour party.
but remember that most people DO vote for something leftish, but the leftish vote is split between the liberals, and labour.
so while the lefties can't decide who to vote for, liberal/labour/liberal/labour - the tories get all the rightish votes, and end up winning more often than they would if we had a simple left/right choice.
sorry, I missed off my point, which was that if woolly leftism of the Milliband D. variety is the vote winner, but the labour leadership and manifesto is controlled by the labour card carriers, then it's not going to be a unsatisfactory win-ish/win-ish kind of result for labour any time soon, but a lose a lot/lose a lot one for quite a while.
The Party Left think it's their time to take the political ground again, it isnt, its their obligation to get labour elected again.
What about a centre/centre choice? no left or right. Is it even possible?
Could we have a party not in the pockets of the city or the unions?
Could we have a party not in the pockets of the city or the unions?
You've already had that. New Labour. They were in the pockets of the city [b]AND[/b] the unions
And look where that got us
not sure either is in the pocket tbh but they do need them for funding.
The last liberal govt date and the success of the party of late would strongly suggest the answer is no
now [i]that's[/i] progressive for you 😉
not sure either is in the pocket tbh but they do need them for funding.
Maybe the wrong wording, but none are likely to bite the hand that feeds them
The last liberal govt date and the success of the party of late would strongly suggest the answer is no
I was under the impression that a lot of the lib dems financial support came from big business (and fraudsters!)?
I was under the impression that a lot of the lib dems financial support came from selling beards at the local village craft fayre
ahwiles: but remember that most people DO vote for something leftish, but the leftish vote is split between the liberals, and labour.
I don't think this is actually the case. IIRC, Lib Dem supporters split pretty evenly left/right (for want of better terms).
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she stepped out in front of me on my bike last year.. could of taken her out of play... damn!
Thinking about this 'political spectrum' thing, I have a serious question for the English/Welsh/NornIrish.... have you ever had a look at the policies and actions of the SNP? Forget the whole independence thing for the moment and look at the rest. Would you vote for a party with those policies?
As far as I have, and that's not far, i always thought of SNP policies as being unfunded fantasies much of the time.
They have the same policies as everyone would have if they were safe in the knowledge that somebody else will be picking up the tab
This is all very well, but as someone mentioned before - where the hell IS ernie?
In Liverpool 🙂
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Never mind folks, you could always have Ed Balls instead.
Since their loss of position, has Labour said anything that wasn't just whinging about the coalition policies?
I would never go to my boss and say : its broken
I would say: Its broken, and this is what it will cost to fix, or we buy this other one...
if you get my meaning.
Right now all Labour BOIL MY &!$$
And what a sad reflection on the Labour Party that is. Pathetic
sorry woody I clicked prematurely the full text reads :-
a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband, Major, Hague, Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Howard, David Cameron, Nick Clegg etc etc
He's just a place filler while they get a real leader. Absolutely unconvincing middle class representative to me. Why doesn't the Labour party get people who have done actual work any more?
BTW why is the British Labour Party using a rose as their emblem? - that is an exclusively English badge as far as most Scots are concerned. Probably an accurate reflection of their focus over the last 10 years though...
It might explain why Labour are not getting votes in Scotland, and maybe the Welsh are the same.
Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.
Eric Pickles looks like an enormous thumb! What's he done now?
Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.
😆 😆 - you sir are presumably a Labour supporter and wearing your optimistic pants this morning.