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Dave Milliband.
whose policies/whatever may or may not have been any better than/different from Ed's, but people like him.
Sadly ahwiles is right. I'm begining to think the majority of people who vote are incapable of holding political grudges.
Lets face it. Who introduced tuition fees again? A Labour party who doesn't want the intelligent from the poorer classes to advance?
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
Imagine if GB had won and stayed in power? We'd have a unwieldy massive public sector a la Greece situation in no time as part of his 'growing the economy with job creation'.
Exactly. It just seems so bizarre how rubbish they are.
Quite. If a party is incapable of something as relatively simple as appointing an electable leader (Brown and now Moribund) you have to question its judgement on every aspect of politics and its ability to govern effectively.
If a party is incapable of something as relatively simple as appointing an electable leader
Its the big flaw with democracy. To win you have to get idiots to vote for you, unfortunately sometimes they a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
I wouldn't I'd try to blame Labour
Selling off council houses was not wrong, selling off council houses at a massive discount and then not reinvesting the money into small scale dispersed social housing (to break up the ghettos and mix up neighbourhoods) was wrong, as is allowing people on good wages to remain in subsidised housing whilst others earning the same struggle in the private sector and people with less can't get the social housing they need.
Back to the main debate, been said a few times but if CMD is the best on offer we're all doooooooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeeeedddddddd.......
PS is Sillyband old enough to drive yet?
Best thing is, David can hardly play Brutus against his own brother can he?
so we're left with the "who's going to replace red Ed" lottery
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There's your votewinner 😆
I think most of the would-be-labour-but-theyre-shit-too voters miss the elephant in the room.
Labour either go "left" (nominally that is what the Union supported Ed Millimetre was supposed to achieve, but he cant even manage that) and continue into unelectable oblivion* or go "right" (with David, Millibar, say) to steal votes from the tories for vote stealing sake (rather than any fundamental political conviction), and try to out middle-ground the tories.
* Im sorry, but even all the STW lefties arent enough to bring a full socialist agenda to No. 10. As much as the nation will take some socialist politic, they wont swallow enough of it to please the left side of the Labour party.
a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband
And what a sad reflection on the Labour Party that is. Pathetic 🙄
Labour either go "left" (nominally that is what the Union supported Ed Millimetre was supposed to achieve, but he cant even manage that) and continue into unelectable oblivion* or go "right" (with David, Millibar, say) to steal votes from the tories for vote stealing sake (rather than any fundamental political conviction), and try to out middle-ground the tories.
But what exactly is wrong with the latter? A lot of people would like something a bit to the "left" of the current government, but not loony left. Just because that would be further right than the majority of people in the Labour party want doesn't mean it's lacking in political conviction (I presume most Tory party members similarly think the Tory party has gone too far to the left). The old political conundrum - people involved in politics have a tendency to see things in black and white - most ordinary people prefer grey.
If I was Cameron I'd remind the voters on a daily basis who exactly got us into this collious debt in the first place.
Dave has made it clear a number of times he wont have a go at the bankers so you may be weeing in the wind with that one Hora. As gideon/the tories [ if stoner can do childish names surely I can use his given name for ridicule?] supported the budget plans and agreed to match the spending [ whilst praisng Ireland ]before the banking collapse it will be pretty hard for then to argue argue otherwise tbh.
As for political grudges perhaps you are helping balance this out with yours?
Re left and right. It seems obvious the active supporters of each oparty ar emor eleft or rioght wing than the general populace. theones who win elections are swing voters hence they have always been fighting over th emiddle ground. this "consensus"ly ground may move marginally to the right or the left but it is where elections are won. Hence , despite the obvious differences, most of the policies are pretty similiar only the flavour/emphasis varies tbh
Then again I appear not to speak for the masses, as I like Nick Clegg, and am actually more likely to vote Lib Dem than before the last election...
The old political conundrum - people involved in politics have a tendency to do things which they think will get them re-elected [s]see things in black and white[/s] - most ordinary people prefer grey.
There we go 😉
nurse he has forgotten to take his medication 😯
Which of his broken promises and lies make you like him more?
TBh I dont care about his hue, any politiican you cannot trust is worthless. I could never vote for him again and yes I have [ or the party at least]
* Im sorry, but even all the STW lefties arent enough to bring a full socialist agenda to No. 10. As much as the nation will take some socialist politic, they wont swallow enough of it to please the left side of the Labour party.
but remember that most people DO vote for something leftish, but the leftish vote is split between the liberals, and labour.
so while the lefties can't decide who to vote for, liberal/labour/liberal/labour - the tories get all the rightish votes, and end up winning more often than they would if we had a simple left/right choice.
sorry, I missed off my point, which was that if woolly leftism of the Milliband D. variety is the vote winner, but the labour leadership and manifesto is controlled by the labour card carriers, then it's not going to be a unsatisfactory win-ish/win-ish kind of result for labour any time soon, but a lose a lot/lose a lot one for quite a while.
The Party Left think it's their time to take the political ground again, it isnt, its their obligation to get labour elected again.
What about a centre/centre choice? no left or right. Is it even possible?
Could we have a party not in the pockets of the city or the unions?
Could we have a party not in the pockets of the city or the unions?
You've already had that. New Labour. They were in the pockets of the city [b]AND[/b] the unions
And look where that got us
not sure either is in the pocket tbh but they do need them for funding.
The last liberal govt date and the success of the party of late would strongly suggest the answer is no
now [i]that's[/i] progressive for you 😉
not sure either is in the pocket tbh but they do need them for funding.
Maybe the wrong wording, but none are likely to bite the hand that feeds them
The last liberal govt date and the success of the party of late would strongly suggest the answer is no
I was under the impression that a lot of the lib dems financial support came from big business (and fraudsters!)?
I was under the impression that a lot of the lib dems financial support came from selling beards at the local village craft fayre
ahwiles: but remember that most people DO vote for something leftish, but the leftish vote is split between the liberals, and labour.
I don't think this is actually the case. IIRC, Lib Dem supporters split pretty evenly left/right (for want of better terms).
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she stepped out in front of me on my bike last year.. could of taken her out of play... damn!
Thinking about this 'political spectrum' thing, I have a serious question for the English/Welsh/NornIrish.... have you ever had a look at the policies and actions of the SNP? Forget the whole independence thing for the moment and look at the rest. Would you vote for a party with those policies?
As far as I have, and that's not far, i always thought of SNP policies as being unfunded fantasies much of the time.
They have the same policies as everyone would have if they were safe in the knowledge that somebody else will be picking up the tab
This is all very well, but as someone mentioned before - where the hell IS ernie?
In Liverpool 🙂
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Never mind folks, you could always have Ed Balls instead.
Since their loss of position, has Labour said anything that wasn't just whinging about the coalition policies?
I would never go to my boss and say : its broken
I would say: Its broken, and this is what it will cost to fix, or we buy this other one...
if you get my meaning.
Right now all Labour BOIL MY &!$$
And what a sad reflection on the Labour Party that is. Pathetic
sorry woody I clicked prematurely the full text reads :-
a) don't have any real alternatives b)vote for what doesn't scare them. Result = Milliband, Major, Hague, Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Howard, David Cameron, Nick Clegg etc etc
He's just a place filler while they get a real leader. Absolutely unconvincing middle class representative to me. Why doesn't the Labour party get people who have done actual work any more?
BTW why is the British Labour Party using a rose as their emblem? - that is an exclusively English badge as far as most Scots are concerned. Probably an accurate reflection of their focus over the last 10 years though...
It might explain why Labour are not getting votes in Scotland, and maybe the Welsh are the same.
Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.
Eric Pickles looks like an enormous thumb! What's he done now?
Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.
😆 😆 - you sir are presumably a Labour supporter and wearing your optimistic pants this morning.
Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.
Because of [i]bin collection[/i]? I doubt it. Or is it something that matters which I've missed?
you sir are presumably a Labour supporter and wearing your optimistic pants this morning
Wrong on both counts. I do however, hate the ****ing tories with a passion, especially ones who can announce that they've managed to find a quarter of a billion £'s to fund weekly bin collections the same day that 1000 naval personnel are being told they've been made redundant.
Christ! The Daily Mail must be close to orgasmic. Bin collection being, in their eyes, number one on the political agenda. Bins seem to foaming right-wing nutters, be what fox-hunting is to lefties
Can only those to the right of you be "foaming nutters", binners? Or is it fair to say that there's a fair share of swivel eyed loons on every part of the political spectrum?
Perception is a funny thing.
I'm no leftie but I'm happy with fortnightly bin collection (it encourages us to recycle IMO) and hate fox hunting.
I also oppose any privatisation of schools and the NHS.
There are indeed nutters on both sides Flashy. That's why I included the fox-hunting analogy. I never understood people getting so apoplectic about the subject. Apart from on a purely class war basis. The fact that so much parliamentry time was devoted to it is insane in my eyes
Same as the whole bins thing. Whats the problem? I don't really get the Daily Mail "IT IS MY DIVINE RIGHT TO NOT RECYCLE ANYTHING AND THROW OUT AS MUCH SHIT AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE!!!"
and then expecting to be applauded for that statement
I think we have to agree re hunting Binners, though I suspect from different angles. An absurd pandering to class warriors on the left and a total waste of parliamentary time when there were better things to focus on. Much the same as this bin issue. It's hardly the most pressing matter du jour, now is it?
The bins thing is a good move, its the first step in the master plan that means [b]you[/b] don't need to do the recycling, it gets shipped direct to [i]"Her Majesties Prison and Central Recycling Depot"[/i] where good use is put to all that wasted manpower!
Now then the real political genius was the 80mph speed limit - which we all know is a mandatory standardisation dictat from Europe so that we match the continental 130kph limit - but the Conservative party can never admit to it being a rule from Europe, so have glossed it over as their own initiative, (Tin foil hat firmly on!) and cleverly released on the day when the six-o'clock news and following newspaper headlines would have all been all about Harperson's rousing speech closing the Labour conference, and pegging her as the natural successor to red Ed...
Instead however, Harpersons speech didn't hit the headlines at all, and our abiding memory of conference will be this massacre:
Unfortunately Captain, I suspect in Call-me-Daves Chipping Norton, Daily Mail-land it probably [i]is[/i] the most pressing matter
More Tunbridge Wells than the Nortons, Binners! 😉