Rp’s post above +1
well, just back form a cycle there, came back through the town, sauchiehall street jammed with people. If I was a betting man, I'd bet on shops getting shut next.
If I was a betting man, I’d bet on shops getting shut next.
Hopefully not. Retail definitely won't survive another closure and putting millions more out work will have far worse consequences the leaving things as they are. It's almost like you think face coverings are utterly pointless and don't make any real difference to transmission.
Me? I think they offer limited help to protect others and wear one when in crowded places (prefer just avoiding crowded places as a better course of action tbh), but they won't stop the rise on their own.
Anyhow, All i'm saying is it's the next logical step if these measures don't work. Hopefully they do and it's a moot point.
They could usefully reintroduce the "one shopper per household" rule for supermarkets again. It's nonsense having a 2m rule while there are family groups in, especially when they are scattering throughout the store.
^^^ I hate to think what the Aviemore Tesco is like right now .... cramped at the best of times, add in 2m distancing and changeover day at the beginning of the school holiday week.. 🙄
Me? I think they offer limited help to protect others and wear one when in crowded places (prefer just avoiding crowded places as a better course of action tbh), but they won’t stop the rise on their own.
There seems to be some evidence that they reduce viral load and therefore severity of disease if you get infected by that route. Although like so much else to do with covid we still don't know enough about that.
What's it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here, know about 5 people, including my auld man that have got it in the last week. Loads been told to self isolate.
A lot closer to home this time round anyhow.
Never knew anyone before this. I said last time, bet you there's few that know a lot of people with it and the majority won't know many . hmm, defo true.
I hate to think what the Aviemore Tesco is like right now
I never use it Iain. As you say, cramped in the best of circumstances.
What’s it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here
I don't personally know anyone who has contracted it since April. No stories of local outbreaks since Grantown on Spey which was a few weeks back and died out pretty quickly.
One person I know with confirmed covid. Very unfortunate circumstances and potentially serious.
We have one person in our department who's just returned. Last time only one person caught it. That's out of about 150odd folk on a site of many times that.
I had no idea 2m wasn't a thing any more, in fairness most folk were still playing the game. School drop off is turning into a riot though.
As for pubs, they got a free pass for months whilst everyone else was stuck with their thumbs up their arse, yes it's bad for the folk with no furlough to fall back in this time but welcome to the world, plenty of folk never had it first time round. That doesn't make it right but I'd like to hope it makes it a hotter issue.
Jason Leitch tells it like it is:
Scotland's national clinical director, Prof Jason Leitch, said he had "absolute sympathy for every sector that has had to take a hit".
But he told BBC Scotland's Off The Ball programme: "I also have sympathy for the thousand people who caught the virus yesterday, and the five people who died and their families. So all things are relative.
"Yes, we absolutely want every industry to get back to normal - football, elite sport, pubs and hospitality, oil and gas, everything.
"But there comes a time when the numbers reach a certain point and you've got to do things you don't want to do."
seosamh77 - when you say it's rife, how many of those you are aware of are asymptomatic?
3 I don't really know how they are getting on just friends of friends, 2 as far as I've heard have very mild symptoms, so do have some, but I don't know specifics or get too regularly updated. My auld man isn't doing great tbh. very up and down, when down very fatigued, lost appetite and taste, headaches, for the last while, not changing much. I'll be wanting him to have a word with a doc on monday if not any better, just to get some advice. Got him a thermometer and pulse ox meter, just to keep an eye on those things, as I think they'll be indicators if he's getting worse or not. Just need to see what happens.
So defo 6, now I think about it, that I know with positive tests in the last week, there's been a few others over the last month as well, don't know too much about them though, just people you hear of, know distantly.
tbh I would imagine most have symptoms, not really meant to get a test unless you are symptomatic, no?
, not really meant to get a test unless you are symptomatic, no?
That's my understanding .
Probably just down to more testing Joe.
I can't think of anyone I know who I've heard of being positive, lots of anecdotal stuff around though. There's a shit load of footballers now as well!.
I knew of a couple in early summer, a couple in my running club who both recovered, and a friend from my old workplace who sadly didn't. 😔
All government decisions should be announced on Off The Ball, it works great.
gobuchul
Free MemberSo we need to fully lockdown again until we have vaccine?
We have never "fully locked down" in the first place. One of the problems in the UK in general, we did a wishy-washy half-lockdown that sort of worked, then we stopped it too early, and now people think both that lockdowns don't work, and that every inconvenience is terrible because it's almost as bad as the "full lockdown".
I think if we'd ever had a real lockdown, we'd have taken the freedom that follows much more seriously.
I think if we’d ever had a real lockdown, we’d have taken the freedom that follows much more seriously.
Unfortunately I doubt it.
What’s it like round peoples areas this time anyhow? Utterly rife around here, know about 5 people, including my auld man that have got it in the last week. Loads been told to self isolate.
Positive case in our school staff this week. Not someone I'd had any contact with but several other staff and pupils now isolating. Brings it home somewhat.
We have never “fully locked down” in the first place. One of the problems in the UK in general, we did a wishy-washy half-lockdown that sort of worked, then we stopped it too early, and now people think both that lockdowns don’t work, and that every inconvenience is terrible because it’s almost as bad as the “full lockdown”.
So you don't want to "live with it" and the UK didn't do "full lockdown", what do you suggest?
Welding doors shut to keep people inside?
Shut everything down and just accept all of the issues with that to "stop" the virus?
Until we have the vaccine then as soon as we lift controls it will spread again.
So total lockdown until next Spring? That won't cause any issues will it?
4 staff out of a wee bit over 80 total last term and a few kids as well, most linked to an outbreak in a local engineers. One kid also known as "the germ" for however long he stays with us for his non-masked-hinging-with-covid ways. My other half got it in April along with a pile of colleagues from an old lady they took to Dundee,tested negative and brought back to her ward. Having seen the kicking it gave her ( cyclist/tri and trail half marathon runner) and continues to do,it looks awful. Hope your Dad gets better soon SS77.
61 cases in Shetland over all out of 23,000 people. A few cases have been attributed to us though due to the people being registered here, but not here when infected. Last cases a few weeks back. I know two of the people through work, the only other person I personally know who's had it is someone I know in Holland.
Delays in NHS services have affected me, but not a much/seriously as others. Review of meds with cardiologist is 4 months over due, but no real issue.
Biggest issue is I can't get my steroid injections in my wrists as injection clinics are not running and when I rang to ask they have no idea when they will restart. It means I struggle with manual tasks due to pain (when bad struggle to use a knife/fork) and riding is restricted to road (and suffer after), off road is just not possible.
I know its people's businesses and living, but in no way can I see access to alcohol being essential. Education is vital for a whole range of reasons and has long term knock on issues for, what millions(?)
So you don’t want to “live with it” and the UK didn’t do “full lockdown”, what do you suggest?
Welding doors shut to keep people inside?
Shut everything down and just accept all of the issues with that to “stop” the virus?
AFAIK nobody needed their doors welding in Spain. That's the alternative. That's what full lockdown looks like. Nobody allowed out save for essential errands. Ours was more like their stage 3.
AFAIK nobody needed their doors welding in Spain.
But their numbers weren't much different from ours?
Especially when you consider population density.
Also they have a much warmer climate, which does make a difference as well.
Nobody allowed out save for essential errands
So you want to close the schools again?
Close the cancer clinics?
Finish off retail?
Finish theatre and cinema?
All the mental health issues?
This thing is not going away until there is a vaccine and/or herd immunity.
I'm just about to come out of app notified isolation got a test negative. What I didn't get was I seemed to be the only one told.to isolate. Then I heard that some staff were saying they'd deleted the app as they'd heard that school staff were not to use it.
This thing is not going away until there is a vaccine and/or herd immunity.
And there's no guarentee of either of those things... so until things are better known and understood, it's a balancing act of surpressing the virus vs the economy / societal issues / other health issues / etc
And there’s no guarentee of either of those things
No, but there's definitely grounds for optimism on the vaccine front I think.
No, but there’s definitely grounds for optimism on the vaccine front I think.
Aye, I think that's one of the reasons we seem to be just nursing this along, and not having drastic action.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may.
Now thats bonkers.
There’s a reason pubs on Arran are shut. That’s were all the Weegies go and Weegieland is the Covid hotspot of Scotland.
Wife got a bit nervous in Fort Augustus today when a family passed with broad weegie accents. Luckily it was outside, plenty of ventilation 🤪
There’s a reason pubs on Arran are shut. That’s were all the Weegies go and Weegieland is the Covid hotspot of Scotland
Aye, that would explain all the cases there. Good logic.
Oh so I need to spell it out....doh. Pubs shut in Weegieland, pubs open on Arran. Recipe for disaster... as it’s only a short hop away.
Not really, the ferry is only at 20% capacity, you need to book well in advance, even as a foot passenger, and people can still drink at home, I wouldn't see it being an issue.
I know a couple of pub owners over there, really feel for them tbh.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may
Responsible pub land lords at their best.
Oh no wait. Geographical area. Can't change that.
Your quite right it is very tough on the responsible hospitality folk. What should happen is the government should fully support the shut downs to ensure the businesses survive.
I suppose all the weegies will all go to Sinbads in Dunoon now 🤪
aberdeenlune
Free Member
Oh so I need to spell it out….doh. Pubs shut in Weegieland, pubs open on Arran. Recipe for disaster… as it’s only a short hop away.
There wouldn't be a mass exodus to arran just for a couple of pubs 😆
So you want to close the schools again?
Close the cancer clinics?
Finish off retail?
Finish theatre and cinema?
All the mental health issues?
No.
I was explaining the difference between a lockdown and what we experienced.
None of those industries need to be "finished off", it's a purely political choice to stand by with their thumbs up their arse doing nothing. But FWIW I do think we could stand to trim some fat, I sure as hell wouldn't be sad to see the back of the Braeheads* and Silverburns of the world. Don't talk to me about mental health, people with far bigger issues have been getting ignored for years already, this is nothing new.
Maybe with a bit of political prudence we would be better equipped to deal with this as a nation. But no, we are still lagging behind such international heavyweights as Estonia when it comes to digital infrastructure and have used the NHS as a football for decades. If nothing else it shows what a pathetic waste of space our governments of every colour have been. No money for actual future proofing that won't earn votes but plenty for road extensions and bridges that nobody is able to use.
*not far off in this case unless that £Bn black hole has somehow been plugged
There wouldn’t be a mass exodus to arran just for a couple of pubs 😆
I could just imagine the queues all the way down Glasgow Street for the Arran booze cruise.
You probably think I'm joking, if you ever saw the pish we have to deal with in Largs just for the Millport ferry you'd think again.
As a long exiled West coaster it does my heart good to hear that Millport is still a popular destination and folk get in the mood for it by trashing Largs.
In other news, pubs in arran shut despite no positive covid tests on the island since may.
Now thats bonkers.
Arran (and indeed other islands) have a dichotomy though - argue that they are their own bubble and should be exempted from rules that the rest of the country (or their local authority / health board as appropriate) face OR say we are open to the public, we welcome visitors and we accept that comes with some identified risks (which may be even higher as there are no ICU facilities on the island).
The only solution I can see is to actually score each premises on the actual measures they have in place (and how well they are applied), so that high scoring premises get to stay open when low scoring ones do not. This would be fairer, provide an incentive to up your covid game (because as phases change you would benefit), and at the same time mean anyone bleating about being closed down choose to take a higher risk approach. I've no idea if we have enough EHO resource to manage this - but a lot of it could be self assessment with draconian penalties for abuse (not financial - more if you self assess as 10/10 compliant and are observed to actually be 6/10 compliant you would not be permitted to upgrade from 6 until you have shown compliance with the higher standard for X weeks).
I've got to say I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for the pub owners in Glasgow etc - as they made their Ice mound protests on Friday evening many were within 2m of each other and not wearing masks. If you don't implement these risk mitigations yourself when being filmed for social media I'm not sure we can trust them to do it in a busy pub.
Arran (and indeed other islands) have a dichotomy though – argue that they are their own bubble and should be exempted from rules that the rest of the country (or their local authority / health board as appropriate) face OR say we are open to the public, we welcome visitors and we accept that comes with some identified risks (which may be even higher as there are no ICU facilities on the island).
Events on South Uist show what happens when folk start to think that island living allows them to have different rules. I believe ScotGov have toyed with the idea for a relaxation in rules on the islands, but only on the provisonif a very strict travel ban. While I'm sure many islanders would welcome such a thing, those with tourism-related or tourism-dependant businesses would suffer massively. To be sure, there is no easy answer.
I’ve got to say I don’t have a huge amount of sympathy for the pub owners in Glasgow etc – as they made their Ice mound protests on Friday evening many were within 2m of each other and not wearing masks. If you don’t implement these risk mitigations yourself when being filmed for social media I’m not sure we can trust them to do it in a busy pub.
Me neither tbh, that just smacked of utter selfishness.
I don't think the islanders want to operate under different rules, but to call Arran as part of central belt is a stretch frinstance, no restaurants open, yet pop over the water and all the bookies are open in an area with large numbers of infection. That's wrong.
But no, we are still lagging behind such international heavyweights as Estonia when it comes to digital infrastructure and have used the NHS as a football for decades.
Probably worth doing some research before making sweeping statements. Pretty much everwhere in the world lags behind Estonia in terms of digital infrastructure.
So, another week for the central belters, not unexpectedly.
Hard to say for sure that new infection rates are coming down due to the issues at the weekend and the catch up effect, but there does appear to be a bit of levelling off, or at least not rising on exponentially.
Fingers crossed.
I'm not sure what dashboards folk are using, but I've found this one useful
https://covid19.scottishtecharmy.org/
