I've posted it once, I'll post it again. Imo we face a huge issue - there's camper vans heading north today on A9, I've run and driven over the bridge 4x today, each time saw campervans, boats, bikes etc. All heading north.
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I’ve posted it once, I’ll post it again. Imo we face a huge issue – there’s camper vans heading north today on A9, I’ve run and driven over the bridge 4x today, each time saw campervans, boats, bikes etc. All heading north
I can't see any real solutions to this other than just living with it for a bit till things calm down. And letting the cops deal with any actual illegality.
While I agree spin, all it would take is a couple of ANPR vehicles at Lomonside and Broxden would 'catch' the majority of the campers heading north.
These folk heading big distances fall foul of 5 mile suggestion and closed amenities until this week...
I've just moved house, 560 miles north from Hampshire to Speyside. 11 hour drive and saw 3 campervans, all heading south. Really struck by how quiet it is - went out for a bike ride over to Aberlour and south for a short section of the Speyside Way - encountered 8 people in about 10 miles and assume that people are really sticking to the 5 mile rule. Been to the supermarket today, even the staff commenting how quiet it was for a Sunday afternoon.
My impression is most folk are attempting to stick to the rules in Scotland but some folk both scots and english do not realise the rules are different here.
I would like to see roadblocks turning folk back at the border. 5 miles / local area thats our rules and everyone must be within those rules. You would only need 3 really - M6, A1, A68
Polis have been turning folk back, were directing traffic into layby just before crianlarich by pass. I know of one fool who was towing a speedboat.
I would like to see roadblocks turning folk back at the border. 5 miles / local area thats our rules and everyone must be within those rules. You would only need 3 really – M6, A1, A68
I would hope the Scottish govt has a bit more perspective and regard for people's rights and behaving in a lawful and proportionate way around this.
I took my campervan for a spin this weekend.
I moved it from the back garden to the front. In no rush to join the throngs in the coming weeks
Yea it's likely going to be super busy as soon as we open up next week. I'm still planning on going away in the camper though, been stuck at home for 3 months same as everyone else so I'll just need to suck up the business.
Hopefully I won't need my litter picker any more than usual, though judging by the pics from down south it may be seeing some action 🙁
Also can't see how we are going to keep virus cases low if there's suddenly a huge influx of English folk.
Spin - if folk are coming up here from England they are breaching our guidance. I cannot go to thge highlands from Edinburgh - why should someone from Manchester be allowed to? Its perfectl;y proportionate and legal to send them back south -
Want to be in Scotland - obey the scots rules
Basically they are going to eff it up for me by bring virus up here and it makes a mockery of the stricter lockdown we have had and makes it a waste of time
Glad to hear that No beer
Hopefully I won’t need my litter picker any more than usual, though judging by the pics from down south it may be seeing some action
Having cycled past a couple of lochs near Callander this week, I'd take that litter picker, gloves, bin bag, skip and some more helpers.... 🙁
regard for people’s rights
You're rights go out the window when there is a global viral pandemic.
poah
You’re rights go out the window when there is a global viral pandemic.
Agree.
It can be interpreted as the rights of people who wish to stay alive take precedence over the rights of people who want to go on a jolly jaunt.
Spin – if folk are coming up here from England they are breaching our guidance. I cannot go to thge highlands from Edinburgh – why should someone from Manchester be allowed to? Its perfectl;y proportionate and legal to send them back south –
For a start the 5 mile thing isn't law as such so enforcement is difficult and it's less that a week until it's gone so I think it's time to start getting used to people moving around more rather than time to be demanding stricter measures.
Bollox spin
The rules and guidance are there for a good reason. Just because England has relaxed against the science then there is no reason why we have to accept their mess being brought up here when its against our guidence and rules.
I am not asking for stricter measures. I want everyone to live withing the spirit of our rules and driving up from England is not doing so. I have ( like many of us) done my best to obey the rules. Why should rule breakers be allowed especially when their actions willk without doubt damage public health
Its appalling behaviour
fortunatly by the sound of it the polis are closer to my view than yours
From Friday TJ you're just going to have to accept it because I can't see how there can be any restrictions on movement between England and Scotland after that.
The good news is that you'll be able to travel too.
My concern isn't just the (re)introduction of Covid-19, it's the unsustainabilty of a high number of staycationers given the lack of facilities; toilets closed, campsites for "self-contained" travellers only, many campsites closed or reducing pitches to 50% of normal and a lack of enforcement of pre-Covid legislation regarding "wild camping", fires, litter etc.
Presumably you'd allow people to cross the border to visit friends and family, or to attend a funeral tj?
My concern isn’t just the (re)introduction of Covid-19, it’s the unsustainabilty of a high number of staycationers given the lack of facilities; toilets closed, campsites for “self-contained” travellers only, many campsites closed or reducing pitches to 50% of normal and a lack of enforcement of pre-Covid legislation regarding “wild camping”, fires, litter etc.
This 👆
I dread to think what Loch Morlich beach and it's environs are going to look like in a couple of weeks.
The really stupid thing in this example is how easy it would be to stop it. Police cordon at Coylimbridge road would be easy to do. There's only 1 (motorised) way in and out.
I dread to think what Loch Morlich beach and it’s environs are going to look like in a couple of weeks.
The really stupid thing in this example is how easy it would be to stop it. Police cordon at Coylimbridge road would be easy to do. There’s only 1 (motorised) way in and out.
Yup, it has potential to be shit but I don't think road blocks are the way to deal with it. For a start it will just move the problem elsewhere. More importantly it's a very very dangerous road for a democracy to go down. Such actions haven't really been necessary to reduce spread during lockdown, it's hard to see them doing it to stop littering.
Presumably you’d allow people to cross the border to visit friends and family, or to attend a funeral tj?
Nope because that is not allowed in Scotland at the moment! ( unless you can do so without using someone elses toilet!)
I have not seen my frail elderly parents for 4 months now. Because I cannot do so and stay within the rules.
Spin - once again most of those people will be breaking the rules as laid down by the government. so they should not be doing it and enforcement is totally proportionate
tjagain
SubscriberMy impression is most folk are attempting to stick to the rules in Scotland but some folk both scots and english do not realise the rules are different here.
I would like to see roadblocks turning folk back at the border. 5 miles / local area thats our rules and everyone must be within those rules. You would only need 3 really – M6, A1, A68
I'm originally from Scotland and have seen a number of old school friends posting pictures from trips they are doing currently, all way more that 5miles, one even went to Blackpool for the day with a bunch of mates on motorbikes. So not sure how well you think the 5mile max is being adhered too.
once again most of those people will be breaking the rules as laid down by the government. so they should not be doing it and enforcement is totally proportionate
They won't be breaking any rules by being at Loch Morlich come Friday which is what I was referring to so a road block definitely wouldn't be proportionate.
Oh there are numpties all over. However my impression remains that most folk in scotland are trying to stay within at least the spirit of the rules.
I have not seen my frail elderly parents for 4 months now. Because I cannot do so and stay within the rules.
The current rules allow you to travel outwith your local area to visit folk. You are even allowed indoors to use their toilet.
Spin -- yes they would be! FFS man read.
You will be allowed to travel yes. But there remain many things you cannot do!
They won’t be breaking any rules by being at Loch Morlich come Friday
They will if they are camping, lighting fires, littering and shitting in the trees.
TJ, tell me what covid restrictions will be breached if people visit loch Morlich after Friday.
There is of course potential for all sorts of shitness as Scotroutes points out but that needs to be dealt with by regular policing and application of existing laws not road blocks.
~Existing laws! and also covid restrictions but never mind - rules don't apply to you do they.
Go and read up on it and learn
Phase 2 - Indicative Dates
Travel distance restriction relaxed - 3 July
Self-catering accommodation and second homes (without shared facilities) permitted - 3 July
People can meet in extended groups outdoors (with physical distancing) - 10 July
All holiday accommodation permitted (following relevant guidance) - 15 July
So no camping yet or for a while, no gathering in groups yet m
Then of course there are all the normal laws being broken as well.
Existing laws! and also covid restrictions but never mind – rules don’t apply to you do they.
I've acknowledged the potential for existing laws to be broken by visitors but there are laws in place to deal with them.
Seriously, please tell me what Covid guidelines you think will be breached if someone travelled from say Edinburgh to The Cairngorms on Friday. All the info I've seen suggests the 5 mile travel limit for leisure will be lifted. Assuming they maintain social distancing etc.
Edit: just seen your post. There's nothing in that against my scenario and nothing to say wild camping is forbidden. No shared facilities wild camping so no covid issue.
FFS man - can you read? No camping until the 15th that obviously includes wild camping and also read up on the guidance for wild camping - those on loch morlich are in clear breach of it!
FFS man – can you read? No camping until the 15th that obviously includes wild camping and also read up on the guidance for wild camping – those on loch morlich are in clear breach of it!
That's not actually what it says though is it? It says accomodation without shared facilities can open on 3rd so technically campsites can open to self contained motorhomes at that point. I believe some were planning to do exactly that. They can open to other users on the 15th. You say it's obvious that this includes wild camping but I'd say it's more obvious that wild camping has no shared facilities so it's fine from Friday. It's certainly what I intend to be doing on Friday though not at Loch Morlich.
OK You know better than the Scottish government then. Sorry I think much less of you for your attitude on this. It stinks
This is what we have to deal with
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SubscriberThey won’t be breaking any rules by being at Loch Morlich come Friday
They will if they are camping, lighting fires, littering and shitting in the trees.
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But they are doing some of that already and have been for a week or so, hey it’s even on public access webcam so it’s clear that the Park Authorities and the Police are happy to ignore.
This is what we have to deal with
I really hate people
This does seem to be a very British problem. Here in Glasgow, the litter and attitude to just casually dropping litter, is horrific.
I never seem to encounter this when on the continent, though no doubt it does happen in some of the less desirable spots, but British city centres and the countryside are treated like dumps by a considerable amount of ****ing ****s
OK You know better than the Scottish government then. Sorry I think much less of you for your attitude on this. It stinks
Deary me you are having a right old strop about this and for what? You think wild camping will still be against the rules come Friday and I think not. You seem to be very confident that you're the one who knows the government's mind on this when wild camping isn't actually mentioned in the guidelines.
You think it's obvious that wild camping falls into the category of accomodation with shared facilities and I think it's obvious that it doesn't.
Just to be absolutely clear, I don't condone any littering or other damage, illegality and irresponsibility and think it should be dealt with by exercising existing laws.
So what bits of that stink? Why should you think any the less of me if, as I plan to, I go camping high up on a mountain on Friday?
read up on the guidance for wild camping – those on loch morlich are in clear breach of it
Unfortunately it seems that those who wish to break covid rules are also happy to break access code rules. Even more unfortunately, there's never been much official interest in enforcing those; witness the L Lomond byelaws being brought in to limit behaviour that was already illegal and just made life harder for the law-abiding.
I would love to come to Scotland to do some canoe/kayak wild camping trips but not until covid restrictions are lifted (and sticking to the letter and the spirit of the access code).
I have not seen my frail elderly parents for 4 months now. Because I cannot do so and stay within the rules.
Good news, you've been able to do that for 10 days.
With apologies to Teej for preempting the 15th of July. We were meant to be going to St Kilda on the 14th, somewhere I have wanted to visit most of my life. Assumed it was a no-no being NTS and all that,they phoned Friday and asked if we could go on the 15th instead? Could we! Only problem is it will mean a stealth mile from the road camp the night before as no way I am driving all the way from Aberdeenshire in one go. Then it's off to Ullapool SCOTROUTES TO THE FORUM! to climb Munro number 282( well; probably nearer 500, but it HAS been 45 odd years.)After a truly shite 3 months, Summer is finally coming!
282??? Does this mean your last??
Which one are you doing?
@greybeard I drive the minibus for the higher Geographers who get a talk from the rangers at Loch Morlich. They get threatened regularly so pass it on to the police who are under resourced anyway.
Scotroutes; Seana Bhraigh. Shouldn't have to worry too much about hordes of other folk on the hill.
Deary me you are having a right old strop about this and for what?
He sometimes has days like this, picks a subject, gets up on the highest horse in the land, and castigates someone, for some bizarre reason.
Today is one of those days.
Out of interest, what laws are being broken in terms of wild camping? Genuinely, it's not something I really do, so have never looked into it.
Edit - Duckman, superb, enjoy sir, and well done! 👏🏻
