1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.
5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
Anyone else thinking that this is a) un unusual cocktail of gear, b) a really odd cocktail of gear to go out on a demo on.
no no no..! It's a [i]bloody stupid[/i] cocktail of gear to go rioting on cos it's such a pokey one.. even without booze it's a recipe for drunken antics but with an altered beast power up (x3)..
It opens the channels and lowers inhibitions so can start mellow and consciousness expanding under the right conditions.. but if you've an inkling of a busy head on it's a riot in the making.. even if you're alone and miles from anywhere.. with added giggles.. and soiling yourself..
he either knew what he was doing.. true berserker stylee.. or else his dad helped him with his mitigating circumstances.. otherwise he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did..
that's just a guess from what I've heard like..
16 months for being a stupid mouthy teenage gobshite arsehole is a bit much I reckon. do him for criminal damage if he's smashed stuff up, but aren't we allowed to mouth off, rant and wibble in public? the guy sounds like a dickhied, but who hasn't been a knob when they were younger.
His bum will be comfortably numb.
Singletrack world. The only forum where you're not allowed to moan that an RAF flight your catching is late, but can see the funny side in a spot of buggery.
Madness.
1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
What freedoms did he abuse, he broke the law and got punished, if its a crime then its not a freedom, your just repeating soundbites you don't even understand, and your solution to honour the deaths of servicemen is to kill people who damage property?
repeating soundbites? eh?
Admittedly maybe hanging's a bit strong but I think it's good that he's had a 'harsh' sentence doled out.
Singletrack world. The only forum where you're not allowed to moan that an RAF flight your catching is late, but can see the funny side in a spot of buggery.
Yes, it's OUTSTANDING! You can even "adopt a persona" and be someone else... 😆
Ain't THAT the truth!
The royal car was deliberately driven through the protests, and they were allowed to clamber all over the cenotaph in order to create the images and media moral outrage that you muppets just lap up, the fact that there was a drugged up son of a celebrity there was just a bonus. The whole cosy relationship between government, police and media has been inescapable for weeks and still you can't see when you are being manipulated.The inequality in access to education is a bigger insult to the memories of those who have died in service than the defacement of stone and brass.
He does have a point you know...
He does. And a bloody good one....
1) he was a ****.
2) he had zero respect for those hundreds of thousands of people who died for the freedom he so roundly abused.
3) he was off his face on drink and drugs
4) he could afford the finest legal counsel to support his case that money could buy.5) he deserves every single bit of the law thrown at him.
Points 1,3,4 and 5 don't count for diddly in my eyes, but he can hang for disrespecting the cenotaph, the menin gate, and every war grave or memorial from here to australia. Dick.
Sensationalist knee-jerk Daily Fail claptrap. Get a grip ffs.
You're not gonna like this... but I think he was a daft young lad, with no real ideas about "reality", our reality, a bit cocooned maybe? probably pissed and just thought "ooh! a flag, I hate flags!" or something. just showing off, attention getting for the dad that abandoned and never loved him? just cos he has money and fame(?) in his family doesn't mean he isn't a human being with emotions and problems. I thought the jail sentence was harsh myself.
Judge clearly made an 'example' of him and it's all media-hysteria led knee-jerk bollocks. Can't really see where Justice is in all this; wooduv bin far more suitable punishment to make him clean graffiti off vandalised memorials or something. Sweep up the streets after demonstrations. Repair any damage he caused.
And publicly humiliate him, make him wear brightly coloured clothes whilst doing his penance. Make him do something of value to society.
Instead, we're all paying for him to be in jail. Where he'll be for a few weeks only, as his spensive lawyers will undoubtedly get him out under some appeal or something.
And what if he's so embittered and angered by being jailed, that he gets all twisted and goes on a murdering spree on his release?
Won't seem such a good idea to jail him then, will it?
And what if he's so embittered and angered by being jailed, that he gets all twisted and goes on a murdering spree on his release?
And you say I'm being sensationalist! Ha!
Don't you think that the biggest act of disrespect to our war dead is to fight illegal wars based on phoney information?
Not really. I think it is a greater disrespect to the current fighting force who are being treated like expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
Don't you think that the biggest act of disrespect to our war dead is to fight illegal wars based on phoney information?
no. i think the biggest disrespect to our war dead, especially those of wwi, is to pretend that they died for freedom and liberty.
Not really. I think it is a greater disrespect to the current fighting force who are being treated like expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
who by Stoner?
Seems harsh to me, I agree with earlier sentiment that a spot of street cleanign with a yellow jacket and a dickhead sign would do the trick, esp considering the stuff that gets treated leniently.
As regards the disrespect to the war dead, I don't see why anyone should show respect to the war dead, I choose too, but if others don't want to then I respect that freedom too. They boy was not alive during the war and cannot/should not be held responsible for the terrible things that happened then.
who are [s]being treated like[/s] expedtionary pirates rather than national defenders.
FTFY
no. i think the biggest disrespect to our war dead, especially those of wwi, is to pretend that they died for freedom and liberty
OK, I'll bite. Would a policy of appeasement been a better approach rather than getting involved in WW2?
Totally agree that prison should be harsh, should be a deterrent and that our war memorials, etc, should be observed and treated with the utmost respect, BUT this stinks.
A large number of protesters seem to be getting disproportionately long sentences in prison for what seem to be fairly minor public disturbances. In contrast, steal cars, sell stolen parts, drive without licence and insurance, sell drugs, etc. and expect a suspended sentence.
It's big brother moving in on us all. Unjust cuts, fees and tax increases are forced on the public. The public objects- the government and law move in and crush this objection. We will see a lot more protesters brought to court as further cctv footage is processed through the system.
Isn't this just a way to deter the public from airing their views?
A threat to the innocent and peaceful objectors to keep their heads down and to keep quiet?
OK, I'll bite. Would a policy of appeasement been a better approach rather than getting involved in WW2?
i didn't mention wwii as that [b]was[/b] arguably a case of (the uk) fighting for liberty and freedom.
as for appeasement, correct me if i'm wrong but i thought that was the policy that we did adopt ? as it was, revisionist approaches now consider appeasement to have actually enabled us to fight hitler when we did. it's really easy with hindsight to pour scorn on appeasement but at the time not many in this country had the stomach for war after the horrors of 14-18 and as alluded to above, we were in less of a position to oppose hitler 33-38 than we were in 1940.
but this is rather getting away from the statement that i actually made. if you want to provide some evidence that britain fought wwi to defend its liberty and freedom then i'd be happy to engage.
Stanley has got it I reckon.
As regards the disrespect to the war dead, I don't see why anyone should show respect to the war dead, I choose too, but if others don't want to then I respect that freedom too.
Well, exactly - the biggest disrespect is surely to deny people the freedom to hold and express unpopular opinions that the war dead gave their lives to protect?
Kingston Crown Court heard he had taken LSD and valium before the incident.
Bizarre. Must have raided his dad's stash.
