also for a man with thick skin he is very fast with the threats to sue
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/heres-a-comprehensive-ish-list-of-all-the-people-and-things-donald-trump-has-threatened-to-sue-since-running-for-president_us_580f9883e4b000d0b158e61e
Must be something to do with having such tiny hands
Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, but hotel and casino businesses of his have been declared bankrupt six times between 1991 and 2009".
@Slow but that's how you run commercial real estate portfolios, you put each building / group of buildimgs in a seperate trust with it's own debt and some equity and then see how it goes. If one project (or 6) go down they don't drag the whole portfolio down. The lenders are well aware of that, it's just the way fhe business works. Commercial real estate is notoriously boom and bust and se involved in it are pretty agressive financially. Think of it like investing in 10 internet startups, 6 go bust, 3 struggle and 1 is Facebook/Google.
As Trump would say he is "smart" years 6 projects have failed but he is still a billionaire.
I think fighting back with twitter is the least he can do or to use the law after all that is the name of the game. i.e. within the law of the society.akira - Member
Chewkw did you actually say he had thick skin. If someone looks at him funny he attacks them on twitter and threatens to sue, if he makes it through four years without being impeached or starting a world war then I'd be surprised.
it does help when your dad is a billionaire too .
Well I'm not sure would trust him with running a nation. So it's just as well he has layers of legislature to control what he actually can do.
@Slow but that's how you run commercial real estate portfolios, you put each building / group of buildimgs in a seperate trust with it's own debt and some equity and then see how it goes.
Then you raise cash for another separate business, swap some around, move the cash, dupe the investors and roll on. Then take some more family cash to bail out another cock up and keep going...
As Trump would say he is "smart" years 6 projects have failed but he is still a billionaire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson a better example I think, how would Trump have faired withough a massive family fortun to bail him out?
As Trump would say he is "smart" years 6 projects have failed but he is still a billionaire.
Bearing in mind he hasn't released his tax records (which are not important), and we aren't likely to see where he made his money. You are still happy to espouse his business credentials when it is just as likely that he has employed a decent stockbroker as the S&P gains on his initial inheritence of $200m are on a par with his wealth gains from mega business deals of his own making.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably fishy. 😕
Judge him after 8 years. Yes, he will be there for 2 terms.
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@mike Family Fortune, it doesn't matter. If he knew he had that in reserve he quite probably took more risk.
The "boo hiss you are no good at business" is pretty ridiculous when he is worth $3.7bn and is now POTUS to boot
The "boo hiss you are no good at business" is pretty ridiculous when he is worth $3.7bn and is now POTUS to boot
Some say $8.7bn (inc S&P if he had just put into the stock market, oops), but we'll never know as he won't release his tax details. If you're happy to hang your business knowledge on the back of this chap, don't be surprised if I don't have much respect for your supposed know how.
He will be found out, he will be found wanting and he will fail big time. He won't be able to chew what he has bitten off this time.
trump says 10bn
forbes reckons hes worth 3.7bn (down from 4.5) as he lost quite a lot in bad property deals in the last couple of years as I understand it the majority f it is in property
who knows how much he inherited from his dad 100-200 million?
he also got quite a lot before his dad died >50 million?
for tax efficiency reasons Im sure we will never know
back to his appointments, his new domestic policy advisor- Blackwell- believes that homosexuality is a sin and can be cured by aversion therapy!
nice to see that bigotry and stupidity are being carried over from his campaign into the presidency 😯
is pretty ridiculous when he is worth $3.7bn and is now POTUS to boot
Did he tell you that he was worth that...
I think the point is there is a lot of sailing close to the wind, really bad calls/gambles that meant he lost a lot of money, ruined businesses and ended up with him/creditors/employees losing out to some very significant amounts. All qualities that are desirable in government?
He does remind me a bit of anther Business man turned politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Palmer
who entered politics because the party he supported wou;dn't do what he wanted... lasted 1 term and the complete destruction of the party he started.
There are various ways of being good at business, some are more ethical and moral, others simply look at the bottom line figure. Again some of those qualities are much much better for people in government to have.
More like backfilling the swamp... with nutters
Another Trump success leading to another humiliating lawsuit payout
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University
Wow the anti-defamation league taking a strong stand against Trump
The adf have objected strongly to the anti Semitic stuff on Breitbart for a while and are none too pleased about Bannons appointment, Breitbart in turn has been relentlessly criticising them recently.
Interesting analysis here on why (and how) he won.
LSE.
My (very short) take on it all is: Trump as a person is an extremely nice, personable chap (first hand experience), but as a Presidential candidate, he's already unleashed far too many flying monkeys to be trusted with the keys.
It is interesting to note though, that one factor in his success has been the media's sensationalising of what he's said up to now. Same as with Brexit: by any non-partisan view, the economy has very much suffered, but the pro-brexiters can claim (with some right) that because it hasn't suffered the full set of Osborne's predictions, we're 'doing well'. The sky hasn't fallen in, its just that the clouds are sitting a bit lower and its been raining ever since.
Well, same for Trump. He's not a fit candidate*, but you only had to hear what he actually said, and in context, to know that- sensationalising what he said ultimately did him a huge favour as it led to his opponents sneering at his supporters...and the inevitable backlash.
We've lost something in the media, I think we'd all agree.
*Neither was HRC.
We've lost something in the media, I think we'd all agree.
Not everyone. The media is pedalling that nobody listens to them anymore and they get all their [made up] new from Facebook instead.
Certainly some truth in that. You'd never guess Brexit was the popular vote if you got your news here.
You'd never guess Brexit was the popular vote if you got your news here.
It's all about where you look though
Go on the daily mail comments and you'd never guess it was won by a tiny margin and was obviously bad for our economy
As with the Trump election....
Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
4:45 AM - 7 Nov 2012
Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!”
]Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump
The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!
The thing that always bothered me with Trump University is for some who recons he's worth $10+ billion why is he dealing with what is "pocket change" and it's not as if it's a philanthropic exercise either it's/was a for profit outfit.
I went along to vote in our own primaries this morning. There was a good turn out so 70+ people in and around the polling station. No-one who looked under thirty five. Lots of fur-coated and 250e-shoed ladies, many grannies and grandads, lots of flash cars (by French standards). If there were any socialist intruders they were well disguised but I suspect there were a few bleu marine voters covering both bases.
I voted for a candidate as far from the Trump profile as possible.
Same as with Brexit: by any non-partisan view, the economy has very much suffered, but the pro-brexiters can claim (with some right) that because it hasn't suffered the full set of Osborne's predictions, we're 'doing well'.
But Brexit hasn't occurred yet.
Trump's father was worth $200m and is understood to have divided his estate equally so Trump got 1/5th or $40m. No one is faultless in business, if you look at Lord Sugar he has made most of his money in property and not in retail / electronics.
News. Yup agreed the mainstream news has become disconnected from the population, this is partly as so few people buy papers or even watch tv news and those that do tend to be a certain demographic (ie generally educated white liberals). I think you see this in opinion polls which are hugely influenced by the news outlet commissioning them. The media has become consumed by "group think" and obsessed with pigeon holing people and policy ideas.
I have started following the ADL, indeed a strong statement that its head would register as a Muslim however I think the database idea is more for new immigrants than existing citizens.
Edukator I wll report on dress code etc later 🙂 I do find it odd that like Corbyn/Labour it's possible to vote for the candidate to do most damage the parties chances if you are an opponent of the UMP.
But Brexit hasn't occurred yet.
So what? Project fear was full of immediate threats. Punishment budget for example.
But Brexit hasn't occurred yet.
Indeed not but the Armageddon predictions from Osbourne and IMF where for immediate recession (inc global) upon a Leave vote. A punsihment budget etc (EDIT 5th beat me to it) we all saw through that as total bollix and all Remain did was discredit themselves
Personally I believe if the predictions had been for a slowdown in growth from 2.2 to 1.4 and a 15% fall in £ an even larger number of people would have said, ok that's not too bad we can manage that and it's worth it.
On Trump he wasn't a suitable person to have the "nuclear codes" ... clearly rubbish he is not going to start a nuclear war is he ? There is a strong body of opinion that Obama's deal with Iran is more likely to lead to that than anything Trump will do.
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No one is faultless in business, if you look at Lord Sugar he has made most of his money in property and not in retail / electronics.
This interview is so funny @ 0:40 seconds into the clip about Trump sparring partner Lord Sugar.
Trump: "Yeaaa no, he is a small timer ..." 😆
Lord Sugar then responded ...
These two are pals ... 😆
For those of you that think the "right" is going to destroy the world etc you lot are basically brainwashed.
Vladimir Putin humiliates BBC Reporter John Simpson
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On Trump he wasn't a suitable person to have the "nuclear codes" ... clearly rubbish he is not going to start a nuclear war is he ? There is a strong body of opinion that Obama's deal with Iran is more likely to lead to that than anything Trump will do.
Trump will Not start a war with anyone unless Merica is seriously threaten physically. Other countries will find it very difficult to compete with him business wise. He will trade with everyone.
As for the Obama leftard administration they are more likely to be the real threat to world peace than many other "rouge nations".
chewkw - Member
For those of you that think the "right" is going to destroy the world etc you lot are basically brainwashed.
Absolutely, no rational thought here at all...
[b]This is to restore Merica relationship with Russia hopefully world peace.[/b]
Putin crushes CNN smartass Fareed Zakaria on Donald Trump and US elections
Did Putin just say he wouldn't interfere with the politics of other counties, so he in no way tried to influence the election by leaking emails etc. If you're using Putin to prove your point I'm not sure your point is worth making.
And yet sterling had crashed, worst performing currency in the world this year.
If not for Carney pumping an extra 300m of QE into the system we could have seen a recession. As it is growth [b]has[/b] slowed
Investors eg Nissan are demandinging promises of compensation.
Our trade deficit has widened even with our falling currency.
Food and fuel prices have risen and are set to rise further.
As for punishment budget- Austerity has been abandoned !
Hammond's budget now had to deal with 100bn Brexit black hole.
Which means the NHS, education, social services will not the extra investment.
Brexiter post truth politics is all about denial of the damage the vote alone has done.
I'm sure that Trump will spin it on exactly the same way. Judging by the reactions of Brexiters on here and elsewhere, his voters will also buy & repeat the lies 100% too.
so he in no way tried to influence the election by leaking emails etc.
Well, certain people who had both everything to lose and a long history of sabre rattling against Russia, made lots of non-specific and unproven claims that Russia was involved in feeding hacked data to wikileaks
Are the Russians cyber-spying on the US? Of course they are, just like the US is cyber-spying on every country in existence, while god only knows what elections the CIA have tampered with over the years
we could have seen a recession.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda
post truth politics
Hmm, so just how post-truth were things like "ended boom and bust" "double dip" & "Triple dip" recession (never happened) and "austerity" (government spending went up) then?
Brexiter post truth politics is all about denial of the damage the vote alone has done.
The trouble is project fear predicted armagedon, not a wet Wednesday afternoon. So nobody cares. Maybe remain shouldn't have made stuff up?
Politics has always been about telling the best lies
Brexit & Trump campaigns set dizzying new heights of BS.
Once you take a huge lie repeat it constantly, write it on a bus and drive it around the country stopping for endless photo ops, well its the definitive test for post truthism 😉
Politics has always been about telling the best lies
So what's the problem then?
Brexit & Trump campaigns set dizzying new heights of BS.
The remain lies were threats. Threats get people's backs up. Ludicrous self-defeating strategy.
There's lies, there's big lies and then there's brexiter lies.....
Let's see what the batshit pro leave torygraph says....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-fact-checking-the-big-claims1/
We all knew both sides were lying about everything. Cameron wins the most epic lie of the campaign with his war in Europe prophesy. That's a monster of a porker.
so few people buy papers or even watch tv news and those that do tend to be a certain demographic (ie generally educated white liberals).
Aren't the Sun and the Mail the papers with the highest circulation?
Yeah, but like you said before:There's lies, there's big lies and then there's brexiter lies.....
So, like I asked before...what's the problem then?Politics has always been about telling the best lies
@cody thanks for that LSE blog, interesting
@kimbers if you don't mind me saying you are making a mistake and are in denial, "we only lost because the other side lied bigger and better". Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.
Going through a few Brexit headlines form the leave media the "specific issues" were clear:
"Brexit poll boost as migrations fears grow"
"Fury over plot to let 1.5m Turks into Britain - N° 10 accused of cover-up before Brexit vote"
"Warning on UK Muslin ghettos"
"Deadly cost of our open borders"
"We'll bring in a tough Australian style points system to slash arrivals from EU". - a quote not a headline
"Queen backs Brexit"
"Patients at risk from EU doctors"
I was looking for something other than xenophobia but that's all I could find.
Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.
They lied and made stuff up/sound worse than it was, offered solutions that are never going to be implemented and things that were out of their control.
Voters care about immigration and they played to that. Can you tell me what Brexit will do for immigration, what will the net migration number will be per year (and via what approach) and how much better off people will be with less of those nasty immigrants?
No, didn't think so....
headlines form the leave media
How odd - how does the 'right wing media brainwashing' theory fit in to Trump
NONE of the mainstream media supported him, yet he still won.
NONE of the mainstream media supported him, yet he still won.
Fox news was pretty supportive.
And of course the FBI sticking their oar in at the last moment didn't help.
Voters care about immigration and they played to that. Can you tell me what Brexit will do for immigration, what will the net migration number will be per year (and via what approach) and how much better off people will be with less of those nasty immigrants?
No, didn't think so....
My view but as I cannot guaranty the future and could not have done so even if we had remained in the EU thats all anyone can do. People are against unctrolled freedom of movement as its a stupid idea particularly between countries of significantly varying economic prosperity.
We will have total control of immigration, the government of the day will decide how many people will arrive each year as we will have a visa based system from 2019 onwards. There will be no freedom of movement from the EU.
We will be much better off due to being able to control immigration via skills based applications and by focusing trade on the growth markets of the world not the stagnant EU
