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Marine LePen at Trump Tower.
She's the ultra-right nationalist funded by Russian banks.
Nothing to see here, move along.
wwaswas - Member
Marine LePen at Trump Tower.She's the ultra-right nationalist funded by Russian banks.
just like Trump!
wonder what those tax returns might be hiding..........
your links dont say anything about whether its true or not other than the one line about it 'probably not being true', but with no justification of that statement
Well that comment was made by the magazine which broke the story of the dossier and which interviewed Christopher Steele in depth, I think their opinion on the matter is probably quite valid. Furthermore the view that they are probably untrue is fairly widespread.
In contrast I can't see any justification to claim that the allegations are probably true.
Plus unlike some people I don't actually think that Trump is stupid. Apart from anything else trusting prostitutes in a country which is rife with organised crime, including among the rich and powerful, would be extremely stupid.
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Id wager more people looked on at his remarkable tantrum yesterday and thought,
'hes guilty of something
I just dunno what'
You see this is a good example of what I said concerning people believing what they want to believe, or in this case seeing what they want to see.
I first heard about Trump's press conference on here. Remarks by people such as Binners led me to believe that Trump had preformed extraordinarily badly. When I eventually saw it on TV that was exactly what I was expecting.
However what I saw was a confident man attacking his detractors, in this case mostly the press. I was so surprised by that I had to watch BBC, ITV, and C4 news, in case they weren't showing the bits where he completely lost the plot.
If I thought Trump preformed really quite well, and I'm certainly no great fan of his, then I dare say that his supporters would have been even more impressed.
At yesterday's press conference Trump was being Trump - his performance was 100% typical.
Trump being Trump is what won him the presidential election.
Stop dismissing Trump as an incapable politician which people can see right through because you want to believe that he's an incapable politician which people can see right through.
Marine LePen at Trump Tower.
She's the ultra-right nationalist funded by Russian banks.
Nothing to see here, move along.
1+1 = 96
Le Pen is smart, she has no meeting with Trump or his team but knows the building will be full of journalists. Free publicity !
The French banks won't deal with FN so they borrow money from Russian Banks.
As I pointed out Ernie they don't have to be true to do him damage.
The allegations are impossible to prove either way, an excellent bit of trolling by the the Dems or the Reps or the ex MI6 agents who appear to have to have been fed this info.... by the Russians.
Trump wanted to explain to us all how he was free of conflicts of interest and his replacement for Obamacare would be 'just wonderful' etc
Meanwhile all the hated main stream media and his loyal alt right press are only taking about his Ajay disastrous relationship with the CIA, Russia and his sex life.
I'm sure that was his cunning plan all along
Fine analysis EL, it should be remembered that a number of reputable organasitions refused the opportunity to publish these allegations.
Gotta agree with Ernie on this one. I watched the press conference and am beginning to have a bit of grudging respect for the guy. Like it or not, he seems to have taken on both the major US parties and won. Now he's working on the press....
The allegations are impossible to prove either way
What a remarkably strange thing to say.
It's very easy to prove if the allegations are true ...... it just requires this thing called "evidence".
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Meanwhile all the hated main stream media and his loyal alt right press are only taking about his Ajay disastrous relationship with the CIA, Russia and his sex life.
I'm sure that was his cunning plan all along
You just don't get it do you. How many times have we been told "this latest scandal will finish him off"? And all that's happened is that's he's bounced back stronger to the point where [i]he will be[/i] the next US President.
This latest thing is no worse than anything previous. Besides, he's won the Presidency mudslinging is now even more pointless.
Dig up some [i]evidence[/i] of money laundering/dodgy illegal business deals and you're talking a whole different ball game......impeachment.
I remain to be convinced he's b in control of the narrative in the media
Claiming hes too smart to be caught on tape is also demonstrably bollox
kimbers - MemberClaiming hes too smart to be caught on tape is also demonstrably bollox
I said : [i]Plus unlike some people I don't actually think that Trump is stupid. Apart from anything else trusting prostitutes in a country which is rife with organised crime, including among the rich and powerful, would be extremely stupid.[/i]
I didn't say that he was a nice man who had never said disgusting things.
But if you want to believe that Trump is "stupid" then fine - I won't bother asking you how you think he became 45th US President.
EDIT :
I remain to be convinced he's b in control of the narrative in the media
I didn't say that he was "in control of the narrative in the media". I said that I agreed with much of the comments in my earlier link [i]"Whining media playing straight into Donald Trump’s hands"[/i] I believe that the mudslinging has often backfired.
It's very easy to prove if the allegations are true ...... it just requires this thing called "evidence".
Perhaps you could write to the Russian secret services and ask them nicely?
Of course it requires evidence the point is those with it are not going to provide it hence its not easy to prove it.
Its a perfect one really as russia could have deliberately released this as well for all we know
Been reading up on Trump's vocabulary and grammar, the opinion is he communicates at a level of an eleven year old or thereabouts. In a comparison against former presidents he seems to have the most limited vocabulary and worst grammar. Obviously this isn't the only way to judge intelligence but most smart people I know are pretty good at communicating.
Thing is, it actual doesn't matter if any of this is True or not. All it demonstrates is that Trumps Presidency will be one of the lowest denominator. Petty squabbling, name calling, mistrust and anger, on all sides!
Obama, no matter what you think of his ideology or policies, is 1000 times the man Trump is, and yet people complain Obama achieved nothing. So, let me ask you this: If an extremely good and trustworthy politician can't achieve anything, can a liar, a manipulative, name calling man who pits people against each other achieve more?
Trump does "playground politics", he calls names, an yet can't cope when he gets a bit of his own medicine.
@akira he is certainly no Obama, he's around the George W level, he served 2 terms fwiw
Trump does "playground politics", he calls names, an yet can't cope when he gets a bit of his own medicine
Republican primaries. He called opponents names, opponents responded. He ratcheted up the name calling and won. Hilary tried similar. He is now the President. When he is called names he is on comfortable ground for him, he'll give it back and more.
It's very easy to prove if the allegations are true ...... it just requires this thing called "evidence".Perhaps you could write to the Russian secret services and ask them nicely?
Or perhaps more logically you could ask the person who has made the allegations to provide "evidence".
But maybe it doesn't work like that.......you can just make an allegation without providing any evidence? Is that how it works?
Grammar wise he's on the same level as Bush but his vocabulary is at a lower level.
akira - MemberObviously this isn't the only way to judge intelligence but most smart people I know are pretty good at communicating.
LOL well I never.....Donald Trump isn't a very smart person who isn't very good at communicating with people!
I wonder if someone has told Hillary Clinton........she'll be devastated when she finds out! Beaten by a stupid man with no communicating skills eh? Or very poor ones at least. Jeez she must have been a bad candidate.
All it demonstrates is that Trumps Presidency will be one of the lowest denominator. Petty squabbling, name calling, mistrust and anger, on all sides!
Good point
the evidence the russians have we all know he does not have ? that is why proving it is very difficult.Or perhaps more logically you could ask the person who has made the allegations to provide "evidence".
He does not have the video we all know this but that doesn't necessarily mean its all true or all false
however it does mean it is hard to prove either way
jambalaya he'll give it back and more
Precisely my point, in a never ending spiral down to the gutter.
The mark of true greatness in a (wo)man is the ability to take criticism and turn it into positive action.
But maybe it doesn't work like that.......you can just make an allegation without providing any evidence? Is that how it works?
That's exactly how it works. Have you been asleep the last few years?
to be fair he is also an expert so perhaps we should be doubly suspicious 😉
Junkyard - lazarusHe does not have the video
Who said anything about a video, are you really suggesting that the only evidence of wrongdoing in a 36 page dossier would be a video?
If I was paying for commissioning a dossier I would expect to see some sort of evidence to back up claims made.
Has anyone told Tony Blair that dossiers don't need any evidence at all? He could have saved himself a lot of time and bother.
I think the problem is the people who discount a 36 page dossier will believe a tweet from Trump. What the news is now is immaterial, where it comes from seems to be more important than accuracy or content.
ernie whilst you are doing your thing the point remains the evidence is hard to get because its hard to get info from russian spies that is conclusive.
this is blatantly true despite your point which I am sure is in there somewhere in the sarcasm 😉
DrJ - Member
But maybe it doesn't work like that.......you can just make an allegation without providing any evidence? Is that how it works?That's exactly how it works. Have you been asleep the last few years?
I had no idea!
Well the Trump camp certainly missed a trick........all they had to do was release a dossier on Hillary Clinton full of damning accusations - no evidence is required!
Still never mind, they won anyway. Perhaps they'll use that tactic next time. The new politics .... unsubstantiated claims about the your rival in a dossier you've paid someone to produce. I've obviously been asleep the last few years!
What you mean ask someone to dig up embarrassing stuff on your opponent? of course trump would never stoop so low !
No, what I mean is release unsubstantiated claims about the your rival in a dossier you've paid someone to produce.
BTW Kimbers I have no idea why you appear to feel the need to remind me what an unpleasant man Trump is, I'm unlikely to forget. I have repeatedly acknowledged this.
This comment by me yesterday is hardly a glowing tribute :
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/103#post-8208496
Like when he said he was going to send a team to Hawaii to dig up Obama's birth certificate?
Trump's entire campaign was based on unsubstantiated claims!
I think we are all agreed trump is a gigantic douchebag.
He has wrongfooted politicians and the media countless times, because he is so erratic and unpredictable.
While it has been a strength he can't keep altienating the press , or it'll just be him and that Milo sleazebag from breitbart in press conferences.
Trump's entire campaign was based on unsubstantiated claims!
I'll take that as you agreeing with me then, ie, unsubstantiated allegations have very little if any value. Because I can't believe for a moment you would claim that unsubstantiated allegations from the Trump camp are unacceptable but unsubstantiated allegations from the Clinton camp are acceptable 😉
And yes, among all the tit-for-tat posting the point I was trying to make was that Trump's opponents have been repeatedly wrong-footed by him, have failed to understand the "Trump phenomenon", and have generally underestimated him.
I don't believe that he's some sort of half-wit with poor communication skills and relatively little support, as seems to have been suggested on this thread.
And that the only reason he's won the election is because he is the first person the American people have had a chance to vote for who was a racist sexist bigot. Or because Hillary Clinton was such an awful candidate. Or because his fairy godmother cast a spell on the American people and suddenly made half of them stupid. Or whatever other explanation you can dream up.
If you want to fight demagogues and bigots you need to do more than just dismiss them as losers. Otherwise it just plays straight into their hands - do you not think Trump wanted his opponents to underestimate him?
BTW Kimbers I have no idea why you appear to feel the need to remind me what an unpleasant man Trump is, I'm unlikely to forget. I have repeatedly acknowledged this.
You should know by now that Kimbers and the point are fleeting acquaintances.
Oh mefty you tease!
I wish I had a wig like for my bald head
While it has been a strength he can't keep altienating the press , or it'll just be him and that Milo sleazebag from breitbart in press conferences.
Fox have put a pro-Trump reporter into the prime time news spot after Megan Kelly left, Murdoch is many things but he is not stupid. There are many US TV news networks, a few which Trump won't speak to doesn't matter. As for the pinted press who reads that outside of the East and West (even maybe not there) coasts and they already vote Democrat.
What Trump has shown the world is the MSM don't matter as much as they like to think they do. Without the charade that they are important they really have a problem.
Yeah the president only talking to media that agrees with him
Sounds healthy
I believe there's an f- word that describes such a setup
jambalaya - MemberAs for the printed press who reads that outside of the East and West (even maybe not there) coasts and they already vote Democrat.
I might have got this wrong but are you actually suggesting that there aren't many people inhabiting the East and West coasts of the United States? And that there's no Republicans living on the East and West coasts - just Democrats?
+1 Kimbers, a point those who choose to make shit up seem to miss. It suits the post truth mob to avoid actual real journalists as they only seek to burst the bubble of awesomeness. Trump and his ego will bring him down. A piece earlier linked to how the impeachment of Nixon was seen as a lefitie wet dream at his inauguration and what followed was only the rabid idiots left to defend him.
My only hope is he does something illegal early.
There were also strong reports of footage of trump using the N word in the apprentice yet that never surfaced.
Apparently there are some cast iron law suits in place that mean it's going to cost about 5 million to get those tapes out. The guy who says he has on said he didn't release it as it would only have increased his popularity.
Trump supporters in racism expose shocker....
ernie what I was trying to say is the papers are more important to Democrats, the Republicans are so far behind in most big coastal cities what they don't really care. It doesn't matter what the NY Times has to say with regard to Trump. His supporters read Twitter. Who in Michigan is reading the Washington Post ?
Mike, Hilary spent $1 billion the Democrats could have found 5m no problem. The N word story imho is a fake.
It doesn't matter what the NY Times has to say with regard to Trump. His supporters read Twitter.
Hence the big problem, the only truth they will get from twitter is probably their notice when their company folds and sacks them with zero compensation.
I've come to the conclusion that Donald Trump is like a Chinese finger trap.
Trump is simply evidence that Russia is winning the cyber war. The got a gimp in the White House. Spectacular.
Trump is simply evidence that Russia is winning the cyber war. The got a gimp in the White House. Spectacular.
I'm sure they did something, but I think Hilary was just so unlikeable. There was dirt on both sides
Even with the dirt on trump she still couldn't overcome the stigma.
However she did win the popular vote but from memory, in the key states, she didn't lose to trump, but rather she lost to the independents. Again from memory,in the key states the independents got maybe 2% of the vote. In this election they got 6% and those were votes that would normally have gone to the democrat candidate.
Again from memory,in the key states the independents got maybe 2% of the vote. In this election they got 6% and those were votes that would normally have gone to the democrat candidate.
with a lot being attributed to the FBI press release days before the vote which occured while they were allegedly sitting on the Trump allergations.
Imagine what it'll be like in just over a week, when he becomes president!
The whole fake news phenomena is a dream for the likes of Trump. He can now just dismiss everyone as fake news and his gullible supporters will believe him.
The n word tapes also (allegedly)feature him describing his younger son as retarded, again extra kudos among the hardcore Trumper's.
5 million, has no one done a kick-starter ? I reckon that'd be raised pretty quick.
Maybe that one will come out the day b4 his ceremony. !
Nixon was brought down by a disgruntled deputy director of the FBI (deepthroat) good job trump hasn't been slagging off the intelligence community lately 😉
More chances he will be brought down by someone close to him.
He will be brought down at the time that suits his enemies the best. I think it is inevitable.
Oh and this time the source won't be called deepthroat- goldenshower perhaps?
The sun are having some pun fun today
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jambalaya - Member
ernie what I was trying to say is the papers are more important to Democrats, the Republicans are so far behind in most big coastal cities what they don't really care. It doesn't matter what the NY Times has to say with regard to Trump. His supporters read Twitter.
I'm trying hard to fit your scenario with 2.5 million more Americans voting for Clinton than voted for Trump.
Nope. Doesn't work.
Do you think the structure of their voting process might have had something to do with it? 😕
Well let's be clear on that one. Our voting system is just as broken. A majority government can be formed with 30odd percent of the vote. We had a referendum to sort that one out and chucked it away. We really are not to be trusted are we?
Well let's be clear on that one. Our voting system is just as broken. A majority government can be formed with 30odd percent of the vote. We had a referendum to sort that one out and chucked it away
Yes, wasn't quite as well publicised as the EU referendum though. And as the average voter wouldn't even understand the way voting works they wouldn't bother voting anyway (unless you could bring in an immigrant angle!)
well this mornings shower of tweets from Trump dont seem to be pleased with our MI6 fellah
Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump
released by "Intelligence" even knowing there is no proof, and never will be. My people will have a full report on hacking within 90 days!
Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump
Totally made up facts by sleazebag political operatives, both Democrats and Republicans - FAKE NEWS! Russia says nothing exists. Probably...
Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump
It now turns out that the phony allegations against me were put together by my political opponents and a failed spy afraid of being sued....
Judging by this morning Twitter meltdown I don't think his allies or ennemies will need to bring him down.
He is going to do it all by himself.
I don't think he's got "The Right Stuff" for the role he's about to take on.
Russia says nothing exists
its very interesting that everyone at some point gets the full force of the Donalds ire for all of this ranging from the US services to the media to his own party and yet not once does he ever criticise russia for doing this.
I wonder why this is the case?
Makes you think eh
The security service must be bricking it that he takes russian reports above their own reports - hell the entire US political machine should be worried about that never mind them - whatever your politics
made up facts
All that money and an education that doesn't know that facts and fictions are different things.
My only hope is he does something illegal early.
I don't think you need to hope... I'd be surprised if he hasn't already! Certainly the smart money is on him not fulfilling his 4yr term... Which brings us to Mike Pence! Oh Joy... Maybe Trump is the lesser of the 2 evils there!
With regards to the comparisons to Nixon... Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Some handle the power better than others, but everyone will let the power get to their heads a little.
Trump has already had a lot more power than the average presidential candidate, by being a business baron and a reality TV star. There is a far greater level of "don't you know who I am" and a sense of entitlement with Trump than any other US president in my lifetime for sure.
We just need a budding you David Frost to expose him asap!
All this golden shower stuff is very amusing, but behind those scenes Trump is doing stuff that affects peoples' lives - the latest example: giving credence to loony vaccination scaremongering.
Maybe Trump is the lesser of the 2 evils there!
There is no question that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Pence is a very dangerous man. Never mind his appalling domestic policies and record as governor of Indiana, just look at his foreign policy :
[url= http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/mike-pence-debate-misstep/503006/ ]Mike Pence Embraces the Foreign Policy That Republican Voters Rejected[/url]
[b][i]"Pence may be smoother than Trump. He may be less obnoxious. But for all his bigotry and idiocy, Trump understands something that Pence does not: There are limits to American power". [/i][/b]
his non blind trust would be the most obvious example of this and then his nepotism - Son in law in important roleMy only hope is he does something illegal early.
Probably more to come given his immense hubris and him used to bullying to get his way
The only issue is whether the republican party will care or turn a blind eye to this I suspect the later initially bit it depends on whether they think they can "work with him"
Whats that, Donald Trump wants you to stop asking him awkward questions about hos plans to make lots of money out of being president.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-14/donald-trump-reprising-campaign-attacks-on-hillary-clinton/8181914
#SADFACE #Predictable
Whats that, Donald Trump wants you to stop asking him awkward questions about hos plans to make lots of money out of being president.....
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-14/donald-trump-reprising-campaign-attacks-on-hillary-clinton/8181914
#SADFACE #Predictable
Yeah, I listened to his interview and I got the distinct impression that it hadn't really sunk in that the election is over. The mud slinging was just to get in power DT, now you've got to actually do something other than shout "those emails folks!".
Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump
Totally made up facts by sleazebag political operatives, both Democrats and Republicans - FAKE NEWS! Russia says nothing exists. Probably...
Probably? 😆
as dull as it is, another one sums it up really
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/opinion/donald-trumps-made-for-tv-promises.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=fb-nytimes&mccr=JanIntlMidMC&mcdt=2017-01&subid=JanIntlMidMC&ad-keywords=AudDevGate&_r=0
Yes there is a need to engage the disenfranchised voter, however I think we all know where this is heading
The thing is about Trump and his "promises", based on actual things he is on record as saying:
- Scenario A: He meant every word he said during his campaign and since.
If this is the case, then this means the following:
- He's racist;
- He really does not know what his overall plan is;
- He's schizophrenic;
- He's bigoted;
- He's homophobic and sexist;
- He has no compassion whatsoever.
- Scenario B: Everything he said during his campaign was just to get him elected:
Therefore:
- He's a class A manipulator;
- He's really does not know what his overall plan is;
- He has no compassion whatsoever;
- He's a liar and therefore not to be trusted;
- He has no empathy or social skills, and therefore a sociopath;
Either way, it's not good.
He may bring back some business to the USA, but at what cost? It'll mean either all homegrown goods will be cheap and of very low quality or very expensive. Either way, it doesn't benefit the USA as a whole, and certainly isn't a long-term model.
Ted Cruz is sponsoring a bill to partially defund the UN post the Israeli Settlements resolution. Probably the most important early read we will get on Trump's foreign policy will be how he reacts to the UN once President. All he has said it would be very different.
...also relocating the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? 😯
Probably the most important early read we will get on Trump's foreign policy will be how he reacts to the UN once President.
Well all the signs are for a massive pro Israel approach which is disappointing.
Well all the signs are for a massive pro Israel approach which is disappointing.
So same ole, same ole. But I thought Trump was supposed to be different. A breath of fresh air. A change of direction. You don't mean he lied about that as well, do you?
Unless the Palestinians want to build a hotel they will not get his attention. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem is another "bold" political move where you just try and piss more people off.
- He's a class A manipulator;
- He's really does not know what his overall plan is;
- He has no compassion whatsoever;
- He's a liar and therefore not to be trusted;
- He has no empathy or social skills, and therefore a sociopath;Either way, it's not good.
.....................................Either way, it doesn't benefit the USA as a whole, and certainly isn't a long-term model.
I guess it all depends on what your views concerning US hegemony are. If you share the same views as these people :
[url= http://nationalinterest.org/feature/american-hegemony-here-stay-13089 ]American Hegemony Is Here to Stay[/url]
[i]"The truth is that America can and should seek to remain the world’s top dog."[/i]
Then yes, it's not good.
If however like me you you don't think Americans are God's chosen people on a divine mission to dominate the whole world then it's actually pretty good news.
Far from making 'America great again' imo Trump is more likely to make the US somewhat less powerful by reducing its influence and authority.
I'm sure you'll agree that all those Trump "qualities" you list are unlikely to increase United States's influence and authority in the world.
I do feel sympathy for the American people but no more so than I do for all the non-Americans in the world. And Americans are grown-ups, they need to live with the decisions which they make, however hash that might be.
Far from making 'America great again' imo Trump is more likely to make the US somewhat less powerful by reducing its influence and authority.
Unfortunatly his thinking doesn't always stack up, with promises to go after IS and comments about bomb first forget the questions will see the US more involved in places.
His new found game of poking China with a long stick is going to mean they are involved in places like the south China sea.
I see he's off insulting folks who ruffle his feathers again.
Perhaps it is better that he gets on with Putin. 🙄
Last time a US president tried to stop their involvement abroad, his brain ended on the back seat of his car.
He does seem intent on causing upset in palestine.
Just as an international effort toward a 2 state solution is renewed,
And nentenyahus lurched even further right and Israelis have been exposed trying to smear and 'take down' British MPs.
I think that palestine could see the first trump induced loss of life, especially if he moves the embassy straight away
(Though the N-word apprentice tapes being released on inauguration eve have a good chance of riot starting)
It'll take a while for a proper confrontation in the south China sea to kick off.
I'm trying to find the slightly scary speech by one of trumps incoming team that talked about America's unique ability to protect the world
Though the N-word apprentice tapes
Not sure that would tell us anything we don't know already, would it? What he is is already clear to everyone, but he was elected in spite of that.
Strange times.