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Someone paid the US government 130 million USD to keep the military paid during the shutdown and I am not sure that person was ever disclosed. He knows so many billionaires, or at least there are so many billionaires that want to curry favour with him and the regime, I am sure that one of them could be tapped to pay for ICE. How much money does Thiel have again? Or Musk?


 
Posted : 26/01/2026 9:52 am
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Nobody who carries a concealed weapon is one of us. 

 

Irrelevant to his murder by the American Gestapo, but don't be lumping me in with fools and guns.

Massively missing the point. I don't have a beard, which is equally irrelevant.


 
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Nobody who carries a concealed weapon is one of us. 

Irrelevant to his murder by the American Gestapo, but don't be lumping me in with fools and guns.

It seems weird to us, but many ordinary Americans have been scared into carrying guns for self defence.  In a UK context that sounds utterly ridiculous, but the culture around them in the US is radically different. Ordinary people who are not gun nuts either keep self defence guns at home or get a "concealed carry permit" in some states they can be worn openly without concealment. 

They do it out of fear of living in a violent society and because they are told it is a responsible, proactive, self-reliant and American thing to do, enshrined in their constitutional rights. They believe it is to protect themselves, their families and loved ones.  You can of course argue the logic of that and I would agree with you.  But don't sneer and think you are better than them without trying to understand how a different cultural background can shape your views.

I posted a picture a couple of pages ago of my brother who lives in Minnesota and his US wife protesting at an anti ICE demonstration in Minneapolis.  Steve is smart, an IT recruitment consultant and father of two young adults.  He has self defence guns at home and has taken the concealed carry course, though he rarely does "carry".  This is a grounded, sensible Brit who has zero interest in guns before he moved to the states, and tbh still doesn't, but does now feel they are necessary.  Twenty odd years of living in the states have brought about this change in attitude.  It is even more ingrained in those born there.

Ironically I, who have done a fair bit of recreational shooting have argued with him that the US approach is grotesque and the cause of many of their issues.  We agree to disagree but he honestly is not a "fool with a gun". 

Knowing the city, I can well imagine that a young professional ICU nurse travelling to and from downtown Minneapolis, especially on night shifts might feel it was the "responsible" thing to do, to carry a firearm for personal protection. It wouldn't be seen as weird or abnormal by anyone around him. Sad, but true.

Reading his bio, he seems a very decent human being, who was brutally murdered by the state. Sad that a forum member would write him off as a "fool".

 

 


 
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Someone paid the US government 130 million USD to keep the military paid during the shutdown

Even though that got a lot of press exposure, the numbers didn't add up - would only have amounted to ~$100 per service member. 

On the subject of mid-terms, rigging / influencing seems more likely than cancellation if they want to maintain a veneer of democracy. As mentioned above elections are run by states and if they don't happen (e.g. in red states) they would lose their representation - effectively handing the Democrats a majority (explainer here).

 


 
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Everyone who carries a gun is part of the problem. Excusing that because other people might have them is part of the problem. I’ve got no patience for any kind of gun carrying excuse making. Just in case IS the problem. I don’t care how you feel about your society or your sub conscious hatred of the brown and the poor. If you carry a gun, it’s going to get used and you are the problem.


 
Posted : 26/01/2026 12:26 pm
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Interesting that several Republicans have come out against this one

Noem & others have pissed them off by saying he was a terrorist just because he had a (legal) gun with him

According to the founding fathers, the 2nd amendment is all about being able to protect yourself from an over-reaching state 

Madison wrote how a federal army could be kept in check by the militia, "a standing army... would be opposed [by] militia." He argued that State governments "would be able to repel the danger" of a federal army, "It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops." He contrasted the federal government of the United States to the European kingdoms, which he described as "afraid to trust the people with arms", and assured that "the existence of subordinate governments... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition".

I dont think its even the death of Alex Pretti that has upset them, its the implication that their insane gun rights might be infringed

I mean if guns were banned at political demos then all the far right rallies would look very different

 

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I don’t care how you feel about your society or your sub conscious hatred of the brown and the poor. If you carry a gun, it’s going to get used and you are the problem.

Yeah, that nurse was clearly, based on your telepathic psychological assessment a wrong 'un and deserved it.  What a ****.


 
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As mentioned above elections are run by states and if they don't happen (e.g. in red states) they would lose their representation - effectively handing the Democrats a majority

Which is why the Federal government is manufacturing a state of disorder in states such as Minnesota, not ones like Mississippi.


 
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It would be really good if the Native American had an ICE agency and rounded up all the non native Americans.

 

ICE have already arrested Native Americans for looking "not white".


 
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I don’t care how you feel about your society or your sub conscious hatred of the brown and the poor

Thats a pretty big ****ing leap being made there.

It's interesting that the 2nd amendment folk are seeming to take some notice now. The murder of a lesbian mother didn't seem to bother them because the federal authorities and their media mouthpieces stressed how she was different to "them".

Suddenly a white guy, exercising his 2nd amendment rights, gets murdered and it starts to get a little too close to home.

First they came for the Latinos, and I said nothing, as I wasn't a Latino.

Then they came for the lesbian wife and mother, and I said nothing, because I wasn't a lesbian wife and mother.

Then they came for the white guy exercising his second amendment rights and....hang on a minute!

 


 
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I don’t care how you feel about your society or your sub conscious hatred of the brown and the poor. If you carry a gun, it’s going to get used and you are the problem.

 

While not really wanting to respond to your stupid idiotic and frankly offensive rant against a man going out there protesting against the fascist federal thugs who are attacking "brown people" putting himself in harms way when they attacked a women to protect her, who even after receiving a beating never reached for his gun and was then executed in broad daylight on camera.

 

A couple of years ago I watched one of those youtube videos of americans who had moved to Europe, in this case I think it was Edinburgh. She was iirc a bit of a new age hippy type, she talking about how after first moving there she was really scared because she didn't have a gun in her home to protect herself, it took her about 12 months to realise how much safer it was without, that she was living without fear anymore.


 
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The whole subject of gun control is one that I try to avoid (along with politics and religion) when I used to visit the US. Unless you know the person that you are talking to really well, any of them can put a conversation into a downward spiral.

When I have discussed gun control (oddly enough in a gun shop in rural Virginia), the staff and customers were very confused by the UK approach and how it worked, especially with the way that a rifle purchase is based around a single purchase for a designated calibre with a specific purpose and why pistols are banned. Explaining Dunblane and the subsequent changes to the law just did not compute with them in a country where mass shootings are commonplace and that, because of the way firearms are managed, the UK is generally a safer place*.

Anyway, I'm getting off track. Irrespective of whether your personal ethos is anti-gun (I don't necessarily agree with so much gun ownership either), this man was murdered by ICE; neither Alex Pretti or Renee Good deserved to be shot by those thugs.


 
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Just had the usual suspects at work voicing their take on the Minneapolis shooting over the weekend.....

'He was a woke lefty prick who took a gun to attack border patrol agents and got what he deserved'.

This after freely admitting they'd watched the videos and agreeing the official govt response was not what actually happened 


 
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The whole subject of gun control is one that I try to avoid (along with politics and religion) when I used to visit the US. Unless you know the person that you are talking to really well, any of them can put a conversation into a downward spiral.

When I have discussed gun control (oddly enough in a gun shop in rural Virginia), the staff and customers were very confused by the UK approach and how it worked, especially with the way that a rifle purchase is based around a single purchase for a designated calibre with a specific purpose and why pistols are banned. Explaining Dunblane and the subsequent changes to the law just did not compute with them in a country where mass shootings are commonplace and that, because of the way firearms are managed, the UK is generally a safer place*.

Anyway, I'm getting off track. Irrespective of whether your personal ethos is anti-gun (I don't necessarily agree with so much gun ownership either), this man was murdered by ICE; neither Alex Pretti or Renee Good deserved to be shot by those thugs.

Yep.. 

IMHO you have to accept it’s a different world over there, they may speak the same language but there are some big differences.

I vaguely remember we always have arguments over ‘every day carry’ knives for peeling apples  over the legality.

He could legally carry a gun and wasn’t waving it around so shouldn’t have been shot 10 times whilst being held down by a number of masked men carrying bigger guns and spraying stuff in his face.

 

 

 

 

 


 
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No one said he deserved it, in fact everyone has shown sympathy at his plight and horror at the circumstances. That does not stop discussions about how America got to this point, and a large part of that is guns, guns, guns. That’s why I insist that anyone who gives into their largely imagined terrors of others and decides to carry a gun around is part of the problem. This relentless cycle of murder in America will only stop once everyone is dead or they realise guns are the problem. Saying we shouldn’t address this element of this event because it somehow draws attention away from the whole Gestapo thing and his execution is no different to the crazies at the NRA saying gun control shouldn’t be discussed after the latest school shooting mass murder. It is possible to hold more than one thought in your head at once, you should try it.


 
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Saying we shouldn’t address this element of this event

No one has said that. People are taking issue with this:

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your sub conscious hatred of the brown and the poor. If you carry a gun

Because it's an offensive sweeping generalisation that stains amongst others, the character of the man who was executed and my brother. Your other points are valid. Nobody is stopping any discussion.

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It is possible to hold more than one thought in your head at once, you should try it.

Like widespread gun ownership is a problem AND not all gun owners hate the poor and brown people? 🙄


 
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Just had the usual suspects at work voicing their take on the Minneapolis shooting over the weekend.....

'He was a woke lefty prick who took a gun to attack border patrol agents and got what he deserved'.

This after freely admitting they'd watched the videos and agreeing the official govt response was not what actually happened 

The joy of working in the woke lefty prickfest that is the civil service means that views like that tend not to be tolerated.

 


 
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Oh, I do. I freely admit that they have systemic problems with firearms (amongst other things) and that this plays into a downward spiral with how law enforcement approach things and I know it's not going to change easily or soon. I also have enough friends over there to hear both sides (maybe three sides) of the arguments for gun control. 

FWIW, I am very pro-gun control, despite being in the past a civilian target club member, coach and RCO and a military shooter, coach and RCO. The UK's system of requiring a good reason to own firearms (and tying an application/variation to a specific purpose/weapon) seems sensible and the only criticism that I have of it is that the police seem generally understaffed to deal with licensing effectively.

Sweden has a similar approach, but seem a bit better funded in that respect and, in some ways, even more structured in how they license firearms for hunting and target. Weirdly, I think Sweden actually has a higher gun-crime rate than the UK (thanks to gangs and shared borders) although, wehere I used to live, the locals dealers used to try and blow people up more than shoot them. 


 
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I’m not 100% sure I’m right on this one, but I’m going to say again the reason most if not all gun owners in America have guns is because they are afraid of brown people and / or poor people. They would never admit it, but it’s the real reason. No one’s afraid a billionaire is going to break in and steal their tv. As a society they institutionally despise brown people and poor people. I’m pretty sure brown and poor people hate other brown and poor people, it’s that ****ed up. There’s no excuse in America for not being white or rich, to be anything else is an admittance of failure on your part. That’s why they vote to be ruled by the rich again and again. That’s why there’s armed government thugs running round Minneapolis snatching the poor and brown off the streets.


 
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The joy of working in the woke lefty prickfest that is the civil service means that views like that tend not to be tolerated.

even the rw nutters in my family (my farage loving sister in law) thinks that the ICE actions are very wrong


 
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I’m going to say again the reason most if not all gun owners in America have guns is because they are afraid of brown people and / or poor people.

Last word on this from me, because it's detracting from the main issues.  The man we are talking about was demonstrating against Federal thugs sweeping up "poor, brown people". He was taking a principled stand in solidarity with "poor brown people", but in your judgement he either hated or feared them (you've said both). 

He demonstrated enormous courage and lost his life because of it and imo, your remarks are a slur on him. I get the wider point you are trying to make about gun control and largely agree. It's possible to make it without sweeping generalisations and the character assassination of a murder victim you don't know.


 
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I’m not 100% sure I’m right on this one, but I’m going to say again the reason most if not all gun owners in America have guns is because they are afraid of brown people and / or poor people.

Why do you keep ascribing views and opinions on a man who got shot in cold blood if you're not sure? 

I'm really no fan of firearms, think the American laws around them are absolutely crazy, but the known actions of this individual do not suggest he was a societal danger. 


 
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I recommend reading this:

https://www.slowboring.com/p/a-turning-point-in-minnesota


 
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To say that democracy (which was already rather a feeble) will prevail against his will is just dumb blind faith and willfully ignorant of the events we all can see.

Which of the alternatives to democracy would you propose as the way forward?

Will violence be optional?

Who is required to enact it?

 

 

 

 


 
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The US is NOT a true democracy - its a partial democracy at best.  Introducing real democracy would have made this slow motion coup pretty much impossible


 
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It’s a constitutional republic


 
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The US is NOT a true democracy - its a partial democracy at best.  Introducing real democracy would have made this slow motion coup pretty much impossible

 

Didn't Donald win the popular vote?

 


 
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Will violence be optional?

That would be an improvement on the status quo in which violence seems to be inevitable 


 
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To say that democracy (which was already rather a feeble) will prevail against his will is just dumb blind faith and willfully ignorant of the events we all can see.

Which of the alternatives to democracy would you propose as the way forward?

Will violence be optional?

Who is required to enact it?

 

Even for you it is a bit special to suggest my post was anti-democracy, you know all the bits that you didn't quote explained why democracy is already being subverted, I will post it again below in full, so you can then try and explain your what your point is.

 

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The republicans already control more states than the dems. Trump has weaponised the DOJ against states he isn't in control of, while redistricting states he is in control off, he is prosecuting democratic state officials as "terrorists" and has control of the supreme court, he is putting his brownshirts into states that he doesn't control to cause fear, many of the state legislators that resisted his calls to steal the election in 2020 have been replaced with more subservient acolytes, he has weaponised the DOJ and other government departments against media that doesn't preach his gospel.

To say that democracy (which was already rather a feeble) will prevail against his will is just dumb blind faith and willfully ignorant of the events we all can see.

 

 

 


 
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Even for you it is a bit special to suggest my post was anti-democracy

No, I didn't read your post as anti democracy, I read your meaning as democracy being broken and incapable of defeating fascism in the form Trump etc, have created.

It is from that perspective I ask what you, or anyone else, might see as the way forward.

The questions about use of violence and who should enact it come from another place rather than directly confronting anything you have said. However your attitude to people who have views diverging from your own was what caused me to make the fairly tenuous connection.

These times are causing many people anxiety about the future and to fear the worst. (That's why Carney's speech was uplifting.)


 
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There does seem to be a bit of back pedalling from the administration over this latest shooting amid all sorts of voices including Republican, calling for an independent investigation. Even Trump's former VP Pence calling for it. I imagine the ICE thugs who killed Pretti with what they thought was impunity, are now shitting themselves realising there's at least a possibility they may have to face justice.  A pity the same won't apply to those who sent them. 


 
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There does seem to be a bit of back pedalling from the administration over this latest shooting amid all sorts of voices including Republican, calling for an independent investigation. Even Trump's former VP Pence calling for it. I imagine the ICE thugs who killed Pretti with what they thought was impunity, are now shitting themselves realising there's at least a possibility they may have to face justice.  A pity the same won't apply to those who sent them. 

Pence was speaking out before Pretti's murder, he owes Trump nothing. I would love to have him publicly open up about Jan 6th

 


 
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I imagine the ICE thugs who killed Pretti with what they thought was impunity, are now shitting themselves realising there's at least a possibility they may have to face justice. 

Unlikely to be nothing beyond loss of job, possibly even some sort of probation.

Reason I think is because in the last statement he was pretty much being put out by the Whitehouse as some sort of martyr to the cause. If ICE hadn't been there etc etc blaming the migrants or (non whites) were ultimately responsible for he death, and while tragic the officer etc etc. 

He loses job, end of story, though they'll plaster the news with plenty of individual sad and terrible stories for the emotional grab.


 
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Reason I think is because in the last statement he was pretty much being put out by the Whitehouse as some sort of martyr to the cause. If ICE hadn't been there etc etc blaming the migrants or (non whites) were ultimately responsible for he death, and while tragic the officer etc etc. 

Yeah, thats what I have seen as well, the limited pushback has still been "ICE doing gods work under difficult circumstances, protestors are causing these flashpoint etc and some Minnesota benefits fraud squirrel.

 


 
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I imagine the ICE thugs who killed Pretti with what they thought was impunity

Normal US law enforcement behaviour. We think the Maccabi football debacle is a major integrity scandal, it wouldn't even register in the US.

https://knock-la.com/tradition-of-violence-lasd-gang-history/

 


 
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Now Now Gents. Marquess of Queensferry rules ...


 
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It's a biking forum. I'm as guilty as anyone in getting invested in debates that can get a little too heated and forgetting our reach is pretty much limited to the few hardened souls that post on the political threads. 

 

The world is a bit of a mess at the moment and I get a little overwhelmed and I think so do others, so it's important that places like this exist so we don't have to delve into the cesspit of X too much. 

 

If any  poster on here has an absolute black or white answer to anything can they just let us all know? Otherwise it's all opinion and emotion which is absolutely fine till I start feeling like I'm in Musks back yard.

 

Can we be less X?

I mean, it's only today I found out that 32" wheels are A Thing. 

It's been a tough day all round.

I still love you sanctimonious bar stewards by the way and yes, I've had a drink and no, it doesn't mean what I said is any less valid. This time anyway.

 

(Currently in that sweet spot between absolute clarity and absolute hilarity. It's pretty nice)

 

 

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^^ I've no bloody idea why that are 2 X's above.


 
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Morning Poopy. Did you stay in the sweet spot? 😁 You're right, it would be good if we could keep the temperature down in here. I'm also a bit too fractious at times. I think all of us broadly agree, but let our frustrations at outside events boil over in here sometimes. Not good. Be more Poopscoop 👍


 
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^^ I've no bloody idea why that are 2 X's above.

TBH I thought it was kisses 🙂

(stingy thou being only 2)

 


 
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I thought it was kisses 

 

I would prefer the flirting before the hard rogering.


 
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We think the Maccabi football debacle is a major integrity scandal,

Do we?


 
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Posted by: Poopscoop

I mean, it's only today I found out that 32" wheels are A Thing. 

It's been a tough day all round.

😀


 
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I mean, it's only today I found out that 32" wheels are A Thing.

 

Trump wades into the wheel size debate...

 

I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides, You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides,


 
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He loses job, end of story,

In the GOP of the recent past there would be a scramble amongst Trumpist congress and senators to offer him a job - a la Kyle Rittenhouse. Will be interesting to see if the wind is still blowing the same way now. Round of press and podcast offers? Speaking tours? Kerrching! Yes?


 
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Not gone to bed yet.

I watched "Euro News" or "French News" (can't remember the actual channel name)  last night for a bit as they had a segment on crustaceans and I love a bit of nature, me. 

I learnt that some crustaceans hide in the anus if sea cucumbers when threatened. 

Now, you lot tell me? That is absolutely something that the mainstream media just doesn't cover in this country?

 

And in that mike drop revelation I must get some kip now.


 
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This is worth reading. It paints a picture of disastrous leadership leading to breakdown of discipline and morale among the lower ranks.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/ice-unloads


 
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This is worth reading. It paints a picture of disastrous leadership leading to breakdown of discipline and morale among the lower ranks.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/ice-unloads

Excellent piece - we may not like the way the US law enforcement operates even in "normal times", but as in the UK, the majority signed up to do "the right thing" and they understand the damage that lack of training and leadership do to all law enforcement officers when it resilts in tragedies like we've seen.

 


 
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the majority signed up to do "the right thing"

These "good guys" - are they wearing masks?


 
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I very much doubt that the influx since Trump got back in, who have not been properly vetted are doing it for the right reasons.


 
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I very much doubt that the influx since Trump got back in, who have not been properly vetted are doing it for the right reasons.

The article does mention that. There’s also the neo-nazi dog whistling that’s been going on in the recruitment campaigns too…


 
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I'm sure the Wehrmacht were also quite honourable people before 1933. Didn't stop them becoming a generally evil mob through ideologically driven leadership and an influx of undesirables from the SA.

For me the stand out thing in all this is the lack of compassion or empathy in the US administration and the immediate compliance of those in positions enforcing the doctrine. The guards, administrators and personnel at the front line, who act without question or thought.  They’ll quite happily go along with the flow. It’s just a job…

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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This might have been posted before. its a few months old already, but I think we can see that the actions warned about have been happening. It is worth listening to it all.

 


 
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I'm sure the Wehrmacht were also quite honourable people before 1933. Didn't stop them becoming a generally evil mob through ideologically driven leadership and an influx of undesirables from the SA.

You've read that article then?

 


 
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You've read that article then?

Yes, it reads like a hand-wringing confessional of someone who, if it were 1946, would probably end up in dock. Being concerned that you're part of the baddies is not the same as standing up and telling your commander to go shaft themselves because the orders and their implementation by your compatriots stretches the bounds of legality.

CBPS and ICE, indeed the whole of DHS were never good/nice people, under any administration. Morale was never high - you only had to queue in any passport line on entry to the US and watch their demeanour. It was always a stark contrast coming through Pearson using the pre-clearing there and watching the interactions of the RCMP with the public vs the intransigent Vogonity of those from CBPS. They were just arseholes. Christ, immigration at Sheremetyevo is friendlier than ORD, and that was with some decidedly interesting stamps in my passport.

Worst experience I ever had was to accidentally screw up an ESTA application for my son, who was 8 at the time. Somehow checked the radio button for "yes" next to the question that was something like "Have you ever illegally worked or attempted to seek employment illegally in the United States?". Took three weeks to fix. To this day I can't work out how I ended up being able to speak to an actual person who could do something about it. Even then it was like communicating with an energy vampire.

Instead of whinging about their predicament, why don't they actually do something about it? The way it reads, they'll complain to reporters while trying to shut the door on the gas chamber, tutting. 

 


 
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I very much doubt that the influx since Trump got back in, who have not been properly vetted are doing it for the right reasons.

True although its worth noting in both Renee Good and Alex Pretti's cases their killers seem to have been long serving members.

Former case 10 years and then border patrol before hand. Latter is a bit less clear since seems to have been at least two individuals involved but one of them was reported as being at least eight years.

 


 
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I know we have mixed opinions on Ezra Klein, but his latest podcast "The week the world admitted the truth about America" is excellent. Focussing on Mark Carney's speech at Davos, he linkens Trump's actions to enshittification. Everyone has got used to the American system, likes using it, and has not built their own versions. So now Trump has started to monetise it, reduce service quality, and extract maximum value from users.

Kind of an obvious parallel once it is pointed out, but not one I had joined up myself.


 
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So now Trump has started to monetise it, reduce service quality, and extract maximum value from users.

 

Funnily enough I had a similar thought a couple of days ago, late stage neoliberalism is basically "venture capitalist" processes brought to government, the USA with Trump is at the forefront, but the rest of us aren't that far behind, and we need to take notice of Carneys speach, and not just pay it lip service but take action to prevent the same happening here.

People are now disposable commodities to the owners of politics, to have every ounce of worth squeezed out of them then thrown on the scrapheap.


 
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Trump defending Noem seems like a time limited position

Hes also saying that Pretti shouldn't have been carrying a gun- that is really going to upset the NRA and a lot of his base

hes managing to piss off everyone 


 
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I think someone’s going to take one for team Trump,but I’d be surprised if it’s Noem.

Well, you know we're doing a big investigation," he responded. "I'm going to be watching over it. I want a very honorable and honest investigation. I want to see it myself."


 
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But the spoilers already out before the investigation gets underway.

Meanwhile, White House Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt says Trump absolutely supports the Second Amendment for law-abiding Americans, but not for people who impede immigration enforcement operations.

 


 
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So now Trump has started to monetise it, reduce service quality, and extract maximum value from users.

 

Funnily enough I had a similar thought a couple of days ago, late stage neoliberalism is basically "venture capitalist" processes brought to government, the USA with Trump is at the forefront, but the rest of us aren't that far behind, and we need to take notice of Carneys speach, and not just pay it lip service but take action to prevent the same happening here.

People are now disposable commodities to the owners of politics, to have every ounce of worth squeezed out of them then thrown on the scrapheap.

 

Yep, they're Private Equity-ing everyday life, just like you'd expect a bunch of sociopaths with nothing but disdain for anyone who has failed to be born rich like them to do.

 


 
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But the spoilers already out before the investigation gets underway.

Meanwhile, White House Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt says Trump absolutely supports the Second Amendment for law-abiding Americans, but not for people who impede immigration enforcement operations.

 

 

That is fabulous.  Even I understand the second amendment better than that.

 


 
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As a statement it still portrays that he was "impeding" ICE, he wasn't he was monitoring them and ICE agents attacked them, that narrative should be pushed back against also. This is a trick they pull, the big lie in any story they portray allows them to get away with the smaller lies that still re-enforce the overall narrative.


 
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As a statement it still portrays that he was "impeding" ICE, he wasn't he was monitoring them.

To be fair, he did impede them (he went to help the woman they were manhandling which is why they went for him). I am not condoning it in any way, but it isn't true to say he didn't impede them.


 
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That is fabulous.  Even I understand the second amendment better than that.

I think this incident may loose the Trump administration quite a few of it's former supporters. Most of these folks are pretty fundementalist about this; You either have both first amendment rights and gun rights or you don't, and most of the folks who're determinedly 2AR/open carry do so out of concern of 'Govt tyranny'.

If the Noem's and Bovino's and Levitt's are saying "well, there's exceptions"  there's going to be blowback. 

 


 
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and most of the folks who're determinedly 2AR/open carry do so out of concern of 'Govt tyranny'.

I believe the 2nd ammendment/right to bear arms was specifically aimed at preventing the federal government from taking  control of individual states


 
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Well I'm no constitutional expert and I know the meaning of the 2nd amendment has been endlessly debated, but to me "A well regulated Militia" does not mean the general untrained public.


 
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Noem's getting her revenge in first. Apparently she's now saying everything she said, she did so because Stephen Miller and Trump told her to.

 


 
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To be fair, he did impede them (he went to help the woman they were manhandling which is why they went for him). I am not condoning it in any way, but it isn't true to say he didn't impede them

Define "impede". Is this the limit of the Constitution?


 
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Define "impede". 

  1. delay or prevent (someone or something) by obstructing them; hinder.
     

For a second time, the agent pushes the civilian with the orange backpack. The civilian falls to the ground near the white S.U.V. Mr. Pretti tries to put himself between the D.H.S. agent and the two civilians.

 


 
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Noem's getting her revenge in first. Apparently she's now saying everything she said, she did so because Stephen Miller and Trump told her to.

 

She'd best not go near any windows in tall buildings.

 


 
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Has Trump effectively handed over the running of the country to Stephen Miller while he concentrates on upsetting and angering people while making rambling speeches?  


 
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I believe the 2nd ammendment/right to bear arms was specifically aimed at preventing the federal government from taking  control of individual states

That may have been the idea back in the old days but now, the 2nd is there to stop the "wrong" government taking over. If you're a Republican in a Democratic state, its not hard to see the mental gymnastics needed to agree to supressing the 2nd, but only for other people. 

 


 
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This seems bad:

 

this seems bad.jpg

 

Perfect time to leave the "woke" WHO...


 
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Perfect time to defund the 'woke' and 'diverse' CDC and install people that are vaccine sceptics (at best) in the department that directs health. I mean, the one guy that was on the news yesterday questioned the polo vaccine FFS.


 
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Has Trump effectively handed over the running of the country to Stephen Miller

I'd have to say he has, he's just too dumb to realise he's being played like a fiddle 


 
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upsetting and angering people while making rambling speeches?  

Receiving awards is all he's there for.


 
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he's just too dumb to realise he's being played like a fiddle 

With the obvious caveat that, unlike Theoden, there isn't an honourable and intelligent man underneath.


 
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yesterday questioned the polo vaccine FFS.

Will no one think of the horses 😀


 
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