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Mr Trump said: "I'm not gonna waste my time on a personal debate. Sit behind a computer, ridiculous. They cut you off... I'm not doing a virtual debate."
They should lower him on to the stage in a David Blaine style plastic box ,then give full control of his microphone switch to the moderator. That would finish him off.
Latest polling update from Nate Silver.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/
There we go, he’s far more ill than the carefully controlled video clips let on.
I think pretty much everyone understands that already.
He needed those debates to win.
The last debate was a disaster for him.
Plan B, to stay in power even after a loss, kicks in now
I don't think "plan" is quite the right word. That implies he's thought it through in a systematic manner. I think "reflex" is a better description of how he operates - even when he's utterly beaten, his reflex is to just deny reality and accuse other people of lying and cheating. He's always been like that, this isn't a new plan, it's just how he operates.
Did Pence submit a negative Covid test prior to the debate? Couldn’t help noticing he had conjunctivitis (an uncommonly recorded Covid symptom), and insisted on being seated rather than standing behind the lectern. And obviously, flies can smell death and decay from miles away.
He was at the super-spreader event in the Rose Garden, and a couple of others too.
Who knows. They're being so vague on Trump's tests, despite claiming before he was tested several times a day, with a suspicion they continued campaigning and doing fund events until the Hope Hicks positive test leaked.
IMO they'd do the same with Pence ahead of the VP debate. Him being positive and pulling out would have been a(nother) disaster.
Nice of Karen Pence to take off her mask before joining Mike on stage last night 🙄
Key thing will be whether Justice Department career staff and military staff quit rather than follow a crazy man.
The military top brass have already made it clear they are not his patsies.
Nice of Karen Pence to take off her mask before joining Mike on stage last night
God will protect them.
Latest polling update from Nate Silver.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast//blockquote >Cheers for that. That 'winding path' graphic is my favourite graphic of the election, perhaps of all time. I need sufficiently dumbed down info to appreciate the state of play
Edit: sorry that reads a bit sarcastic, it's not meant to be I mean it
Yeah, that is a great site.
I think pretty much everyone understands that already.
Of course they do. But this is Trump as good as admitting it... despite anything else he says this week.
This is based on the Fivethirtyeight forecast.
Can anyone point me towards a poll which shows trump having a credible path to victory?
I can't find one.
How long before his horse whisperers start telling him to start preparing for his
post-presidential life?
The SDNY prosecutors must surely be salivating at the prospect of issuing the legal suits against him they've been working on.
I doubt he has the appetite for the legal fight entailed in trying to defend himself; either say yes guilty as charged or locked room with loaded revolver.
If the latter...you can hear the words now - a good man was persecuted; he should be seen as a martyr; he gave his life for the greater good of the american people and so it will go on.
When he goes the whole stinking edifice surrounding and propping him up will crumble leaving a rancid smell and huge debts.
Let's hope that Biden and Harris are upto the huge rebuilding effort required - there are so many aspects to that; domestic, international, racial, cultural, economic, diplomatic for starters.
From Politico today...
Even the president’s favorite pollster — Rasmussen Reports, whose methodology doesn’t meet POLITICO’s standards — has the president behind Biden by more than 10 points.
Here's a link to the full article...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/07/trump-polls-dire-picture-427416
The walls are beginning to close in on trump.
How long before his horse whisperers start telling him to start preparing for his
post-presidential life?
He has no horse whisperers. Anyone who disagrees with him gets fired. He's living in a bubble where he thinks everyone loves him. That's why he loves the big stadium events with his fans cheering him on. Having someone tell him, "Hey, tone down the hate stuff and try to win over moderates" is not in his DNA. Everyone he interacts with constantly tells him he is winning bigly because they are terrified of being fired if they tell him the reality.
On his health, Mr Trump said: "I'm back because I'm a perfect physical specimen."
Wow. Just wow
Hasn't he already given up by refusing to do the debate?
Either that or it's COVID related.
I’ve not had that particular corticosteroid but I have recently been on a VERY high dose of another one and yeah making you feel 20 years younger is pretty much spot on. I felt bloody brilliant when I was taking them at the high dose. So so much energy. More than I’ve had in decades.
The come down has been less good but hey ho a price has to be paid for these things.
Interesting. They should try these things in the tour de France 🤔
But anyway - how long were you on the high does of steroids for? Or, to get to my point, what's to stop them pumping him full of steroids from now til election day, to allow him to keep campaigning and stave off fatigue etc?
trump's horse whisperers - donny jr, ivanka, eric, kushner, giuliani.
When he goes will his high profile children - those named above - become social pariahs or will they attempt to present themselves as 'victims'?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Trump is little more than a useful idiot. Every time he opens his mouth and says something controversial, the people who put him in office and who quietly funded his campaign do something equally morally reprehensible. Real money has been spent on getting Christian fundamentalists into positions of power and influence, along with a fair few crooks along for the ride.
It's also worth pointing out that between the escalation of the Vietnam conflict in 1961 to it's conclusion in 1975, 58,000 American soldiers were killed. In the ten months or so since Coronavirus reached America, four times that number of people have lost their lives and hundreds of thousands more will be reliant upon healthcare services for a long time yet. Coronavirus's political ramifications will be seismic, the far right has had no answer to a pandemic because it offers very little substance beyond repeated slogans. The Emperor's new clothes have been revealed for exactly what they are.
While I'm on the subject, this is also quite the defining moment: Greece's Golden Dawn party is judged to be a criminal organisation
The thing is, Trump - like the Golden Dawn degenerates - didn't get where he is by accident. Those who quietly fund fascists need to be held to account.
But anyway – how long were you on the high does of steroids for?
I was only on that extremely high dose dose for a five days. To be clear it was FAR in excess of anything you'd get for something like asthma so a TUE won't really help as a dose that high means "something is seriously wrong". 😉
Or, to get to my point, what’s to stop them pumping him full of steroids from now til election day, to allow him to keep campaigning and stave off fatigue etc?
The stuff I was on doesn't really stave off fatigue as such rather it gets your mind buzzing but that lack of sleep still builds up. Also the other side effects can be pretty serious; these are not drugs you want obe on a high dose for for an extended period of time. They are also massively immuno suppressant (I was amazed that they are used to treat something like covid but then I'm a patient not a doctor or researcher) so you'd want to be careful taking them.
Regeneron have applied for FDA approval following trump's claim that it's a covid cure.
https://investor.regeneron.com/static-files/6feab76b-176d-402d-bf30-d40462e68b7b
hundreds of thousands more will be reliant upon healthcare services for a long time yet
You're right that is interesting, I'd not thought of that. What will insurance companies have to do to fund this?
I read on the cnn site earlier that a doctor suspected that trump's treatment would have cost the normal person >$1000000 and still they wouldn't have got the monoclonal
You’re right that is interesting, I’d not thought of that. What will insurance companies have to do to fund this?
Quite simply, they'll do everything possible not to fund this. There's a reason why Trump is tweeting misinformation about the Democrats and medicare.
(I was amazed that they are used to treat something like covid but then I’m a patient not a doctor or researcher)
Treating the illness caused by this virus is very different to stopping you catching it... but that's for another thread... in fact, I'm pretty sure it was done early on in the Coronavirus thread... with some very interesting and knowledgeable contributions. Short version is... your immune system is not always your friend, and sometimes needs keeping in check.
Short version is… your immune system is not always your friend, and sometimes needs keeping in check
Tell me about it!
Trump really is unbelievable. I mean I have read SF stories that are not as far fetched in the plots and still have difficulty believing them!
If it wasn't all so serious it would be soooooooooo funny
When he goes will his high profile children – those named above – become social pariahs or will they attempt to present themselves as ‘victims’?
The trick with rhetorical questions is you need to contrast two things that are at opposite ends of the spectrum and mutually exclusive.
They are also massively immuno suppressant (I was amazed that they are used to treat something like covid but then I’m a patient not a doctor or researcher) so you’d want to be careful taking them.
Yes, long-term steroids are very risky for cardiovascular health amongst other things. But as we know, Trump's cardiovascular health is exemplary despite all the hamberders /s. They're not something you'd want to be on long-term and are used either as a short course or in tapering doses in most cases.
For side effects, see here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cushing-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20351310
(Cushing syndrome is the physiological analogue to excess exogenous corticosteroids).
There are probably better* drugs to maintain mental alertness over a 30 day time period, like amphetamines, or cocaine. Or, you know, a drawer full of Sudafed.
The reason that Covid is so dangerous in a seemingly unpredictable minority is that your body responds wot infection with a hyperinflammatory state, leading to inflammation in the lungs, small blood vessels etc. This is actually pretty common, see also sepsis, multiple severe trauma, autoimmune conditions etc. Steroids dampen down this inflammation which is probably why they help in cases of severe Covid.
EDIT: * 'Better' is probably not the best choice of words for drugs of abuse. If your goal is to improve mental alertness pharmacologically, steroids are probably not your first choice.
Regeneron have applied for FDA approval following trump’s claim that it’s a covid cure.
Not quite. they have applied for an Emergency Use Authorisation based on an early treatment COVID19 study which showed strong virological inhibition and a reduction in hospitalisations. Endorsement by POTUS is but a small advantage.
Lilly are applying for the same based on similar data.
He's done another 'your favourite President here' vids. Until they let him out again we're going to get one every day I suspect.
TiRed, my wording was a bit lazy but the link to Regeneron's site provided details of their EUA.
Subject to them receiving approval, demand - driven by trump's endorsement - will massively exceed their limited supply.
Polls, Polls......
With Joe on the other side I'm getting a 2016 déjà vu
More outpourings from trump, including criticising his two most senior appointments...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/520160-trump-swipes-at-barr-pompeo-wray-in-fox-business-interview
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/520163-trump-calls-harris-a-monster
In other news, Pelosi moves even closer to calling for 25th amendment to be invoked...
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/520191-pelosi-were-going-to-be-talking-about-25th-amendment
The Trump team are complaining that those tasked with organising the debates are seeking to "protect Biden".... well they had better be! It's damn obvious that the President and his people can't be trusted to share a room with anyone... never mind an old man who is likely to be President next year.
That SNL sketch is damn good. I still fear that we may see that night stretched over weeks of postal vote count announcements this time.
"Mike Pompeo has been unable to get them out, which is very sad, actually," Trump said. "I’m not happy about him for that reason. He was unable to get them out. I don’t know why. You’re running the State Department, you get them out."
C'mon Mike, get them out for the President 😀
In other news, Pelosi moves even closer to calling for 25th amendment to be invoked…
Why does that feel like a nailed-on vote loser for Biden?
Why does that feel like a nailed-on vote loser for Biden?
It doesn't.
Loving his latest infomercial! It's got it all - great president, the direct link between him getting ill and the therapeutics going mainstream, some stock pushing, a sprinkling of god, a link to the timing of the election, dissing the Chinese and some weird thing about the Generals.
Where do I sign up?
...great president, the direct link between him getting ill and the therapeutics going mainstream, some stock pushing, a sprinkling of god, a link to the timing of the election, dissing the Chinese and some weird thing about the Generals...
Nuts, isn't it?
I imagine that the families of 7.58m Americans might want more than platitudes right now.
Surviving Coronavirus in America isn't cheap.
Anything that Trump says about "finally getting it", or invoking divine intervention will sound hugely tone-deaf. Remember that Trump's key voter demographics are often the most vulnerable to this insidious virus.
I’m not sure if the Regeneron arm is active yet but it’s coming soon-ish AIUI. I work with people who facilitate RECOVERY, so although I’m not involved at all I get some gossip intermittently.
I’d heard end of Sep but no sign at our place yet.
Regeneron’s antibody treatment was developed using embryonic stem cell research. Which will probably be glossed over slightly by the president, I’m guessing.
Did you tip off the NYT @martinhutch?
'The antibody cocktail for Covid-19 that President Trump touted on Wednesday afternoon was developed with cells originally derived from fetal tissue, a practice that the president had repeatedly condemned.
In June 2019, the Trump administration suspended federal funding for most new scientific research involving fetal tissue derived from abortions.
“Promoting the dignity of human life from conception to natural death is one of the very top priorities of President Trump’s administration,” the Department of Health and Human Services said in a prepared statement.'
I still believe that the real Trump died in 1987 or else is in hiding on an Island in the Sun. Whatever. The ‘Trump‘ that we see today is in reality a #deepcover animatronic puppet-suit-tank
i think a far more likely reality is on the 19th of jan 2021 ‘trump’ will pull of his mask and Andy Kaufman will the reveal the punchline to a gag he’s been working on since 19 May 1984
Even if Trump does it again & owns all us libs
At least we'll have had these ace Lincoln Project ads
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1314297485318217728?s=09
Another from The Lincoln Project.
https://lincolnproject.us/video/hospital/