A similar narrative was thrown Boris when was sick he got through being ” “strong” and having “courage” which suggest anyone who doesn’t survive doesn’t have it.
mericans also like to throw int the "god" thing too, the suggestion being you died because you are bad and survived cos you're blessed.
Yep, he showed great leadership by putting himself out there and catching it (unlike Bidon), it can be conquered by bravery (Covid deaths are for suckers and losers) like BJ taking it on the chin. His tax evasion makes him smart. Alongside his $70k on hair-dos, it looks like they've replaced his neck with a camel toe. Is there a message there?.
unlike Bidon
Yeah, he bottled it.
Chapeau!
The timing of all of this certainly doesn't fit with what we know about typical Covid illness. Either:
1) He started with the disease a lot earlier than he let on (probably before the debate) OR
2) He's in the window between the initial symptoms and the day 8-10 risky period. Whether he takes a nosedive at 8 days is unpredictable. Remember the images of Boris looking terrible whilst 'clapping for carers' outside 10 Downing St, a couple of days before he got taken into ITU? That's what Trump looks like now.
Either way, he's acting like a psychopath. I really hope this illness proves to be his downfall*, it would be so beautifully poetic. But hey, it's 2020, so I'm sure there are more twists to this story to come.
I'd hate to be his doctors right now - unable to speak the truth about his ongoing risk yet will be blamed by some in the event of a relapse of Trump's symptoms.
*Political, etc.
2) He’s in the window between the initial symptoms and the day 8-10 risky period. Whether he takes a nosedive at 8 days is unpredictable. Remember the images of Boris looking terrible whilst ‘clapping for carers’ outside 10 Downing St, a couple of days before he got taken into ITU? That’s what Trump looks like now.
This one is more likely. Probably at about day 8/9 from exposure.
Chateau, Bill MC.
martinhutch
Full MemberIt’s reasonably likely that Donald’s ‘don’t fear the Covid’ message will be subtly undermined by his symptoms rebounding by the weekend and him getting readmitted. And if that happens, he is in real trouble.
I think there's a big roll of the dice happening basically. Get him full of steroids and rush him back to the white house in the fairly short window of opportunity that gains you,so that you can pretend he's "returned home" (and not just to the excellent 24 hour healthcare he'll get there). If he relapses, then politically it's really not that much worse for him than just having played it cautious. If he's lucky and gets a quick return to some sort of normality then it definitely will play well with many.
Already a lot of the messaging is about how he's "better" and "back to normal" and "please ignore the fact that I have better access to healthcare in the house I live in, for free, than most Americans can ever access"
Genuinely surprised that he'll stake his health on this, though. I mean, he's been taking risks with his health since about 1970 but this is one that even the biggest delusional idiot can't really delusional idiot themselves around.
I’d hate to be his doctors right now – unable to speak the truth about his ongoing risk yet will be blamed by some in the event of a relapse of Trump’s symptoms.
I have a feeling they are his doctors in name only. Like almost everything else in his life he knows best and he is calling the shots. I suspect the drugs he has taken came after a 'What has you got? OK, I'll have some of that and some of that and I'll have it now" chat. My hunch is he is one of the lucky ones who was a prime case for a proper dose of covid but is largely asymptomatic. Taking the 'great drugs he designed and made possible' is part of the play so he can take credit for the drugs and look the hero showing the way as to how to beat it.
Still hoping I'm wrong though and he is suffering/ about to suffer in a big way.
The whole "battle" metaphor he's using around this is horrible as well. The notion that he's fought and overcome this is all well and good except that it implies those suckers that have died didn't fight hard enough.
It's another example of anything going well being down to him personally. Bad things are the fault of fake news, Democrats, China etc.
1) He started with the disease a lot earlier than he let on (probably before the debate) OR
They had a super-spreader party at the White House last Saturday. A whole bunch of people got infected.
Yup. It's sort of interesting that the internet has been able to perform highly effective contact tracing from that event, and some of the people who've subsequently tested positive, were warned of the risk they'd been exposed to not by proper contact tracing, but by reddit.
Meanwhile, the white house itself hasn't just decided not to do any contact tracing around the president, that event, the donor event, or any of the other times he and his team will almost certainly have infected people. It's also actively blocking efforts by other groups.
I’d hate to be his doctors right now – unable to speak the truth about his ongoing risk yet will be blamed by some in the event of a relapse of Trump’s symptoms.
I don't claim to know the precise voting habits of his doctors but as a likely part of the coastal metropolitan elite they must really be struggling at all levels; patient, societal, professional, ethical. Is this Walter Reed joint only staffed by military doctors who are likely more predisposed to 'do as they're told' or does it employ freer-thinking individuals too?
Regarding the Thursday golf club event, is there any known transmission from that? Presumably it was crowded with white, middle aged, overweight and elderly males.
I can see Biden convincingly winning the popular vote, and winning across the board in states...but losing because of interference with the mail voting and the electoral college.
And then, civil unrest
Against my better instincts I hope he survives, loses the election without a shoot-out, then the SDNY lawyers can have a go at nailing his colossal frauds. I can see him in orange.
No new tweets yet from trump, that’s unusual as by now he’s usually rattled off at least a dozen rabid tweets, perhaps he’s having a lie in.
Keep the polls coming hols2... they're cheering us along a bit.
I still think he'll declare himself victorious within 48 hours of polls closing. And I have less faith in the checks, balances and good sense and values that should prevent that from meaning anything then I had four years ago. Things have changed politically in a way I don't claim to fully understand... and I don't know if we're at the end of that change... I strongly expect the unthinkable to happen, and become normalised, just as they have been incrementally over the last four years on both sides of the Atlantic.
My concern is that he is certainly not in the big grift on his own, there are still other interested parties that will prop him up at least until the election is finally called. And I'm really not sure you can trust polls still, appearing to be down may just suit him as it motivates the swivel-eyed, conspiracy theorist contingent (who probably won't participate in polling) to reinforce the Republican vote on election day.
The thing about all of this is that despite the transparent rhetoric, epic incompetence and sheer callousness of the man, the GOP faithful will still stick by the big baby. Trump's presidency is a 'project' that has borne fruit so far...
And it's not because he's a safe pair of hands or has superior insight, but because he is still a useful idiot, a walking propaganda tool that plays well with disaffected voters that have far right/"Alt right" tendencies, and he is still well aligned with the major priorities of core Republicans.
Keeping America Socially regressive, prizing economic activity and preserving the top 5-percenter's standard of living above all else, these are his only real jobs.
If He sticks to that role they will almost certainly do their bit; stuff him full of fancy drugs, pump up the advertising campaigns, hammer the fake news machine hard and if needs be fix Florida and a couple of other states again. Because four more years is still worth it to them...
I'm not sure he needs to be out campaigning, I don't think he really needs to appear as a big strong macho man that can shrug off respiratory failure with the power of fake faith and ego, other than perhaps to convince himself. So long as He's still technically alive on the 3rd of November there's 40% in the bag, an unknown sleeper contingent ready to prop him up and the odd State Governor who can call in a fix if needed...
Plus if Trump were to cark it now I still doubt it would play out to Biden's benefit. Rather than the President killed by his own incompetence and bravado, He'd become a martyr to the "China Flu" and Pence would get the top spot for a bit...
Nope what the world needs is actually for Trump to have a proper close call with CV19 and recover. Then for Biden to demonstrate some magnanimity and integrity through out it all to try and sway the more moderate voters by appearing more "presidential" than the current president. And once Trump is back on his feet and spouting, then Biden and Co. can loudly and clearly point out that he has killed thousands of Americans with his bungling, and it's only exceptional privilege that saved him from the same fate... I fear in order for that to play out there might have to be a delay to the election...
At this point I certainly wouldn't admit to a journalist/ pollster that I was going to vote Trump. The polls are nice but I'm not reassured, and I'm worried that complacency will be the Dems' downfall. Everyone has to get out and vote.
I'm sure you've seen it already on social media but the similarity between his 'doctors' appearing outside the building all in white coats is so much of Armando Iannucci's Death of Stalin, he also did the thick of it, its ridiculous.
I've never known a single human to need so much attention and needy adoration as the tangoman.
At this point I certainly wouldn’t admit to a journalist/ pollster that I was going to vote Trump.
Interesting thing about that 14 point poll lead is that there are almost no undecided voters, which is a big change from a week or two ago. Trump's support hasn't really gone down, but the undecided voters have all gone with Biden. Trump needs to attract those voters away from Biden, but it's likely that his crazy shit at the debate and this covid debacle are what helped them decide. If that's the case, he would need to completely reverse direction in the next three weeks and show that he can behave like a grown-up. That's not going to happen because he cannot acknowledge to himself that his behaviour is what's repelling voters.
Four years ago, Clinton had a double-digit lead in early October too, but there were still a lot of undecided voters who eventually decided it was worth a gamble on a spectacularly wealthy and successful businessman to shake things up a bit. Those voters are now well shaken up.
but this is one that even the biggest delusional idiot can’t really delusional idiot themselves around.
This is how the Trumps roll. There's a massive influence from the early 20th self help guru Norman Peale on the entire family right from Fred Sr. on down. There's a utterly mad belief that just the power of positive thought is enough. According to his niece, he's a pathological hatred of illness, sees it as personal weakness.
At this point I certainly wouldn’t admit to a journalist/ pollster that I was going to vote Trump
Core Trump voters are completely happy to admit that they vote Trump. Bear in mind there's a massive base of uneducated folk that think he's done an amazing job!
Yep, he showed great leadership by putting himself out there and catching it (unlike Bidon)
I guess he didn't bottle it.
Core Trump voters are completely happy to admit that they vote Trump. Bear in mind there’s a massive base of uneducated folk that think he’s done an amazing job!
Agree. The rednecks in MAGA hats don't care what reporters think, but that's not who I was meaning. It's the moderates* who perhaps feel awkward to publicly admit that they can look past Trump's racism because he also says what they like hearing about the police/guns/abortion/whatever.
It's not over yet.
* America is weird. These people aren't moderate by my definition but w/e.
I guess he didn’t bottle it.
It was funnier the first time 😉
It was funnier the first time 😉
Dammit!
Trump maths. 215k+ and counting in 7 months from COVID compared with 100k (absolute worst case, usually much less) from flu.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313449844413992961
Yet he has some hugely intelligent and extremely savvy operators working for him
Nope, and the ones that do work for him, are mostly too busy fighting with each other like rats in a sack. Trump does what he wants. He’s the only “operator” in the White House.
The interview below with Miles Taylor - once Whitehouse Chief of Staff - reveals a lot about the 'savvy operators' working for him..... you can't work with him, or for him, or inspite of him. Its typically the case with any president that they're the least experienced person in the whitehouse because they start the job having never been a president before. But thats ok because they are surrounded by people with decades of experience. The job of all those 'savvy operators' is to guide them through the job so they do it effectively and more importantly legally. Trump won't take any help, he sees advice as an insult so he attacks the people who try to help him. He even loses his shit if he just sees someone writing anything down - like he's discovered they're wearing a wiretap.
If you look at all the people who've jumped or been pushed - they all believed their expertise would allow them to work with the president and guide him for the good of the country (because of or despite his stated intentions) or at least for the good of an agenda. And they all found out you can only fail in that respect , that the best they can achieve is some sort of distraction that bumps him off a disastrous path for a while.
The interview also reveals an awful lot about Trump's inherent cruelty and his genuine desire to see people get hurt as a result of his policies. He wants the heavy handed police tactics at demonstrations - when he was told the border force can't just shoot immigrants dead at the border like asked he wanted them to at least be shot in the legs<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">. He asked for a price to have the spikes along the length of his border sharpened.</span>
Also it’s predicted we won’t know the election result until end of Nov
There was someone from the Democrats saying exactly this to Mark Pack on a recent Never Mind The Bar Charts podcast. They clearly do elections very differently.
On a tangent:
https://twitter.com/thepig993/status/1312550993624735746?s=21
Well, 4 days after testing positive he is claiming to be symptom free. I have a feeling this may come back and bite a bit harder though.
Trump 'feeling no symptoms' says doctor
President Trump met with his team of doctors at the White House earlier today, according to a statement.
"He had a restful first night at home, and today he reports no symptoms," wrote Dr Sean Conley.
His vital signs are stable, the doctor continued, adding that "overall he continues to do extremely well".
I’ve read infected last Wednesday, so would expect any major issues to start in the next couple of days. Likely exacerbated by not resting properly.
Then there’s everyone likely infected at the same time as Trump or by his imbecilic actions since. It’s not just him that needs to survive, it’s everyone directly linked. There’s a lot of elderly Senators in the mix.
Well, 4 days after testing positive he is claiming to be symptom free.
The balcony video where he was obviously gasping says otherwise.
So if someone at that party, or that was in the Truck or 'copter dies, is he effectively a murderer? Or at least could be convicted of manslaughter?
The heavy breathing on the balcony could just be because he's a fat old knacker. How often do we see him stand after walking any distance?
Except he wasn't breathing like a fat old knacker who's just jogged up some stairs. He was forcing air into his lungs the same way I did when I had double pneumonia and pleurisy.
The heavy breathing on the balcony could just be because he’s a fat old knacker.
Even the wincing as he breathed in?
He is a fat old knacker who apparently lives on a diet of fast food and avoids exercise as he believes the body has a finite supply of energy (though we’re probably better avoiding the subject of MTBing presidents).
However, he was using accessory muscles and breathing at a rate of about 30, on minimal exertion. And he looked really uncomfortable.
So if someone at that party, or that was in the Truck or ‘copter dies, is he effectively a murderer? Or at least could be convicted of manslaughter?
More the political ramifications.
Dont be scared of Covid loses its edge* if your GOP Senator dies from it.
*Im aware you have to be a ****wit for it to have an edge
Is anyone else perversely excited about what batshit crazy thing he's going to do next?
More wondering what flavour he’ll pick for his humble pie.
I imagine it’ll be bitter, whatever he chooses
Is anyone else perversely excited about what batshit crazy thing he’s going to do next?
It's certainly got the plot twists of thriller but it's happening much slower than your average film. It's a bit infuriating! Come on, collapse on camera or something!
