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Proceeds are going to charity but are split between the agency and the photographer (also Farage's aide) so is it Wigmore's cut that's being donated or both?
Plus Wigmore himself is the only source for the amount raised. Fair enough if true but is this not a case of the 'virtue signalling' that has so been decried by the right wingers on here in the past?
mikewsmith - Member
Still denying the Russian involvement in the hacking
Saw the news footage of him being doorstepped on this issue and his response rang a few alarms...
To paraphrase, "I know a lot about hacking, and hacking is really difficult to prove". Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
For me it seemed more like he has no idea what he was talking about but was attempting to muddy the waters in case the reports all say it was Russian organised support for his campaign SAD FACE
To paraphrase, "I know a lot about hacking, and hacking is really difficult to prove". Sounds an awful lot like someone who may have used such methods in the past...
Sounds like someone who's repeating an overheard conversation and regurgitating it in order to sound knowledgeable, when, in fact, they're not.
Trumps huge, but delicate ego could never publicly admit that he might have been helped to victory by Russian hackers.
His normal recourse would be to sue the crap out of anyone who in any way slighted him as he has done 100s (1000s?) Of times in the past.
He can't sue the FBI, CIA and NSA though
He's just assuming he can bury it once he's inaugurated
Given his whole cyber security spiel during the election cycle was that his son had a computer and was really smart...
I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that's true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester, and certainly cyber is one of them.
I wouldn't read much into the above statements. I think as said, he's probably just trying to muddy the water a bit.
Jambalaya you said the picture had raised £200,000 for charity, your source says £4000. Did you maybe Trumpify the details a bit?
Wigmore said £4k in November, £200k end of December.
[quote=akira said]Jambalaya you said the picture had raised £200,000 for charity, your source says £4000. Did you maybe Trumpify the details a bit?
It wasn't jamba's source. And the Mail link (boo, hiss etc) has the 200K claim.
If it happens then good but previous Trump charity dealings don't inspire me with confidence. Coming shortly after the 350 million for the nhs if past form is anything go by.
Hacking. Quite a lot of interesting articles. One says the Chinese have been far more agressive over past 12 months but no diplomatic action ? Amusing piece here on Obama / expulsions
Slightly more serious, Why did Trump win and more importantly why did Clinton lose (she got 6m fewer votes than Obama in 2008 and 10m fewer than in 2004, Democrats did not turn out for her)
Has Trump being sued for $300m by Deutsche Bank been done yet?
Interesting since his goverment will have to hold them to account for being a right bunch of bankers.
Slightly more serious, Why did Trump win and more importantly why did Clinton lose (she got 6m fewer votes than Obama in 2008 and 10m fewer than in 2004, Democrats did not turn out for her)
She got more votes than Trump
Wilburt have not heard that - will search it out. Deutsche did just agree an eye watering $7bn fine for sub-prime related shenanigans. EDIT: he was neber being sued, it was a potential "conflict of interest" (never was in my mind) but thats all mute now as Deutsche has agreed fine.
Hacking. Seems to remind a lot of commentators of the "intelligence" behind Iraq's-WMD
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439
Probably the most comprehensive list so far of the level of involvemnt he has around the world with business deals tied to banks, politicians and governments.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/tracking-trumps-web-of-conflicts/
It's a lot of unpicking really and leaves him very open to having any of his decisions challenged and questioned as to it's motives or when a foreign government suddenly makes something happen for a Trump Company.
Re hacking - Trumps shafted himself
After a statement as stupid as that even if the democrats are just cynically using the to deligitimise him, the story is not going to go away.
Add to mike's list of his labrynthine business interests, he's going to have to devote plenty of tweets to putting out these fires.
If the Apprentice n-word out takes ever get past his legal threats,there will be riots and real fires to put out too.
He's already the most expensive president elect the US taxpayers ever known, it's gonna be a shitshow !
He'll fill up the swamp with his puppets, make a few changes that suit him and his family then get bored and stand down possibly using pressure over his conflict of interests as an excuse.
Somewhere here there's a warning about democracy and the sort of people who can get into power by manipulating modern media.
If the Apprentice n-word out takes ever get past his legal threats,there will be riots and real fires to put out.
I assume the legal cost implication was to start the bidding war and give prople an idea of the price, of course we could just ask Russia to hack them and release them for us...
Kimbers, how has shafted himself with that ? The Russians didn't really hack the Democrats they sent a basic "Nigerian" phishing email and the guy clocked on the link. Bingo ! Stupid is as stupid does as they say in the US.
@wilburt that's taking the wishful thinking into fantasy land. The one thing we can all agree on is Trump has a massive ego. He is going to milk the Presidency for all he can profile and powerwise. He's going to run for a second term in 2020
That [i]is[/i] hacking! What did you expect?
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Any good hacker knows that the weakest part of any decent security is the meatbag sat at the keyboard. That's often the first line of attack.
Stupid is as stupid does as they say in the US.
There is a world of difference from a generic Nigerian phishing mail ("Greetings I am Prinse Azeem of Cambridge") and a proper individually-targeted "professional" spear-phishing email.
Also don't forget that the Republicans were also (apparently) hacked.
He is going to milk the Presidency for all he can profile and powerwise.
As we all thought it's got nothing to do with the people of the USA and making their lives better. It's about stroking the ego and filling the pockets of Trump and his Trumpettes.
a generic Nigerian phishing mail ("Greetings I am Prinse Azeem of Cambridge")
Someone told me (hearsay alert) that the obvious nature of these mails is a useful first line filter - anyone dumb enough to not spot the scam immediately is also dumb enough to pay over money without wising up half way through and wasting the scammer's time.
Following up with a very interesting opinion piece from today around this question of a lie and intent.
I’d be careful about using the word, “lie.” “Lie” implies much more than just saying something that’s false. It implies a deliberate intent to mislead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/02/yes-donald-trump-lies-a-lot-and-news-organizations-should-say-so
Of course there are varying levels of this around from dodging the question to out and out calling the sky yellow and grass being made of metal but for me it goes to a few levels, if you didn't bother to check what you claim is fact then it's either naive or lazy. Both maybe are not as bad as deliberately being misleading but in the circles of power etc. you are either not taking the time to be informed or the people informing you are not up to their jobs - both a fairly bad thing for a leader.
To continue to repeat a lie in the face of overwhelming evidence comes next, to just try and shout down the evidence and pretend it doesn't exist - the climate denyer strategy of picking the sub sample of data, quoting the outlier and out right manipulation are becoming more common.
Then the Brexit one where we are urged to address peoples fears regardless of how baseless they are regarding things like immigration, why bother educating when you can scare people.
Yes we probably did this to death in the days of post truth threads but this ain't going away unless the press are strong and independant, have the conviction and hold people to account.
The question would be, if not Russia, then who hacked the DNC, releasing info just before the election, to the detriment of Clinton and benefit of Trump.
(Where the Reps really hacked too?)
Obvs its a big claim to say it was Russia, beyond the odd Russian domain name and bits of script in Cyrillic, and DCleaks Russian ties, and snowden and assange's own Russian state involvements...
Still that is all circumstancial. There is no hard link of Russian gov to the hacks,
that'd have to be intercepted communications between someone in power and the hackers.
If that's what the CIA is sitting on then fair enough, I believe Trump was being briefed on the specifics today, I wonder how he will respond?
It might not have been Russia, plenty of other countries might benefit from having such an easily manipulated, inexperienced, destabilising narcissist in the White House.
Clearly it was the Chinese who wanted Trump to win because ...
oh ...
hang on a mo ...
This why Trump doesn't do press conferences or interviews- they couldn't/wouldn't publish the lies he comes out with.
By using twitter and is own productions he can say what he likes unmediated.
If he was elected the leader of a smaller nation, the US would be calling him a Tin Pot Dictator, telling lies, putting his family in office, creating division, spreading fear etc
If he was elected the leader of a smaller nation, the US would be calling him a Tin Pot Dictator, telling lies, putting his family in office, creating division, spreading fear etc
Not necessarily, the US has supported corrupt lying politicians who have seized power the world over.
They would only denounce him if he wasn't serving US interests.
(Where the Reps really hacked too?)
Seems so yes.
Here are reports in the mainstream liberal media:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-illinois-republican-party-email-hack-met-1212-20161211-story.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38325364
Here are the complaints that the mainstream liberal media didn't report it:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/liberal-media-refuses-report-republican-party-hacked-just-like-democrats/
And here's the Republicans denying that it happened:
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/gop-chair-rnc-emails-were-not-hacked-731731523520
Now the only way to know that you were not hacked is to know the people doing the hacking....
You know no smoke without fire and all that
I see the Reps are preparing the way for the trump presidency.
Hahaha, drain the swamp, my arse!
Sadly I suspect that for a good number of GOP voters [i]"ethics"[/i] falls under the same woolly-liberalism as [i]"militant pc culture"[/i].
See also "human rights" (and watch the same thing happening in the UK)
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On the leaks thing, [url= https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ ]Craig Murray[/url] claims it was an inside job - someone in the Democrat party cheesed off with all their crooked ways.
The Russians might well be busily hacking the DNC (and anyone else they can hack), but they're not the source of the leaks.
On the leaks thing, Craig Murray claims it was an inside job - someone in the Democrat party cheesed off with all their crooked ways.The Russians might well be busily hacking the DNC (and anyone else they can hack), but they're not the source of the leaks.
shirley they would be able to trace this person pretty easily? if they are constantly monitoring wikileaks traffic they must know who the source is
"Hacks" just show the Democrats to have poor security / stupid staff. Democrats ran out of excuses as they had the most money (double), they had the most experienced candidate (lifetime in politics vs none), they had almost all the mainstream media (even Fox was pretty hosttile to Trump) ... so last staw clutching excuse was "it was the Ruskies what did it"
Trump's win demonstrates quite clearly that the political establishment is in big trouble, more money/experience and media where not enough.
Trump's win demonstrates quite clearly that the political establishment is in big trouble, more money/experience and media where not enough.
Yes but not for the reasons you think, the problem is him.
Loving the in depth analysis of the exact way the hacks went down and the absolute certainty that nothing else was hacked. I would suggest to know all that your either in the CIA/FBI or a hacking group. Otherwise it's just making stuff up and claiming it's fact really.
"Hacks" just show the Democrats to have poor security / stupid staff.
As above, the Republicans were hacked too.
(Also have The Deplorables not learnt that name-calling your opponents doesn't really achieve anything 😉 )
so last staw clutching excuse was "it was the Ruskies what did it"
So do you reckon the CIA, the FBI and the Department for Homeland Security are all Democrat stooges then?
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312132-fbi-dhs-release-report-on-russia-hacking
Perhaps the hacking of the Republican Party was less successful, maybe they didn't use silly things like unsecured private servers to handle state secrets?
Or perhaps the hacking of the republicans just didn't reveal anything embarrassing?
Either way, the 'we only lost the election because the Russians hacked our emails' is just the latest in a series of excuses, see also 'the Russians hacked the vote machines' and 'republican vote fraud' which were going to be revealed by Jill Stein forcing a recount (anyone remember how that worked out BTW?)
It's understandable, it's a way of rationalising their loss, and is vital to them because they just can't believe/understand/conceptualise that so many people have different (and, therefore incorrect) beliefs and opinions from them, there has to be a nefarious explanation to their loss, as to admit their own understanding and analysis of what people wanted was so very, very wrong shakes their very foundations to the core
See Brexit for the same psychology at play, people only voted to leave in such numbers because they were tricked by leave campaign lies, not because they simp,y don't share the same priorities and belief as the remainders.
ninfan, same question as jamba: are you claiming that the CIA, the FBI and the Department for Homeland Security are all Democrat stooges?
Ninfan this isn't about who won and lost, if a foreign power such as Russia was actively attempting to influence the course of a US election through deliberate cyber attacks its news.
It's actually quite a big thing, as you can see by Trump's complete fingers in ears denials he knows its massive it means that people should really be questioning why his best mate in the world seems to be Vladimir Putin, invader of he neighbours, quasher of free speech, oppressor and manipulator along with having blood on his hands from the shooting down of mh17. Can't be a coincidence that Trump wants to smooth things over for his pall at ExxonMobil to get some more oil flowing can it?
On the Hillary emails supposedly two different legal challenges are saying Kerry did not fulfil his legal duty to do all he could to investigate / preserve Hillary emails wrt government servers. Whilst she may have deleted/scrubbed them at her end there will be many many thousands of people she has emailed at their official government address which should have retained copies.
There is zero evidence Russians affected the election by for example tampering with voting machines. What they are accused of is Wiki-leaking the contents of emails sent between Democrats. Are people really trying to claim that was significant ? Really ? Hillary dug her own holes with the private server and all the lies and deleting everything, plus anything Democrats where emailing each other should be regarded as "out in the open" anyway.
is this where ninfan tells us that Ivanka Trump looks very sexy in a bikini?
"Hacks" just show the Democrats to have poor security / stupid staff.
This made me laugh, essentially there are two type of companies/organisations in the world those that know they have been hacked, and those that don't.
If you had a clue what you were talking about Jambo you would realise this, as its next to impossible to have a 'secure system' which is usable by normal people, has a network connection and a link to the internet; that's why there is a shitload of investment into looking at the data flowing in and out of your organisation using packet analysis and deep learning to try and minimise what you lose.
As for obvious phishing attacks, unless you digitally sign all your messages, you really don't know where its come from and if its as the sender intended and some of the targeted phishing is very very difficult to spot even for experts.
As for obvious phishing attacks, unless you digitally sign all your messages..
...which jamba can't do as he is against encryption and encrypted messages. 😆
Vladimir Putin, invader of he neighbours, quasher of free speech, oppressor and manipulator along with having blood on his hands from the shooting down of mh17.
And someone proves that they have swallowed the US foreign policy narrative hook, line, and sinker.
is this where ninfan tells us that Ivanka Trump looks very sexy in a bikini?
..or gives a link to Donald saying it as proof that it's true?
Ford announces it has cancelled plans for a $1.6bn new factory in Mexico and instead the jobs will be created in the US.
Assange has said the Wiki source was not Russian
Assange has said the Wiki source was not Russian
And how exactly does he know that for a fact?
Not quite true on the Ford story.
They are going to expand an existing Mexican plant and create a new electric car at the Michigan plant.
And someone proves that they have swallowed the US foreign policy narrative hook, line, and sinker.
Please Ernie, enlighten me. Are journalists free? Are people opposed to Putin being locked up on exaggerated charges (pussy riot for example), did Russia support and provoke tensions in the Ukraine? Are the findings of mh17 not pointing right at a Russian supplied missile system. What about the state sponsorship of the doping programme? Are these things untrue?
Jambalaya, at this point it's not about the significance it's about Trump's reaction. His ego won't allow him to accepted that they wanted to help him. His initial policy vagueness via his appointment list is exceptionally pro Russia which is a massive change from the last 20 years. Are we not right to question the motivation for this and for people far more qualified to investigate?
Where are we now? 17 days no separation of business from.the office of president, no press conference, no plan.
No wonder Trump is the President-Elect coz he is absolutely right in his reaction whether via twitter or in person.
Just like his Presidential debate he practically wipes the floors of his opponents with his common sense.
Trump refers to his opponents as low energy, light weight or liar, choke artist ... 😆 True. He is absolutely right. I learn new phrase ... low energy ... I like that.
All you got to do is one glance at his opponents you know Trump has Trumped all of them regardless of who they are. A walk over then the rest is good funny entertainment courtesy of his opponents.
Here you go ... have a laugh.
Please Ernie, enlighten me.
No you believe whatever you want to believe.
Ernie well know Stooges of the US don't seem to thin Russia is such a great place
https://www.amnesty.org.au/russia-pokemon-go-ruslan-sokolovsky/
https://www.amnesty.org.au/russia-amnesty-internationals-moscow-office-sealed/
https://www.amnesty.org.au/un-intensify-scrutiny-russias-role-syria/
https://www.amnesty.org.au/russia-torture-allegations-must-investigated/
No you believe whatever you want to believe.
Well that is up there with the JHJ do your own research comments, the stuff I wrote about is well documented
Corruption is rife
http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table
and the state is exercising power to control rather than to govern. I'm sure you have your reasons for your belifs but you seem reluctant to share them.
Well that is up there with the JHJ do your own research comments
No I'm not asking you to do your own research. It's up to you if you want to embrace the US foreign policy narrative, I'm sure you've got your reasons.
Honestly, I'm not going to derailt he thread any more with it, I'm happy from a wide variety of sources that Russia and Putin are not somewhere I'd like to be, trust or welcome with open arms. Many international NGO's agree too
and I'm guessing this is all part of the US led narritive
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/flight-mh17-shot-down-by-missile-brought-in-from-russia-ukraine-malaysia-airlines
But ernie can you explain why it's not suspicious that Trump seems to have completlety back flipped on this narrative? What would have convinced him that it was all lies? He is already at odds with his own party on sanctions.
and I'm guessing this is all part of the US led narritive
Yes, we can agree on that.
I'm sure that we can also agree that this for example isn't
ah the selective quote...
In terms of international law and the way we do things annexing part of a soveriegn nation
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226
We still don't know for certain who the military forces who kicked the whole thing off were, all reports seemed to say they were Russian forces with the badges removed, is that how normal democracy works? Was the province in such dire threat that Russia needed to move in immediatly, seize buildings and kick off a referendum?
It's hardly the signs of a well functioning democracy is it.
Good summary on news tonight
"Twitter bullying"
I think we can be certain that the people of Crimea would rather be part of Russia. I think we can be certain they where not happy with the overthrow of their democratically elected government.
Twitter Bullying ? Ford are big boys. They do however, recognise the power of the President to impose import duty and renegotiate NAFTA.
I think Trump is onto something with his decision to largely bypass sections of the media. In this day and age why go via dated media formats and not direct ?
Twitter Bullying ? Ford are big boys. They do however, recognise the power of the President to impose import duty and renegotiate NAFTA.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2016/11/18/trump-can-claim-credit-but-the-reason-ford-isnt-moving-line-to-mexico-isnt-great-news-for-usa/#26de60a010f9
http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/18/13678404/trump-ford-jobs-mexico
From back in November and from today
Ford CEO Mark Fields called the move "a vote of confidence" in Trump, but primarily a response to a decline in North American demand for small cars like those that would have been made at the Mexican plant. [b]He said Ford would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected[/b].Ford will cancel plans unveiled in April to spend $1.6 billion to build the new plant in San Luis Potosi, Mexico, a project Trump urged the automaker to abandon and called an "absolute disgrace" during the election campaign.
The No. 2 U.S. automaker also said it would invest $700 million to expand the Flat Rock, Michigan factory and would make new electric, hybrid and autonomous vehicles there.
The decison has much more to do with the US domestic small car market than Trump though it gives Ford the chance to come over as good old all American.
I think Trump is onto something with his decision to largely bypass sections of the media. In this day and age why go via dated media formats and not direct ?
Exactly, why bother to engage with serious journalists who do pesky things like research, it will just upset him the delicate little snowflake, being reminded he is exagerating, making stuff up or out and out telling deliberate lies.
As posted earlier in this day and age of fake news and all the rest presenting your case to people who have the time and resources to check, rebuff and argue with you is important to the people. The press have a role twitter can't have, 1,000,000 followers doesn't make you credible it just means people are looking/laughing at you.
Hence the way people read part of a headline, decide on a conclusion and miss the point repeatidly.
Trump is absolutely right in his approach of hammering Ford.
He should hammer Ford harder!
... serious journalists ...
That description is total contradiction in Merica. 😆
Trump is absolutely right in his approach of hammering Ford.He should hammer Ford harder!
Why their decision had nothing to do with him? His hammering made no difference at all and highlights the massive problem only communicating via social media presents - it only allows for his view point to be expressed, no counter point for balance, no quote from Ford US, no comment from industry experts or analysts. If all you want is to have your opinion reinforced then great. However it's a short cut to much worse.
mikewsmith - Member
Why their decision had nothing to do with him? His hammering made no difference at all.
You think Ford is that naive knowing who will be in office in another 16 days time?
Ford is merely preempting Trump to get into Trump nice book and Trump knows that. 😛
... it only allows for his view point to be expressed, no counter point for balance, no quote from Ford US, no comment from industry experts or analysts. If all you want is to have your opinion reinforced then great. However it's a short cut to much worse.
Really. Aren't you countering his views now? There are so many countering views it is difficult to start because everyone has opinions. 😆
Quote from Ford US? It's a bit too late now innit so they better relocate back after all these years. 😆
YOu do know how to read other posts and articles don't you? The reasons for the decision are above, it's good PR from Ford to claim they are staying in the US when in fact it's a market led decision.
But now I remember your another one that doesn't like those pesky facts getting in the way of things.
mikewsmith - Member
YOu do know how to read other posts and articles don't you? The reasons for the decision are above, it's good PR from Ford to claim they are staying in the US when in fact it's a market led decision.But now I remember your another one that doesn't like those pesky facts getting in the way of things.
Regardless of what the article says have you actually been listening what Trump says so far about business going to Mexico? He has been saying about Merican business going to Mexico ... 😆
So no, you can't read them and don't want to read them and even if what they are saying is true you refuse to believe them.
“I know that doesn’t make it any easier for people whose jobs have been outsourced overseas, but if a company’s only means of survival is by farming jobs outside its walls, then sometimes it’s a necessary step. The other option might be to close its doors for good,” Trump wrote in the post.
Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.
Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.Manufacturing information online is not always reliable — for example, a photo of one shirt shows a “Made in Bangladesh” label, but the item description says it was made in China. This may be a reflection of the different countries that products sometimes pass through before they are ultimately shipped into the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.b0bf65cb288c
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/08/news/economy/donald-trump-trade/
He says a lot of things but means very few of them, is he currently tweeting at himself to move his production back to the US? Maybe pay some tax on his earnings in the US? Stop sending his work to Mexico?
it's good PR from Ford to claim they are staying in the US when in fact it's a market led decision.
Alternativley it's a clear face saving move to try and pretend that they weren't going to move to Mexico really anyway,
As for buzzfeed - I think it's hilarious that the worst scandal they can come up with is that there was an unclear description on a product being sold through amazon 😆
If it had said 'made in USA' and turned out not to be, they might have even had a point, but was obviousl to anyone with half a brain that it a dodgy description that said [b]both[/b] imported and made in USA, that anyone could see was 'one of those things that happen' with internet sales rather than an attempt to deceive anyone.
mikewsmith - Member
Not can't read them but I just don't trust all that I read especially from so called "serious journalists".
Yes, some jobs must go somewhere but there must be a balance.
Also he talks about products he buys that is made in China but not because he wants to but they just happen to be made in China etc ...
Don't you think it is much better to see him hammer the Merican industry back into shape then what he is buying or using or making? 😆
He says a lot of things but means very few of them, is he currently tweeting at himself to move his production back to the US? Maybe pay some tax on his earnings in the US? Stop sending his work to Mexico?
He says a lot of things? Most of them politicians say things. Are you going ahead of yourself here? He is not in office yet so judge him when he is in office.
Pay tax? Yes, I think he does whatever amount that is but if he can abide by the law yet pay the minimum what is the problem? You are morally right? Funny question he asked how Mrs Clinton managed to get her millions while in office. Funny that. 😆
He says a lot of things? Are you going ahead of yourself here? He is not in office yet so judge him when he is in office.
Sorry I'll judge him now, he is shouting from the roof tops (well in his tweet bunker) about how bad it is that companies are taking manufacturing work out of the US while sourcing huge amounts of good from outside the US, will the 35% import rates apply to his own (still owned by him and his family) business?
Pay tax? Yes, I think he does whatever amount that is but if he can abide by the law yet pay the minimum. What is the problem?
We don't know his taxes are still under investigation by the IRS and he refused to release anything, we don't know if he paid the minimum or if he evaded taxes.
You are morally right? Funny question he asked how Mrs Clinton managed to get her millions while in office. Funny that.
Deflection? It's a common theme whenever he is asked something difficult, one of the many reasons he is so active on twitter rather than speaking to actual people he can control direction and avoid bits that are a little too uncomfortable.
but I just don't trust all that I read especially from so called "serious journalists".
Does that stuff all fall under the heading "Things I don't want to belive"
Yes, he was asked about his tweeting whatever ... I think he likes it to wind his opponents up. 😆 He speaks louder and clearer so in the spirit of Trump as he once said to the journalist " ... you need to speak up a bit coz your voice is weak ..."mikewsmith - Member
Sorry I'll judge him now, he is shouting from the roof tops (well in his tweet bunker) about how bad it is that companies are taking manufacturing work out of the US while sourcing huge amounts of good from outside the US,
Yes of course, the rates also apply to his own family business.will the 35% import rates apply to his own (still owned by him and his family) business?
He can refuse the IRS? Call me dumb but I definitely know which one is which. 😆We don't know his taxes are still under investigation by the IRS and he refused to release anything, we don't know if he paid the minimum or if he evaded taxes.
Deflection? It's a common theme whenever he is asked something difficult, one of the many reasons he is so active on twitter rather than speaking to actual people he can control direction and avoid bits that are a little too uncomfortable.
Not deflection at all. It's about corruption and we all know that politicians corrupt (just a matter of how to catch them ...) but it is the level of the corruption that is the problem coz politicians are so corrupt that they leave nothing for the people to scavenge. Not even the tiny bones.
As we say in the Far East you may be corrupted but have pity and leave something for the people. The career politicians leave nothing for the people ... that is dumb.
Like you "I want to believe ... " ... 😆Does that stuff all fall under the heading "Things I don't want to belive"
According to Assange Podesta (Head of Democrat election campaign and main person who's email was hacked) shared with people that his password was 'password' 😯
A 14yo kid could have hacked his email ....
Assange doing an exclusive for fox news! That is the more interesting part, apparently and all that. He could just have told us who did the hacking as he knows so much 😉
According to Assange Podesta (Head of Democrat election campaign and main person who's email was hacked) shared with people that his password was 'password'
Right then, back to the facts and maybe some thoughts...
Google implement some "Don't be and idiot protection" common words are not acceptible as passwords, such as password - just tried to set up and account and change an existing spare to "password" and you get
Common words are easy to guess. Try again?
apparently things like "qwertyui" and "abcdefgh" are also banned which leads you to wonder how much of Assange's exclusive with a very right wing media organisation is also true. With a full repuiblican set up it's fairly obvious Assange and Snowdon are up there on the list being measured for their orange jump suits so he has nothing to win supporting Trump - in reality does Trump gain credability from the support of somebody they want locked up?
Is Assange playing a long game? Got plenty of time to plan one - drop something spectacular on inaugeration day perhaps? It would be safe to say he has no love of the US in any flavour just be having fun.
Time will tell.
When Jamba is having to quote Assange via Fox news, you know hes desperate!
obviously 'Password' wasnt his password for the reasons Mike mentions and because it was in Fox news which is pure right wing fantasy
Gullibility factor 9.9 to swallow that
what is really interesting is how Assange is now a hero of the alt-right, when a couple of years ago he was the antichrist, Jamba, Trump, Palin all now spreading his gospel!
(Us lefties disowned him when he started broadcasting via RT)
[url= http://huff.to/2iesAMb ]Podesta hack part of larger phising scam[/url]
[url= https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf ]does make interesting reading if you like this kind of thing that is 😳 [/url]
Well that is certainly a better explanation (not better as in it agrees with me but better made)
and qucikly back to the cars...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-chevy-cruze-general-motors_us_586d1d8de4b0de3a08fa5c10
Trump blasts GM for selling a car they make in the US!! How very Dare THEY!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-tweets-hes-a-big-fan-of-intelligence-as-congress-begins-russia-hacking-probe_us_586e5951e4b0c8575a775957?section=us_politics
and on the itelligence I think this picture may help explain his position over time
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Strange, the utterly impartial huffington post managed to make an anti-Trump story out of a Trump tweet that was entirely accurate.
Trump said:
[i]“General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border,”[/i]
And, he was right
More Fake-News from the lefties eh Mike...
“All Chevrolet Cruze sedans sold in the U.S. are built in GM’s assembly plant in Lordstown, Ohio,” GM spokesman Patrick Morrissey said in an emailed statement. Of the 190,000 Cruzes sold in the U.S. last year, the company has said, just 2.4 percent were hatchbacks made in Mexico.So Trump was exercised about 4,500 cars.
Further down ninfan, why the hell would anybody think it makes sense to tool up a production line for 4,500 cars. Also what prompted the Don to wake from his slumber and tweet off about GM? Is 4,500 cars the biggest thing he has to worry about. Maybe he is trying to keep some noise going before he gets to see the evidence of Russian interference in the election. Seeing as his new bestie Assange's story doesn't quite hold together.
But what he posted was still [b]true[/b],
yes Mike?
Does it matter how many? They're still importing Mexican made cars tax free, it's entirely consistent for Trump to oppose it because it's the very core of what he was elected on, whether it's 4,500 or 45,000
It's just the huff post trying to whip up a story out of nothing, because gullible lefties never bother fact-checking anti-Trump stories, they just jump on the bandwagon, like you did.