So how can you end up paying zero federal and ‘a lot’ of state income tax?
Rebates and refunds. As his lawyer says ‘he paid the tax, the fact it was refunded is irrelevant’. Remember those logical leaps I was talking about a few pages ago? That.
Wonder if this will have any impact - how Trump's campaign team used Facebook to actively suppress votes from Black Americans.
Hardly surprising really,. it's the same tactic that was used by Vote Leave towards "undecided" voters with targeted adverts, memes and outright lies about the EU...
Just watching the channel 4 news stuff now
A few years ago this would be genuinely shocking stuff
Nowadays?
Par for the course.
I’m sure they’re up to far far worse at the moment, that we’ll probably find out about in a few years time.
Probably explains why Parscale flipped out yesterday
https://twitter.com/profcarroll/status/1310614270758055936?s=19
We all know it happens but to see it laid out in black and white is shocking
This is the other side of the Trump family’s business practices…
Lolz from that thread
Give him a break. He couldn't pay his taxes because he's got loan spurs.
So many smug and arrogant bastards involved - trump, his family inc in-laws, associated hangers-on; can't wait to see them pay for their fraudulent behaviour and other criminal activities.
They could be the turds that sink to the bottom.
How I wish there was a penalty for smugness; a brick in the face seems about right to me.
donald junior speaks...
Thanks for that, shit for brains.
Without your father you would be nothing; when he goes down, that's what you will be - nothing.
No platform for your empty soundbites - bye bye you useless * with apologies to *s as they are far from useless.
Does he donate his salary to the Trump foundation? The one which does such stellar work buying expensive artwork to display in exclusive golf clubs frequented by billionaires.
A few years ago this would be genuinely shocking stuffNowadays?
Par for the course.
It makes you realise that even here in the UK that this is the new normal, and why its been normalised is because we think it has and we should just carry on as usual...this is how we lose.
V surprised no one has spent an evening walking his Scottish golf courses with glyphosate for company on a regular basis tbh.
That's a great read elbent. Dystopia as a slowly boiling frog
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Full MemberV surprised no one has spent an evening walking his Scottish golf courses with glyphosate for company on a regular basis tbh.
I agree with the sentiment but that wouldn’t harm him in the slightest. It would however harm those poor people who have to work there.
Superb article elbent, thanks for sharing.
There is also massive and probably illegal surveillance on his golf courses
Just put Fox News Radio on the Sonos for a few hours, bit of balance. Blimey. COVID doesn't seem to exist, Trump is a business guru, Deep State, landslide is a definite for Trump, we all fiddle our taxes, nothing wrong with it, Clinton's emails etc. etc.
There is also massive and probably illegal surveillance on his golf courses
Yep, i took my ebike back in 2016 for a wee nightride over his turnberry course as i was up at a mates just off kirkcoswold rd and after a few drinks we decided it seemed like a great idea - we got chased by very slow golf buggies
Tonight's debate looms ever closer. Hoping and praying that Biden a) doesn't mess it up and b) manages to skewer Trump at least a couple of times. A decent performance from Biden and I think Trump's final ace-up-the-sleeve has gone.
The thing about his taxes is that multiple posters here are correct in that much of his base won't be too bothered re the avoidance/evasion aspect. They kind of admire that sort of thing. However, it does call into question his "Successful Businessman" angle somewhat, and that was a key part of many voters taking a chance on him in 2016.
Once his strategy of 'polarise the electorate and win the middle ground voters on the economy' crashed and burned he's been left with nothing to really run on. He can't bebthe insurgent candidate again, and enough people have twigged that he is the swamp.
If you look at polling numbers in the key states, Biden is significantly ahead of where Clinton was at this time in 2016 and way, way ahead of final numbers.
The image below shows how the figs compare (as I understand it). Also for more info go to www.270towin.com click on the menu button, select presidential and then polling averages by state. Very interesting and atvthe bottom of the page there is a link to an election map/result based on current polling averages. Currently Biden on 275 electoral college votes from states where his margin is more than 5%, and may of those are +10 & +15. Trump on 118. So Trump needs to win all 118 + 144 that are less than 5% for either (many of which - Florida, North Carolina - Biden is ahead in) AND take a state where Biden is currently over 5% ahead, quite a few of which are traditionally Democrat that flipped to Trump in 16.
Which is why tonight is so important. If Biden does okay (all he needs to do) then Trump is basically toast. And as for that talk of civil war. Bollox. Most of the militias are fat men playing with guns. They'd run a mile confronted with anyvreal military, not that that'd happen
somafunk - I'd have let them catch you. riding on golf courses is perfectly legal
we got chased by very slow golf buggies
Please tell me that there's helmet cam footage..... 🤣
riding on golf courses is perfectly legal
Not really, only to cross it. It’s one of the few detailed exemptions in the Outdoor Access Code.
riding on golf courses is perfectly legal
I may or may not have grabbed cheeky air during regular moonlit solo-rides all over the bunkers of S****** Gold Club back in the 1990s.
And even had I committed such a heinous, derelict act, I would sill not have thought it ‘perfectly legal’ 😎
#noskids
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Free MemberI also saw on twitter that the ‘Build back better’ name for covid recovery is directly pinched from Joe Biden’s campaign that was lauched a couple of months ago!
And he stole that from a Reef song ffs!
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Full MemberDoes he donate his salary to the Trump foundation?
Nah, he donates it to government departments. They need the money because they're underfunded due to millionaires tax dodging.
And he stole that from a Reef song ffs!
Trump has spent his adult life placing his hands where they don't belong, so fair's fair.
I also saw on twitter that the ‘Build back better’ name for covid recovery is directly pinched from Joe Biden’s campaign that was lauched a couple of months ago!
Yeah, t'was pinched
Always worth posting a bit of Pie when the opportunity arises
Most of the militias are fat men playing with guns. They’d run a mile confronted with anyvreal military,
Homespun militia:
VS
Well played Martinhutch.
Oops. Looks like 'Trump's Army' of poll watchers aren't being allowed into polling places.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311051647687307264
Trump really is a very special type of special isn't he?
Wow.
wow, that "debate" was pretty bad. I thought ours were awful
Trump really is a very special type of special isn’t he?
Sadly not, there are people like him all over society. It's just that someone gave this one a huge amount of money.
I know he was never in the running, but I couldn't help wishing Cuomo was up there against Trump. Or Bernie. Or AOC actually.
Worrying telling that militia to "Stand back and stand by"
Love this line from the Grauniad coverage: "the debate pitted an ageing white male against an ageing orange male sweating like Richard Nixon in 1960"
Stand back and stand by:
That NS article by Paul Mason is deeply concerning - because it's an entirely plausible, possible probable outcome if polls and events are not in trump's favour.
In Jan 2017 that article would have read like a complete fantasy.
In Jan 2018, still hugely unlikely but concerning signs
By Jan 2019, authoritarian leanings on full display; refusal to criticise white supremacism; barely suppressed racism; there is trumpworld which is the source of all that's great, good and true - anything else is fake news.
Rapidly down the hole since then - wasn't great in first 2 years of his 'reign' but now, with an emasculated GOP unable to control him and his paranoid fear of multiple prosecutions which will forever destroy his name and expose him he will do *literally* anything to retain power.
His real personality is there for all to see and it's ugly, deformed, psychologically disturbed, sociopathic, narcissistic.
He sees only two possible election results - he wins the electoral college or the election is stolen from him.
Dark times in the US.
I don't think that Trump is a racist or fascist in the true ideological sense.
He hates everyone and is completely self obsessed.
He has simply realised that to keep this power trip going, appealing to right wing 2nd amendment base, is his best bet.
I now actually hate him, would not care if he was shot in the face in front of his family.
I really want it to end badly for trump, if he beats the rap and gets to spend the rest of his life playing bad golf and abusing whores then I'll be even more cynical, bitter and jaded than I am now.
He's the closest thing to Biff in back to the future 2 we have, a poor man's Mugabe, a blight on humanity, a shit smear on the planet.
I'll settle for a very public humiliation and indictments for the whole clan. Although even jail is a cushy number. The trump family needs to be cauterized so we don't have the prospect of junior or Ivanka running for office <shudders>
He didn’t try and win the “debate”, he just wanted to destroy it. Is he trying to come out on top democratically… or is he trying to damage the election and create chaos ready to play the strongman…? He may have a plan to stay in power for more than one more term… and that’s impossible without tearing up the democratic norms.
I doubt it was a debate in trump's mind; he saw it as an opportunity to demean, bully and insult Biden; a means to push his soundbite politics to his base.
He failed in attempting to belittle Biden.
As for his base, their votes are in the bag so why waste time and effort preaching to them.
The threat of chaos was explicit in his words.
We know he admires strongmen and political bullies; a glorified wannabe
The international context of a Trump demise:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/trump-biden-debate-failure-mbs-putin-boris-johnson
Just heard the organisation who arrange these debates are 'reviewing tools to allow the moderator to control the debate'. Maybe they'll be able to cut the mics if not your turn to speak, stop the interruptions. I vote for gunge tanks.
