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In Georgia’s Baldwin County 40% of voters are African American, it voted Republican for the first time in 20 years.
Obvious maths is obvious.
What is the obvious maths? It is obvious that 100% of non African Americans voted Republican for the first time in 20 years?
Quite how we get people to see the bigger picture
I refer you to my previous post. When Corbyn lost in 2019 everyone was shouting that labour needed to listen to voters rather than lecture them. Yet now it’s the opposite and we should be teaching them how to vote properly?
it seems a significant chunk of Americans, however much we don’t understand or agree, really don’t want their government to get involved in doing things to improve society as a whole
Nope. They voted for Trump because he was offering to do exactly that. We may not like the things he is promising to do, but he is promising to do a lot. It was the Democrats who were pedalling the non-interventionist state approach.
The democrats spent about 3 times what the republicans did on this campaign.
Exactly, the democrats were unable to offer the change the voters wanted because their billionaire backers won't allow it. Democracy fails when an elite group are allowed to control politics through finance.
Although the current dems seem at least as wedded too neoliberalism as the GOP, that will never change when they are reliant on the super wealthy to finance them.
unable to offer the change the voters wanted
Which is...?
I can't be sure of the validity of the claim but I have heard it suggested that Kamala Harris's celebrity endorsements are likely to have backfired. The suggestion is that ordinary voters don't like to be lectured on how to vote by a wealthy privileged elite who have no real understanding of their lives, even if they enjoy their singing and acting skills.
Which if true is rather ironic considering that the wealthiest man in the world was urging them to vote for Trump.
And a similar level of hypocrisy applies in the UK with regards to the claim that Nigel Farage is some sort of a 'man of the people' politician.
I think the takeaway is that patronising and lecturing voters isn't quite a straightforward as some might imagine.
ordinary voters don’t like to be lectured on how to vote by a wealthy privileged elite who have no real understanding of their lives
That photo made me think Musk had taken a bullet for the Tangerine Palpatine.
Trump won the election because the majority of white Americans are racist to some degree or other.
That doesn't explain why he lost in 2020.
It was the Democrats who were pedalling the non-interventionist state approach.
Musk supposedly is going to be in charge of cutting Federal spending by a third. Proper austerity. Most definitely a promise of a smaller state doing less...
https://fortune.com/2024/10/28/elon-musk-cut-2-trillion-federal-budget-trump-rally/
“We’re going to get the government off your back and out of your pocket book.”
The suggestion is that ordinary voters don’t like to be lectured on how to vote by a wealthy privileged elite
We'll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
I'm pretty sure there are a couple already in use.
Mel Gibson
It’s a ridiculous statement that I made really, as given the particular average you choose, it is simply a statement of fact.
I'm on the Carlin side with you, I think - but don't set off the stats nerds.
is people want change, society is not happy with the status quo, and the democrats didn’t offer that
You will have to explain to me, using simple words, how getting the same guy back again, is 'change'
The only lesson the Dems can take is - don't run a woman against Trump.
The rest is all chaff
This has (again) knocked my faith in people to be fundamentally decent.
I'm afraid this, along with Brexit and the immigrant hysteria I hear from all sides has done the same for me.
The suggestion is that ordinary voters don’t like to be lectured on how to vote by a wealthy privileged elite
It's more a case of voters don't like to be lectured on how to vote by people who think differently to them.
Musk supposedly is going to be in charge of cutting Federal spending by a third
He could start that now by stopping taking all the various subsidies for his companies. I suspect though thats going to be a growth area in federal spending.
The only lesson the Dems can take is – don’t run a woman against Trump.
I'd say the message is more like: don't run a technocrat against a celebrity. I remember reading (way back then) that a lot of people voted for Bush over Gore, simply because they knew they'd be seeing them on the news everyday for the next 4 years, and the thought of that being Al Gore was enough to make them vote Bush...
You will have to explain to me, using simple words, how getting the same guy back again, is ‘change’
In simple words the "change" is replacing a Democrat President, who is considered to have failed, with someone who has no connections with the current administration.
A Democrat politician unconnected to the current Biden administration, and who offered something substantially different, might have energised voters to vote for them, Kamala Harris apparently didn't.
Some of it was just simply bad luck on the part of the Democrats, as this comment by Arjun Sengupta in the Indian Express points out, although a vision of change could still have been offered by a Democrat candidate.
Kamala Harris becoming the Democratic nominee did not change the fundamental dynamic of the race. As an article in The Telegraph put it: “incumbents don’t win when voters are miserable”. And the past four years under Joe Biden did make many Americans miserable — inflation ran rampant, unemployment was rife, and the economy witnessed a steep downturn.
Not that Biden could have prevented a global pandemic or stopped Russia from invading Ukraine, prime drivers of the United States’ economic downturn, he still copped the voters’ blame for their dwindling fortunes. Even though things are much better now — by some accounts, the Biden administration has actually been very successful in leading the US out of an economic crisis — this seems to not have registered in the average voter’s calculus, who still vividly remembers the difficulties faced during the pandemic and after.
Contrast this with the Trump presidency, during which the stock markets soared, unemployment fell to historically low levels, and inflation was manageable, it is not all too surprising why most voters favoured Trump over the incumbent vice president on economy. And pre-election polling had suggested that this was the single most important issue in this election.
Harris simply did not promise the transformative agenda that voters yearned for, and although Trump’s propositions have been far from definitive, positive, or even deliverable, his promise to bring change that voters so desperately want has propelled him to an unprecedented victory.
A Democrat politician unconnected to the current Biden administration, and who offered something substantially different, might have energised voters to vote for them, Kamala Harris apparently didn’t.
She was asked what she would do differently to Biden in a recent interview and replied that she wouldn't change a thing while Trump's last rally ended with him asking the crowd ' are you better off now than you were four years ago? I reckon that would've swayed a lot of undecided voters
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
Trumpets?
It is obvious that 100% of non African Americans voted Republican for the first time in 20 years
WtF 😀
supernova
Full Member
This has (again) knocked my faith in people to be fundamentally decent.I’m afraid this, along with Brexit and the immigrant hysteria I hear from all sides has done the same for me.
A lot of my friends are a bit Brexity, ive always been fundamentally opposed to it and always will. Some of these friends I've known for decades. Some of them have been through some pretty rough times one way or another, they've also been there for me when I've been through similar.
I don't care one iota about some of their politics, we dont chat about it other than the occasional, genuinely friendly jibe over a beer or whatever.
Anyway, I'm just trying to say that I count them as really good friends, they'd drop everything to help me if they could and id do the same for them.
Most people really are pretty decent but you can't expect them to be carbon copies of our own morality or politics.
Trump will be a memory one day and we'll all be worried about someone or something else.
This too shall pass and all that. 🙂
She was asked what she would do differently to Biden in a recent interview and replied that she wouldn’t change a thing while Trump’s last rally ended with him asking the crowd ‘ are you better off now than you were four years ago? I reckon that would’ve swayed a lot of undecided voters
And that's not even a difficult question to answer, even if she didn't plan to change much, she could have still talked about the future and how their policies will affect and improve peoples lives.
That doesn’t explain why he lost in 2020.
Trump lost in 2020 as more people simply showed up to get him out. Trumps vote numbers for 2024 are near identical to 2020. Harris' are almost 20% lower than Biden. 13m votes. It seems that either people didn't want her specifically, the democrats more generally or were more ambivalent about Trump.
I don't think the Democrats did themselves any favours by continually trying to target Trump, they just made him a martyr and less objectionable, so much so that people didn't show up to vote against him.
It seems that either people didn’t want her specifically, the democrats more generally or were more ambivalent about Trump.
I totally agree. I think the Democrats had a poor candidate with a poor campaign which didn't energise voters sufficiently. I don't think the primary reason is that American voters are racist.
The really telling stat for me from the election was a question in exit polls about import issues. Less than 10% of Republicans believed that being trusted to keep your word was important...So, as long as Trump says he's going to do something, they happy whether he does it or not...erm, okay?
the number 1 priority given in exit polls was the economy, all incumbent governments have been hammered at the elections post inflation bomb
the Dems couldve put the original JFK up and still lost and I suspect any other republican wouldve likely won too
The Dems lost it 4 years ago when Biden became president - to have a proper succession plan in place & rely on someone who at 78 then was already too old to run again in 4 years, that is a batshit plan.
candice owens wants alex jones as WH press secretary
and the horror show begins.........
It really IS going to be a horror show, isn't it. 🙁
This Candice Owens?
Who couldn't get into Australia?
what does she have to do with anything?
Boeing might be getting out of space travel and design.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thank you Mr space Karen for your support love dj trump
I totally agree. I think the Democrats had a poor candidate with a poor campaign which didn’t energise voters sufficiently. I don’t think the primary reason is that American voters are racist.
Seems right to me, there was an opportunity to beat Trump as he wasn't a great candidate either but the Democrats choose an incoherent candidate who was one of the most unpopular VPs in history.
The Carlin quote is "the economy, stupid"
One of Trump's strengths as a campaigner, which he shares with Farage, is he actually appears to be enjoying himself and the company of his voters
The last thing that Trump ever seems is happy.
is he actually appears to be enjoying himself and the company of his voters
He loves the attention. He wouldn't give a stereotypical supporter the time of day if he wasn't on the campaign trail
The Carlin quote is “the economy, stupid”
Alledgely a white board, possibly this one:
Not sure Carlin ever said it, but it / he was quoted on TV at the time as “it’s the economy, stupid”
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
Trumpolyps?
We’ll need to think of a collective term for
Elon Musk
Hulk Hogan
Dana White
Bryson DeChambeau
Joe Rogan
Russell Brand
Jake Paul
Mel Gibson
As they follow it disappointing and worrying Trump, they have to be the Skidmarks
So they see what they perceive as strong role models in Trump and Vance. Hugely financially successful, boastful sexual exploits, ones a former marine etc. it resonates with them. A female, minority former prosecutor absolutely does not resonate with them.
Same market as Tate.
Trump knows how to play the room, everything they did with all the legal cases, he used to increase his base, how many other people are we seeing on the other side who can do this.
Just saw trumps acceptance speech. Whatever you think of his policies and the man in question, it's clear he's losing his marbles. He's a rambling mess of a man.
My mum is 75. My brother (a doctor) asked me to keep an eye on her as she occasionally gets a bit mixed up with stuff. Compared to trump she's like a 25 year old in prime of life. And he has the nuclear codes ffs..
tpbiker
Free Member
Just saw trumps acceptance speech. Whatever you think of his policies and the man in question, it’s clear he’s losing his marbles. He’s a rambling mess of a man.
Nice and malleable, just what many of his backers want.
Boeing might be getting out of space travel and design.
*I think that's maybe a different subject... but...
*Boeing senior management may be the the architects of their own demise.
*It's kinda good timing that "space karen" is lined up to replace them. convenient. Very convenient.
I just saw this on FB from a guy called Dan Richardson and thought it worth posting here.
Call me defeatist, but I’m going to say this one last thing, then disengage from the subject entirely.
It’s hard to know what to say anyway, but it’s an important enough issue to at least clarify my position, to be on the right side of history if nothing else.
There have been moments I’ve just wanted to write, “If you voted for Trump, save me the trouble, disconnect from me, I want nothing more to do with you”. Tempting, but I’d like to be a better person than that. Less ‘knee-jerk’ at least.
That being said - and this is the main crux of this post - if you did vote for him, I’m acutely aware that no words of mine, or anyone else’s, could possibly hope to reach you.
What I mean by that is this. His astonishing list of transgressions have been on full display for all of us to see for a decade, so to pick any particular item from that list and point it out to you would be utterly futile, because surely you already know.
I could say, “He’s a self-confessed serial sex offender”, but you already know that, we all know that, so it must not matter to you.
I could remind you that he was found liable for rape by a jury, but you remember that anyway, and it obviously doesn’t matter to you.
I could say, “He thinks climate change is a hoax, he’ll remove the US from all efforts to curb carbon emissions”, but you already know that too and you voted for him regardless, so that clearly doesn’t matter to you either.
I could assert the glaringly obvious facts that he’s a pathological liar and a malignant narcissist, that he’s known for ripping off contractors, cheating on his wives, stealing from a childhood cancer charity, he bankrupted a casino. It really doesn’t matter which specific thing I could focus on from the extensive list of disgraces and embarrassments, you know all about all of it already, but none of it matters to you. Or at the very least none of that matters to you as much as…what?
The price of eggs? The cost of filling your car with gasoline?
You think the guy who bankrupted a casino is going to improve the economy? You think all the respectable economists are wrong and that the guy who clearly doesn’t understand how tariffs work is magically going to save you money?
Out of curiosity, how cheap do eggs have to get in order for you to consider rape as an acceptable compromise?
How much do gas prices have to go down to in order for you to reconcile in your own mind being ’pro life’ when you’re simultaneously happy for women to be refused medical intervention while they’re bleeding to death in a hospital car park? When you’re insistent upon the child victims of incest rape to be forced to give birth to their own father’s child? All because of your god that they don’t even necessarily believe in themselves.
As I write this, I’m fully aware that it won’t scratch the surface of your delusion, so spare us both the wasted energy of the response you maybe formulating in your mind right now. I won’t read it.
We are so fundamentally different on every level, morally in particular, that even the vaguest agreement or common ground seem out of reach. If you don’t already understand that he’s a bad person, I can’t help you see it. I don’t want to be so pedantic as to unfriend, unfollow or block anyone, but I am prepared to, because your support of this despicable human is so selfish and so negatively consequential to others that it’s nigh on impossible to respect you.
The darker side of me, which I’m growing tired of hearing from lately, hopes you personally feel the full force of the decision you’ve made as it all comes crashing down around you. At that point, you’ll be hoping you have sufficiently loyal and patient friends willing to accept your apology.
The lighter side of me hopes that someday, somehow, you’ll evolve sufficiently to be capable of feeling the shame and embarrassment befitting of your recent choice, but sincerely and regretfully, I doubt you ever will.
To the rest of you, in the US and globally, I’m deeply sorry for what we’ve been forced to endure.
I’ve deleted X from my phone and from this point forward it’ll be all animal welfare and conservation.
Love and light
And I know I shouldn't, but I'm hoping to get quite a bit of use out of this over the next 4 years
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/654934442549620736
Come January we'll see the biggest inauguration crowds ever seen in the history of earth. Bigger than the biggliest crowds at the biggest sporting events. There'll be sharks there too, electric ones, that will eat the faces of the woke, hunt the Haitian people that eat cats and expose the fake news and something about wind turbines. Big crowd for big Don. Most massivist big crowd ever. Number one sex offending president ever
I'd also like to recommend Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.
There's a Trump thread through it (as well as a Putin/Surkov one).
Brinksmanship, corruption, bullying, lying. Trump is a shit. A useless shit whose only talent is spotting the hole to slither out of to escape. Nothing has changed about him as a 'person'. But he's pulled the biggest con job since the early 1930s.
Anyone who voted for him can go to hell. From the red-toothed, card-carrying KKK nutters to the petticoats and 'nice christian', demur types who bumble and say 'sir' and 'maam' a lot, but turn into devils in a polling booth. All the same in the end.
So did the Reps, and a criminal to boot.
Trump has a unique delivery style but pretty much everyone who listens to him knows what his big issues and policies are - he will batter them in every speech. The ironic thing being having a strong border to protect workers's wages, a protectionist approach to preserve jobs and not to waste money on foreign wars would have been mainstream policies of the Democrats not that long ago.
I’d also like to recommend Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis.
There’s a Trump thread through it (as well as a Putin/Surkov one).
Hypernormalisation was basically prophecy. Its quite scarily accurate when you watch it considering it was made before he ran for president first time. It’s still on iplayer and is essential viewing
The ironic thing being having a strong border to protect workers’s wages
Except for his speech right after the votes had come in, where he stated not about preventing people from crossing the border, and said they need immigration, but those had to be put through legal channels.
Because as we all know, migrant labour is cheaper. Which doesnt bode well for those who think their jobs and wages are secure.
a protectionist approach to preserve jobs and not to waste money on foreign wars would have been mainstream policies of the Democrats not that long ago.
I am not sure about that, which recent Democrat President is associated with tariffs on foreign imports? United States hasn't pursued protectionist policies since before WW2.
And has any postwar US President been more associated with American GIs dying in foreign wars that Lyndon Johnson? Nevermind the cost of the Vietnam War.
The Democrats have long been a free trade foreign interventionist party.
United States hasn’t pursued a protectionist policies since before WW2.
They are the kings of the non tariff trade barriers for instance during the 70s they negotiated lots of voluntary export restrictions
US President been more associated with American GIs dieing in foreign wars that Lyndon Johnson?
That caused a backlash so McGovern and Carter were very against interventions when running for office and historically the Republicans have been far more hawkish.
McGovern and Carter were very against interventions when running for office
I am not sure that what you say when running for office counts. You claimed that not wasting money on foreign wars was a "mainstream" Democrat policy not long ago. Based on the behaviour of Democrat presidents I don't think there is much evidence of that, in fact there is evidence to suggest the opposite.
And I am glad you agree with me that unlike Trump Democrat presidents have not had compulsory protectionist policies in recent times. Negotiated voluntary export restrictions 50 years ago don't count - they are not comparable to what we are actually talking about.
Hypernormalisation was basically prophecy. Its quite scarily accurate when you watch it considering it was made before he ran for president first time
The lyrics of Green Day's American Idiot are also prophetic when you consider when it was released.
Vladimir thinks he's great though - a 'courageous' man no less.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mlp5p4lvko
Has anyone ever found themselves skint? And not only that but with no obvious routes out of being skint and basically resigning yourself to a life of disappointments and eventual death after many years of misery?
Have you walked into a shop intending to buy food but noticed that a bottle of vodka just happens to cost the same as what you were planning on spending on something to eat?
You know that drinking a bottle of Tesco vodka is not going to fix things and, in fact, it's probably going to make things worse. You pick it up, pay for it with the last of your money, go home, sit in front of the TV, and get shit faced.
Trump is the bottle of vodka. The Democrats are your boss telling you not to get drunk because you have to go do your shitty job in the morning.
In the West the frog boiling has been going on for at least the last 45 years. The number of people who find themselves with a choice between eating and carrying on with their shitty lives or picking up a bottle of vodka is slowly but surely increasing all the time. Is anyone really surprised people want to tell the Democrats (and, by the way, also Labour) to go **** themselves?
Something radical needs to happen across the West and it needs to happen soon. Billionaires and oligarchs are making people poorer, and then they are convincing people it's immigrants who are stealing all their money.
By all means, hate people who voted for Trump or Reform all you want. I do. Although at the same time, if I were in the shoes of a lot of them, all I can say is I've picked up the Tesco vodka in the past and I probably would again.
It’s been a thing worldwide since money has been a thing. Probably before that.
Nope. It happens, yes, but it can't continue indefinitely. Funnily enough, people refuse to simply lie down and starve to death if they can't feed themselves.
The Democrats, with their constant gaslighting about how people are actually in great financial health, were basically saying, 'let them eat cake'.
But we've had decades of people convincing us that this is simply the way it's always been and 'the natural order' of things so your reply is not really surprising.
But it is the way it has always been. Show me a period in history where there wasn't the baves and the have nots. There isn't one and it will sadly continue to be the case in my humble opinion. That's why my answer isn't surprising.
But it is the way it has always been. Show me a period in history where there wasn’t the baves and the have nots. There isn’t one and it will sadly continue to be the case in my humble opinion. That’s why my answer isn’t surprising.
There has been no group that has constantly accumulated wealth for thousands of years.
Societies will have a group who hoard resources and basically make everyone work for their benefit. Eventually these societies collapse because it is simply not sustainable.
It could be, with our globalised world, we are now in the end game where wealth will be concentrated in the hands of the few until the entire World collapses. Personally I'd like to see a concerted effort to finally unwind this concentration of wealth so that society can function for everyone, rather than just those at the top.
Given your response is going to be the same as many others, probably even the vast majority, I'm not going to hold my breath.
I'm not saying I don't agree with you on a theoretical or philosophical level but, how does putting Trump in power help? The only way I can see of a massive societal shift is through the worst effects of climate change or revolution and bloodshed. I'd genuinely be interested to hear a viable alternative.
Wealth, historically speaking , hasn't always been money. Resources, land, gold, spices, textiles etc etc but the result has always been the same. The power and wealth in the hands of the few and not the many.
The last thing that Trump ever seems is happy.
Given his near omnipresence in the media for the last 10 years can you even think of an instant where he's laughed?
There was criticism of Harris's laugh when she was first the nominee. I'm actually not sure if Trump even can laugh.
how does putting Trump in power help?
How does me drinking a bottle of vodka help? It doesn't. My life was shit before drinking the vodka and it's shit (but worse) after drinking the vodka. But at least it was different.
My boss saying that not drinking the vodka is the sensible choice is quite correct. Guess what, I hate my boss. They are part of the reason I'm in a shit situation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/07/bernie-sanders-democrats-election
Wealth, historically speaking , hasn’t always been money. Resources, land, gold, spices, textiles etc etc but the result has always been the same. The power and wealth in the hands of the few and not the many.
Wealth inequality is currently increasing at an alarming rate. I'd imagine many on here feel, if not OK then at least not completely despondent, because they have some wealth. I include myself in that. However, if wealth inequality continues then we are going to eventually get boiled to. Our wealth will be reduced simply by virtue of the rich taking more and more of it.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/inequalities/2024/02/20/why-wealth-inequality-matters/
So what do you propose we do?
People on the whole are selfish ****s. Nobody with any level of wealth is going to want to give it up for the greater good. Well, very few, enough to make it not really count. I don't have much but appreciate I'm a hell of a lot better off than a lot of people. I'd happily pay more tax to have a fairer society but I reckon I'm in a minority.
Trump is the bottle of vodka. The Democrats are your boss telling you not to get drunk because you have to go do your shitty job in the morning.
The problem is the people who are buying the vodka are buying it as part of their weekly shop - it's the middle classes. Which is mind boggling.
America is such a strange place, as a child it was this magical Disney esque perfect country. As I've grown up I've realised it's actually a shithole with some bits of glitter in the pile of poo.
I and a few others have said this before. The US is a third world country for a large percentage of its population. There is, in my opinion, nothing to be admired or looked up to. It is a ****ing terrible, broken place. Rife with hatred and religious zeolatoary.
So what do you propose we do?
Take away the wealth of people who have accumulated obscene amounts of it. Distribute it throughout society. That is the very broad strokes. Feel free to explain to me why this would, of course, be impossible.
The very wealthy became that way because wealth begets wealth. Not because it was ordained by god. The only thing stopping redistribution from happening is that people insist on voting for parties that are funded by the obscenely wealthy. The obscenely wealth also owning media companies probably doesn't hurt either.
So yeah, don't vote for parties that won't go after the obscenely wealthy would be a start.
Are there any parties that will go after the wealthy considering that is who funds their campaigns?
I honestly believe that, without extreme violence, it would be impossible to take the wealth away from the extremely wealthy. For what it is worth I agree with you. In my world there would be no billionaires. It's an obscene thing to have.
You need to be telling c.51% of voting Americans that
But the only alternate wouldn't go after the wealthy either!
I am not sure about that, which recent Democrat President is associated with tariffs on foreign imports? United States hasn’t pursued protectionist policies since before WW2.
The 'Chicken Tax' was implemented in 1964 by Johnson and is still in place. It's a 25% duty on 'Light trucks' - Japanese pickups and European built transit size vans basically. Ford had a weird work-around for a while whereby vans built in turkey are fitted out with rear seats, seatbelts etc, even rear windows, and imported as 'cars' and then the seats, windows etc were taken back out again on arrival. (the supreme court eventually called shenanigans on that and Ford was hit with over $1bn in back taxes)
Mercedes would actually dismantle already manufactured vans and import them as 'kits' so that putting them back together classed them as 'manufactured in the US'. For a while Subaru would import pickups with backwards facing seats and a carpet in the pickup bed 🙂
Good post BruceWee. The thing is that rejection of mainstream politicians and the elevation of far-right formerly fringe politicians in their place is something which has become common right across "the West", despite the varied situations and the local politics in each unique country.
How can all the local conditions in each varied Western country all be apparently pushing in the same direction? I suspect the answer is that what they all have in common is their economic and political structures - advanced capitalism and liberal democracy, neither of which, despite appearing to be apparently excellent ideas, have ever stood the test of time.
Both are approximately 100-200 years old, and that is out of 4,000 years of human history. Modern capitalism is pretty much in a constant state of crisis, every legislative election in every Western country appears to be centred on how to manage that crisis. Liberal democracy seemed such a good idea as people were previously willing to be told who they should vote for, and this illusion that they were in control of their own destiny suppressed any revolutionary developments.
Now both advanced capitalism and liberal democracy have been found to be wanting after 100-200 of relative stability which is resulting in previously unexpected consequences. The question is why are the benefactors of these developments apparently the far-right rather than the anti-capitalist left?
I am not entirely sure but I suspect that it is because modern capitalism has always used socialism to patch up its inherent contradictions and failings - free healthcare, nationalisation, welfare benefits, and as a consequence socialism is seen as part of the problem.
The answers? Likewise I am not entirely sure although I do know that the far-right will not provide them. But that truth might need to be part of a learning process. 90 years ago capitalism and liberal democracies faced a crisis which spawned the birth and rise of the far-right, Europe swung to fascism whilst the United States ironically swung to the left. When the dust settled the far-right had been totally defeated and the left were victorious.
Hopefully WW3 won't be necessary but I do believe that both capitalism and liberal democracy (which is really mostly a scam that has very little to do with actual democracy) are unlikely to be around in a thousand years time.