The 2 extremes of analysis I heard this morning are....
His ego is weak (which we know) and suggestion that he was not the reason he won the election hurts him and anyone who suggests that is wrong. Hence defaulting to agreeing with Putin
or at the other end
Putin has something over him and is exercising control.
Either way the comparison would probably be May turning up at a meeting with Putin and saying despite what MI5, Police, GCHQ, MI6 and everyone else said the poisoning in Salisbury was nothing to do with Russia as Putin said so.
Putin was asked directly if he had any kompromat on Trump.
He gave a brilliant rambling non-denial , that must have really irked trump.
Does trump even know how easily Putin played him?
On one hand it is good that he meets Putin and Kim.
But he is useless and has zéro influences in those meetings.
Follow the money
Either way the comparison would probably be May turning up at a meeting with Putin and saying despite what MI5, Police, GCHQ, MI6 and everyone else said the poisoning in Salisbury was nothing to do with Russia as Putin said so.
he should have just signed a multi-billion dollar gas and oil deal with Russia. Apparently that’s enough to put your motives entirely beyond reproach...
So you can't explain his behaviour then. Or how he looked so uncomfortable or shat on his own agencies there. Nope didn't think so.
...but, frankly, the growth figures in the US economy (and the slowing down of growth in the Chinese economy) dont lie
Is there really nothing more important than money in today's society?
That is the only measure of success?
To me, that is everything that is wrong with Donald Trump. There is no care for anything else. No compassion for the people. In fact that is putting it lightly. He's a bigot and a misogynist, and will trample over anyone who gets in the way of his own selfish plans. Hitler got things done. He improved living standards and raised peoples hopes. That's why they voted for him.
The scariest thing about this, is that his negative traits are clear as day, they are really quite extreme. Yet people either choose not to acknowledge them, or are genuinely incapable of seeing them. I can't work out which. But until we understand this anomaly in human consciousness, we will always be on the precipice of a worldwide disaster.
Even at the very best end of the spectrum, you have to ask yourself what kind of values we are teaching our kids?
…but, frankly, the growth figures in the US economy (and the slowing down of growth in the Chinese economy) dont lie
If that is the case then Obama got a lot done 😉 some serious growth in there
Oh Hi @ninfan glad to see you're back - any chance of answering my questions that I posed to you way back on page 355?
So for that you’re more than happy to turn a blind eye to his racism, short sighted policies, climate change denail, sexism, & his general **** everyone else that is Donald Trump attitide?
So as @ninfan seems so eager to align himself with Donald Trump, is it fair to suggest that he/she themselves are a sexist, racist, anti science, terrorist apologist?
Well, it’s really more of a question posed about me more than a question posed at me, isn’t it?
however I think it’s pretty much answered above in my comments to @ctk - you only need to look at how the paragons of left wing virtue on this site end up revealing their true colours to figure it out
You giving Obama credit for the growth figures too?
I think you'll find, ninpoop, that disgust at Trump and, by extension, his 'base', is not confined to 'lefties'.
I think you’ll find, ninpoop, that disgust at Trump and, by extension, his ‘base’, is not confined to ‘lefties’.
No, i agree, it appears to have infected a wider variety of stupid and gullible people who react to everything the media tells them without bothering to apply any form of critical analysis.
Accurate description of Trump, ninfan 👍
So, & stop me if I’m wrong, but ninny’s support of Trump is down to the fact that it winds up folks he doesn’t like? Somehow gaining satisfaction from somewhere along the way………..
Pretty much the definition of a troll
How terribly fing tragic, he must be an individual full of nothing but bile & hate to gain pleasure from the actions of a deliberately antagonistic & devise narcissist such as Trump.
Pretty much describing the kind of person who becomes a troll. Pitiful, really.
EDIT but on reflection, maybe not full of bile and hate just sad, lonely and desperate for some attention to make up for what's missing in real life
Ah yes. 'Critical analysis'.
It looks like a grossly ignorant and unsuitable dimwit with a narcissistic personality disorder.
It sounds like a grossly ignorant and unsuitable dimwit with a narcissistic personality disorder.
It walks it like a grossly ignorant and unsuitable dimwit with a narcissistic personality disorder.
What conclusion regarding it's nature, do you suppose can be derived from this critical analysis?
It's a TrollMagnet?
Sorry @ninfan I didn't realise that you'd already answered.
So you're trying to get people's inner nastiness to reveal itself? ie - trolling?
The second comment I agree was more of a musing about your personal opinions/personality, but the first was a direct question, that should just require either a yes answer, or a no answer.
So for that you’re more than happy to turn a blind eye to his racism, short sighted policies, climate change denail, sexism, & his general **** everyone else that is Donald Trump attitide?
the first was a direct question, that should just require either a yes answer, or a no answer.
I think it shows your inability to conceptualise an alternative narrative from the one you've been fed. to take your points in order:
racism
Objecting to and fighting ILLEGAL immigration, defending your countries borders and being selective about who you let into your country isn't racist.
let alone whats happening to Black and Hispanic unemployment levels under Trump. As for your fantasy 'muslim majority countries ' immigration ban - the countries involved have less than 12% of the worlds muslims, and the list never included the most populous muslim majority countries in the first place.
short sighted policies
According to many a few months ago Trumps actions on North Korea were short sighted, and bound to drag us into conflict - instead they have led to a cease in nuclear testing and the beginnings of an entente cordiale and peace process in a conflict thats been rumbling on for nearly seventy years. Nothin happens overnight but recent developments were unimaginable 18 months ago.
climate change denail,
Remember when the Paris accord was a total waste of time, not enough, completely ineffective... until Trump threatened to pull out of it, when it was suddenly the only thing saving us from imminent disaster? hey, climate change is the least of your worries if you believe we're all gong to get Nuked anyway, right?
On the wider question, being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn't a bad thing, and there is a strong chain of thought that concentrating resources on developing and strengthening resilience is a better solution than investing in fractional cuts in emissions in the first world while they continue to climb in second and third world nations.
sexism
You might want to look at where the real sexism lies - instead of getting upset a joke about grabbing girls by the pussy and accusations of consensual dalliances with porn stars, why not concentrate your shock at whats come out about Harvey Weinstein and friends who were forcing women to have sex in order to be in movies?? (and lets not forget Bill Clinton's little dalliances either, how worked up were you about that (or Hillary trying to make it all go away?)
& his general * everyone else
It seems you're actually more upset about him saying * those who didn't vote for him. Given the way many of them have acted over the last year I don't think you can blame him.
PS - massive LOLZ at the reporters all piling on to point fingers at Trump about Finland not being a NATO member after he commented about the Finnish President being there.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1018751734460637185
Then, a few minutes later:
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1018754656330309632
Yeah, #Awkward 🙂
ninfan, are you delighting in someone's failure to accurately report the truth? At least he's correcting himself.
Hypocrite's hypocrite.
Trump told the Finnish President Just now he enjoyed spending time with him at the NATO summit. Finland is not part of NATO
And there's nothing incorrect in that statement. something you'd have been quick to point out yourself if it was Trump who'd said it.
just seen your previous missive. You're a perceptive chap, you know that's pathetically narrow and insufficient attempt to counter the accusations.
Objecting to and fighting ILLEGAL immigration, defending your countries borders and being selective about who you let into your country isn’t racist.
No - so is the following not a racist statement?
"I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that's guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."
Much more here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
On the wider question, being skeptical of computer modelling that has got everything wrong so far isn’t a bad thing, and there is a strong chain of thought that concentrating resources on developing and strengthening resilience is a better solution than investing in fractional cuts in emissions in the first world while they continue to climb in second and third world nations.
Yes - that's a good point regarding resilience, but... it wasn't what I asked. He's not exactly doing anything, regarding cuts or resilience. So... the original question remains.
And I think I know where the real sexism lies in fact here is a list.
Again, you're avoiding the question, I wasn't asking about the Canadian PM, Harvey or anyone else. We can discuss them in their own threads along with the merits - this thread is about Donald Trump.
a joke about grabbing girls by the pussy
Yeah. Hilarious.
I've noticed that you tend to avoid answering questions and criticisms that don't fit in with your own 'alternative narrative'. When you're not hurriedly backtracking on previous posts and editing them to make them fit with whatever little tricks and tropes that are occurring to you from second to second, that is.
I quite see why you suffer from 'Bully Worship' of the giant vomiting orange nightmare.
You're very similar personalities, suffering (I would guess) from much the same personality problems.
How frustrating it must be for you that your own tendency to bully doesn't gain any traction around here. ..
I suppose the question will be what Trump does to repair the damage
Putin was able to embarass & belittle him, without even trying- Putins giggle when asked about Kompromat on Trump summed it up.
Trump the strongman now looks like Trump the fool & puppet of Putin, even his allies on Fox news dont know how to play it
so some deflection is coming, wonder where he will lash out next?
So still no hint of a motive for the Putin love other than in the pocket or in awe/ego problems about not winning all on his own?
Heard some well established journalists being amazed by how he went about his answers, the lack of coherent thought and inability to deal with any of the issues.
There was a simple answer to the questions about the charges against the Russians but he decided not to go there.
It certainly won't help if Muller has enough to need a vote on it.
And a selection of comments from Left, Right and Centre
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/trump-putin-meeting-reactions.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/politics/trump-putin-meeting-reactions.html
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Wouldnt not would...well thats sorted then!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739
Proper LOL's
is this time to check the auto replace works I struggle with long sentences
it's a trollmagnet
fify
Not cowardly at all then
wont dare say it to Putins face, but only once hes safely back in the whitehouse he claims he misspoke
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1019296968730923009
looking desperate, prepare for distraction factor 50!
For sincerity though, make eye contact, sound like you mean it even if you don't and try not to look like your reading from a prepared statement....
surely, SURELY you can depose a president for being such a monumental idiot?!?
Would or wouldn’t. Which is it?
So Trump is rapidly back tracking on what he said to Putin, no surprises there I suppose, but...... whats worse? Lying to Putin, to the people of the USA? Or is it part of the script Putin gave him? Whatever! Just how long can this fool carry on? Surely there is a limit on bare faced lies? When are the good folk of the USA ( an there are some) going to stand as one and say no more?
So basically he's a coward and a liar. Think the video evidence pretty much proves that now. Also I think be might be afraid of the dark.
Who would have thunk inglish was hard four im
https://twitter.com/MAXWASABI_/status/1015009571784364032
It really does look like Diane Abbott levels of ineptitude (now there's a dream ticket). I've actually got to the stage where I'm almost finding it funny*. It's like a cross between Yes Minister and a Carry On film. Do you think he'll say he mis-spoke when taking the Oath, if he needs to?
Maybe that's where some of the more articulate/intelligent Trump supporters have been at all along. They've been thinking "the guy's pure parody - I can't believe no-one else gets it". Hence mocking - or being contrary with - everyone who's late to the party.
Yeah, it's a shame about the whole ****ing the planet bit, but he's only got another 6 years in office, tops, and based on what he's achieved so far, how many changes will he get through in that time? Of course he may not get re-elected (but you know, I fear he might) and more to the point he could try to change the system so presidents aren't limited to 2 terms - but I have a weird faith that even GOP law makers might see the folly in that.
On the up-side, it turns out he never had bone-spurs at all.... his doctor mis-spoke.
*...or very,very scary. There's this weird, untested equilibrium: on one side there's DT's ability to appear monumentally inept and un-voteable-for, and on the other side there's the unswerving devotion of the American right.
and on the other side there’s the unswerving devotion of the American right.
The important change is being able to stuff the supreme court full of hard right ideologues. Choose some youngish people and the court will be an ideological haven for years to come.
So what exactly is his correction/reversal supposed to say?
That he now believes his intelligence agencies? Because he seemed to say that:
“Let me be totally clear in saying that … I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place,”
But then he said that he didn't necessarily believe that:
“It could be other people also. There’s a lot of people out there.”
He just can't help himself.
Haha what a hilariously bad BS excuse. I would piss on him if he was on fire.
Sorry, I meant I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
How long was Trump in his private meeting with Putin ?
Putin sort of always has a notebook and writes stuff down as he's a bit switched on and always very helpful offering to send some of his people to help with the investigation 🙂
Between trump and putin I think i'd rather have a beer with Putin as he's probably the more interesting.
I suspect peak ninfanny-ness is due shortly
