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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but its a 5 minute read that has completely changed my view of the long-term effects of the Trump presidency. Its probably not what you think:

What are Trump’s POSITIVE achievements in the eyes of his opponents?


 
Posted : 04/07/2020 11:02 am
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Well, Trump looks to have gone back to using Neil Young at the end of rallies, assume in response to the Stones’ threats of legal action.

Ah…

Can’t see what he’s written, the site doesn’t want to load, but I have read comments elsewhere, and Angry Tinkerbell’s congregation have said they paid for the rights to use Neil’s music, which makes it alright.
I don’t think it does, I believe the rights holder has veto on anyone wanting to use music that the rights holder doesn’t approve of.
Not that that makes any difference to Angry Tinkerbell, because he sees himself as God’s representative on Earth, and can do anything he damn well pleases!


 
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but its a 5 minute read that has completely changed my view of the long-term effects of the Trump presidency. Its probably not what you think:

What are Trump’s POSITIVE achievements in the eyes of his opponents?

Fascinating and healing take on Trump. Got me thinking that a lot of what she says can also be applied to the UK and Brexit.


 
Posted : 04/07/2020 9:55 pm
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Mexico has closed its border with the USA. Hilarious.


 
Posted : 05/07/2020 9:33 am
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😁


 
Posted : 05/07/2020 9:37 am
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Codybrennan,

I noticed the first point made in that article is that has Trump has 'smoked out' those who share his views but have previously concealed those views behind a veneer of decency. Trump is the symptom not the cause, to suggest that things were ticking along fine before Trump aŕived is an illusion.

Voices advocating for BLM, gender rights and all round common decency have a louder voice precisely because of the likes of Trump and Boris. What were witnessing is the slipping of the mask rather than the draining of the swamp.

Those advocating that we should all come together are perhaps denying the fact that things have to get worse before they get better.Did we really expect either Hilary Clinton or Jeremy Corbyn to fix the systemic problems we are now beginning to face up to? They might have contained the situation better but the underlying problems would have remained unchecked.


 
Posted : 05/07/2020 3:09 pm
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Mexico has closed its border with the USA. Hilarious.

Bet they wished they had paid for that wall now.


 
Posted : 05/07/2020 6:03 pm
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Bet they wished they had paid for that wall now.

No sweat. Ask the GOC to pay for it.

I noticed the first point made in that article is that has Trump has ‘smoked out’ those who share his views but have previously concealed those views behind a veneer of decency. 

Yes, Trump (and Cummings and Johnson) have legitimised being an arsehole and acting like an arsehole.


 
Posted : 05/07/2020 7:25 pm
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Rewriting history you say…? Make way…

https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1279947673051815941?s=21


 
Posted : 07/07/2020 7:17 pm
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He's not wrong. History records that Rutherford was the first person to 'knowingly' split the atom in an experiment at Manchester University in 1918. But several years earlier Clarence Futterbuck of Blarksville Wyoming accidentally and unwittingly split an atom with a hammer and cold chisel whilst installing a Superstar BB.


 
Posted : 07/07/2020 7:24 pm
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^^ lol 😆


 
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Go Donald!

Now pulling out of WHO... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53327906

Although since process takes 12 months, he'll hopefully be trying to avoid a prison cell as ex-POTUS by next July.

Or we'll have left with the US as part of a Brexit deal 🙂


 
Posted : 07/07/2020 10:39 pm
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This makes sobering, and rather terrifying reading; basically The Donald has been priming his congregation to expect him to lose the election, and it will be due to cheating by the Democrats and their far-Left Marxist supporters, so he’s more or less fomenting open civil war in the US.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-lose-2020-election-supporters-maga-presidency-a9606081.html


 
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And yet so unsurprising at the same time.

Personally, I can't believe he hasn't attempted to get his face dynamited into Rushmore.


 
Posted : 08/07/2020 10:36 am
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I am surprised he has not gone on a twitter storm about US being on the no fly list to Europe


 
Posted : 08/07/2020 10:38 am
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Thursday *could* be a big day in efforts to get access to trump's tax returns and financial records.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/supreme-court-trump-tax-returns-financial-records-353428


 
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I am surprised he has not gone on a twitter storm about US being on the no fly list to Europe

Probably more preoccupied with the book that his niece has written about him...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/07/donald-trump-abuse-father-niece-mary-book

He won't give a shit about whether Americans can go on holiday to Europe, he'll be lashing out at all the Fake News within her book.


 
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He's not worried about the no fly to Europe, the people who vote for him don't go out of their own state, let alone go to Europe.


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 9:31 am
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And its not in his interest to remind people how badly the US Covid situation is going.

BLM has given them a suitable distraction and it is easy to get his core base fired up about uppity *******


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 11:43 am
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His tax documents will be amusing I'm sure

What effect will it have tho?

His base don't care or won't believe anything negative anyway.

Biden better not fk up between now & November or America will have to deal with a 2nd wave with this lunatic in charge !


 
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Biden better not fk up between now & November or America will have to deal with a 2nd wave with this lunatic in charge !

That's another win for Trump - you can't have a second wave if you never get out of the first one. 🙂

(see also, England and Wales)


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 12:25 pm
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The biggest risk to Biden right now is Kanye and his bid. If the election is going to be as close as the last one, then his taking any votes away from Joe in states that might swing is going to put Trump straight back in.

Kanye appears to be just another lunatic, but I seem to recall that he is mates with DT. Without wanting to spoil the brim on my tinfoil hat, could this be a cunning stunt to split the Democrat vote? DT might not be that smart, but he may have someone in his entourage that is.


 
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His tax documents will be amusing I’m sure

What effect will it have tho?

His base don’t care or won’t believe anything negative anyway.

Most of his base think taxation is theft so his returns showing no tax paid will have no negative effect


 
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The biggest risk to Biden right now is Kanye and his bid. If the election is going to be as close as the last one, then his taking any votes away from Joe in states that might swing is going to put Trump straight back in.

Kanye appears to be just another lunatic, but I seem to recall that he is mates with DT. Without wanting to spoil the brim on my tinfoil hat, could this be a cunning stunt to split the Democrat vote? DT might not be that smart, but he may have someone in his entourage that is.

in the 2016 election, votes for independents amounted less than 5% of the total votes cast. The other 95% voted for dems or republicans

Kanye runs around with MAGA hats on. No democrat supporter is voting for him. If anything he'll take votes from republicans.


 
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Kanye appears to be just another lunatic, but I seem to recall that he is mates with DT. Without wanting to spoil the brim on my tinfoil hat, could this be a cunning stunt to split the Democrat vote? DT might not be that smart, but he may have someone in his entourage that is.

Theres the small issue that Kanye has missed the deadline to run as a candidate in many states. So even if he did go ahead a run he'd be running with the clear outcome that he can't win. Any votes he got would have the same effect as a spoiled ballot - voting with the intention of demonstrating you don't want to vote for any of the candidates- so in theory there'd be no split of the vote as he'd only attract votes from people who otherwise wouldn't have voted.  Interestingly Future President West only registeedr to vote for the first time in his life on Monday.

Kanye runs around with MAGA hats on.

He has declared that he's stopped wearing it

"I am taking the red hat off," he said. "It looks like one big mess to me. I don’t like that I caught wind that he hid in the bunker… One of the main reasons I wore the red hat as a protest to the segregation of votes in the Black community. Also, other than the fact that I like Trump hotels and the saxophones in the lobby.”


 
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Kanye runs around with MAGA hats on. No democrat supporter is voting for him. If anything he’ll take votes from republicans.

This. I thought he might be shilling for Trump, but his policies are batshit crazy anti-vaxx, anti-abortion MAGA stuff.

Most of his base think taxation is theft so his returns showing no tax paid will have no negative effect

His base is substantial, but is not quite the size he thinks it is. He needs more than the deplorables to be reelected.


 
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The biggest risk to Biden right now is Kanye and his bid.

The biggest risk to Biden is expiring from a combination of being old and stressed.


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 2:14 pm
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I assume he lost the tax returns thing then?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281209521675874304


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 4:38 pm
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LAW AND ORDER!

Yep, he lost. Ironically due to the precedent set in the Bill Clinton - Paula Jones case. 🙂


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 4:39 pm
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He's now lost the plot on Twitter (as usual).


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 4:56 pm
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Access granted to NYC prosecutors but denied to Congress.
Decision was 7 - 2.
Interestingly both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh both supported the decision.
Can't imagine the orange buffoon being impressed by those two who he saw as being his placemen.
Judgement written by John Roberts so that's him off trump's christmas card list.


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 5:02 pm
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Very specifically stating the number times he’s told his joke about testing. If he’s told you once he’s told you one hundredth of a time!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 5:32 pm
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So is this all linked to the NYT investigation, that claimed his family had been undervaluing their assets for years to avoid tax? Also linked to his niece's claims that as a result her grandfather's estate was undervalued?


 
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Jamze - 'Multiple Democrat-led House committees issued subpoenas to the president’s financial institutions in mid-2019 as part of a probe into allegations from Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen that the president inflated his wealth on tax returns in order to secure large loans.

Cohen, who turned over years of financial statements to the committees, also said Trump undervalued his assets to reduce his real estate taxes — prompting Congress to issue subpoenas of his financial records dating back to 2009.

Vance’s office last September also subpoenaed Trump’s longtime accounting company Mazars USA for eight years of his financial records and tax returns as part of an investigation into whether he paid hush money before the 2016 election to several women with whom he allegedly had affairs.

The payments would be a potential violation of campaign finance laws'.


 
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Another great ad from the Lincoln Project


 
Posted : 09/07/2020 8:45 pm
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I'm sure he will have a measured, thoughtful response to this...

https://twitter.com/AngrierWHStaff/status/1281279327997431808


 
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He already has - when it was first announced.
Today he described NYC as a 'hellhole' - because the Supreme Court ruled in favour of Cyrus Vance.


 
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Not that surprising, but politically risky

BBC News - Roger Stone: Trump commutes ex-adviser's sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756


 
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I really like my Ksyrium Elite UST wheels so this is worrying.
Have Mavic stopped supplying UK distributors since the fears over their future?


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 8:50 am
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Another great ad from the Lincoln Project

That repeated whispering is one of the most annoying things I’ve ever heard.


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 8:50 am
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Not that surprising, but politically risky

Thinking ahead to keeping himself out of prison when/if he gets kicked out in November.


 
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I really like my Ksyrium Elite UST wheels so this is worrying.
Have Mavic stopped supplying UK distributors since the fears over their future?

Posted 9 minutes ago

Does Trump's treachery know no bounds?


 
Posted : 11/07/2020 9:00 am
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V disappointing about Stone but well trailed by trump so...not surprising.
I don't think it's politically risky for trump in that it's what his supporters wanted and it's what everyone on both sides expected.
After this, Stone will be all over the US media like a rash spouting his hoax theories. Would be best if he was denied the oxygen of publicity he lives for.


 
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That should just make the democrats job easier, as long as they campaign to change the law on presidential/governor pardons. "One law for everyone" etc is easy campaigning and they can easily and demonstratively paint the Republicans in a bad light.

They probably won't though, they also want that power when they are in office.


 
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Not sure it's completely unprecedented from the BBC article, but the Democrats should making the most of it


 
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Mueller now puts his head above the parapet about Stone...
https://www.axios.com/mueller-stone-prosecuted-convicted-38529378-e6fa-44a6-8465-567c5aa53c1e.html


 
Posted : 12/07/2020 1:26 am
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In interesting who's-who of Trump Towers residents 🙂

https://twitter.com/Zeddary/status/1155486497451184128


 
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^^ It's honestly like reading an account of an alternative reality.


 
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1282752545140637697?s=20

Stupid Obama, not having a time machine. Stupid journalists, not wanting to report things that didn’t, and couldn’t, happen...


 
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See they are gunning for Fauci now, as he's obviously been saying things that the orange one doesn't like (i.e. like truthful facts and figures about the pandemic)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53392817

Standard "leaked" memo.


 
Posted : 14/07/2020 10:29 am
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So Trump pulls out the WHO, attacks the CDC, is gunning for the top infectious disease expert on his own Coronavirus Task Force, and retweets conspiracies from a former game show host instead.

FFS. I hate this timeline.


 
Posted : 14/07/2020 11:41 am
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I'm starting to wonder how much time the human race actually has left?


 
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#Thanos2020


 
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#Thanos2020

Inevitable, I suppose. 🙂

But will help with social distancing.


 
Posted : 14/07/2020 12:25 pm
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Remove all other narratives and yours becomes the truth.


 
Posted : 14/07/2020 12:32 pm
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An example of how low Trump's team go. Tweeting a pic of Biden about the time he lost his wife, with a son who died too.

https://twitter.com/WFKARS/status/1282761776329895941?s=20


 
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I wonder if you take away all of the playing golf, watching fox and friends, tweeting bile/lies, how much time he actually spends doing his job?


 
Posted : 14/07/2020 12:58 pm
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Mary Trump's book arrived on my Kindle this morning. Will be an interesting read later.


 
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Many, but by no means all of us, have been shielded until now from the worst effects of his pathologies by a stable economy and a lack of serious crises. But the out-of-control COVID-19 pandemic, the possibility of an economic depression, deepening social divides along political lines thanks to Donald’s penchant for division, and devastating uncertainty about our country’s future have created a perfect storm of catastrophes that no one is less equipped than my uncle to manage. Doing so would require courage, strength of character, deference to experts, and the confidence to take responsibility and to course correct after admitting mistakes. His ability to control unfavorable situations by lying, spinning, and obfuscating has diminished to the point of impotence in the midst of the tragedies we are currently facing.

Trump, Mary L.. Too Much and Never Enough (pp. 13-14). Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.


 
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I am struggling to see how that Steve Guest twitter post could be misunderstood as anything else other than vicious appalling behaviour. When he typed that out, did he really think 'yeah, this will go down well'...


 
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I wonder if you take away all of the playing golf, watching fox and friends, tweeting bile/lies, how much time he actually spends doing his job?

As a useful indication maybe.... when he commuted Stone's sentence and with all the  talk of his use of (and threats to use) presidential pardons for his cronies I looked up previous presidents use of Pardons

It seems like the typical tally per presidency is about 400 - 500 Presidential Pardons and Communted Sentences. The two Bushes were both a bit mean with them, Obama issued over a thousand. Some of those numbers are big because you might for instance get a blanket pardon of Vietnam Draft Resisters but theres lots of pardoning of historic convictions and so on - stuff where times have changed - a bit like the UK Government's posthumous pardon of Turing for instance.

Anyway....Trump..... 25

Meanwhile although he's famous for the amounts of sackings he announces the number of people he's fired is pretty negligible next to the quality of posts he's failed to even fill

It would be interesting to see what other metrics there are to compare

Its partly that he's lazy and easily distracted but the Stephen Colbert interview with John Bolton was quite revealing  in that it seems the team around him take the roles believing that Trump is inexperienced but that with their help the Whitehouse can deliver the broad Trump agenda - but Trump actively resists and rejects their help and advice. Probably because he's so out of his depth even with their support he doesn't actually know what he's supposed to do or how to do it


 
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I was watching a light hearted Equinox documentary on Britains building of a nuclear bomb. Someone had joked at the time of sending Hitler multiple pieces of Uranium / Plutonium till there was enough on his desk that it went critical.

I'm sure it would work with Trump. Spray them gold and get DHL'ing it over.


 
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I'm watching the "urgent presidential press conference" called in the rose garden, it's not urgent as he's uttering incomplete sentences whilst congratulating himself as president - just when you think he cannot go any more batshit crazy he ramps it up yet again.


 
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I know what the world needs in these troubled times: rambling incoherent boasting and yet more lies. Thanks Donald.


 
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He also wants to stop hospitals giving covid figures to the CDC as he heard that doctors are lying about the figures and the CDC are lying about the figures. I think they're supposed to give the figures to Trump so he can decide what the actual numbers are and tell the public.


 
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The problem is if you put a potato with a wig on the lecturn, the people who support him would claim it was him and still agree with what he said. Actually the potatoe idea might not be a bad shout thinking about it.


 
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I’m still watching it but I’m unsure why?, guess I’m waiting on a White House aid to creep up behind trump and knock him out then apologise to the press for allowing trump out of his cage.

I thought there were laws against using a whitehouse press conference for electioneering publicity?


 
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Actually the potatoe idea might not be a bad shout thinking about it.

Dan Quail?


 
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I thought there were laws against using a whitehouse press conference for electioneering publicity?

Theres a scene in Parks & Recreation where Lesley keeps dragging co wrokers out of the (government) office to discuss her election/running for office plans, as govt buildings aren't allowed to to be used for that?


 
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An article on one of the US political websites - will post link when I find it - suggested that, if trump loses in November he could pardon himself in January, immediately prior to the new inauguration, of any crimes he may have committed against the US during his time as president.
Based directly on Gerald Ford's presidential proclamation in which he pardoned Nixon - but with the twist that he pardons himself for stuff that may not be known about.
Yep, through the looking glass now - or is it down the rabbit hole?


 
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I had to stop watching, but now I want to check it out again

This article is worrying, as we seem to be sliding down to America's level, how long before we end up with MPs that believe in burning down 5G masts to stop covid?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/qanon-politicians-candidates.html#click=https://t.co/vmpDN75Irw


 
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Theres a scene in Parks & Recreation

Good call, I’m away to watch a bit of parks & recreation now, perhaps the episode where Ron Swanson gets sent to the lagavullin distillery, I need something amusing to remove my confusion over the “urgent press conference” I’ve just watched


 
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thought there were laws against using a whitehouse press conference for electioneering publicity?

The Hatch Act, but it doesn’t apply to the President or VP.


 
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He can only be pardoned for Federal crimes which is why the NYC filings are so important, he can't get out of state or local crimes. Hopefully he will finally be prosecuted for a crime versus dodging with dragging things out in the courts. Probably won't be before November though.


 
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Dan Quail?

Remember when thats all we had to worry about? Someone should have told us we were living in a golden age.


 
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It's a ****ing miracle!!!!

The US have apparently taken reasoned and appropriate action over Hong Kong. Is there something I am missing here, or has someone slipped some lsd in my morning coffee.


 
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