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instead of trying to chase me round the forum.
How many threads have we conversed on today, two? Same re-writing history, different threads. Post your anti-EU nonsense across more threads and I'll counter it on those too.
edukator - I often do not agree with Ernie but he does not post nonsense. Its logical and coherent. the lexit position on he EU I believe is wrong - but unlike the rightwing brexiteers it is actually a considered and coherent construct.
sorry Ernie if that comes over as patronising. Edukater - perhaps learn a little 😉 Listen before you shout?
mefty
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Sleeves are too long too.
TBH it just looks like it's not been tailored to his normal posture. Usually you'd say that's the tailor's fault, but I reckon it could have been cut to look good in the poses and static photos, rather than in his usual slump. He obviously doesn't have much upper body flexibility so he tends to move and stand weirdly to compensate and that'll tend to make even the best clothes look bad.
FFS I’ve just seen it mefty, I never realised that he was such a fat bastard.
Its the bow tie.
*checks e-mails - nothing*
Was that you mods? Or is the absence of my last post just a glitch?
After meeting with farage yesterday, Trump is now saying that the NHS won't be on the table in a future trade deal 😂😂
As if that wasn't an inevitable consequence of Brexit....
After meeting with farage yesterday, Trump is now saying that the NHS won’t be on the table in a future trade deal 😂😂
As if that wasn’t an inevitable consequence of Brexit….
Would you object to people earning more than £100k per household to pay something for NHS?
🤔
They do. Via tax. But you know that.
After meeting with farage yesterday, Trump is now saying that the NHS won’t be on the table in a future trade deal
You can imagine how that conversation went:
Farage: You know that NHS thing you said? Well, we all know it's true, we'd sell you it after Brexit. But if we actually told Leave voters what they were getting, most of them would be appalled and want to call the whole thing off. Would you mind awfully not saying that again?
He's had 6 hours & he still hasn't deleted it
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1137051097955102720?s=19
If you read into it, the Mars plan involves going to the moon first. So it kind of makes sense. He is just a poor communicator.
That happens a lot, people hate the guy so much they jump on little things and take them out of context (his context anyway)
He tweeted that immediately after a fox and friends show or something on fox news where the commentator said we shouldn't be going to the moon 'cos we did that decades ago and should be aiming for mars
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He’s had 6 hours & he still hasn’t deleted it
You would have to be incredibly daft and gullible (ironically like your stereotypical Trump supporter) to genuinely believe that Trump doesn't know the difference between the Moon and Mars.
If you accept that Trump knows the difference but want to mock him because he didn't specifically refer to the Moon space mission and the Mars space mission, and instead just said Moon and Mars, then it makes you look childish, petty, and more interested in school yard taunting than serious politics.
So perhaps Trump didn't delete his admittedly clumsily worded tweet because he wanted to expose his detractors as daft and childish.
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/moon-to-mars/overview
Believe me, I think Trump is a grade A knob and the worst person in the world right now, but even I can see what he meant there.
Or he's an idiot.
Presumably not just any idiot, but an idiot so talented that he became President of the wealthiest and most powerful nation on Earth.
An idiot who wants his idiocity to extend from Earth, to the Moon, to Mars.
In the noble quest for other idiot life forms perhaps?
He is not particularly an idiot tho not really very smart. He does have a personality disorder tho - a psychopath
Ernie, if you're suggesting politicians can't be idiots then I suggest you try reading the papers or watching the news. Trump appears to have little knowledge of current affairs, science, geography or many other areas. His off the cuff comments and answers to questions often show a lack of understanding and empathy.
Believe me, I think Trump is a grade A knob and the worst person in the world right now, but even I can see what he meant there.
Yeah but it still doesn't make sense. If he has understood that the Moon is not physically part of Mars, but that going to the Moon may be part of a Mars project, why does he criticise NASA for planning to go to the Moon?
Whichever way you look at it it's a badly worded tweet, but I assumed he was claiming that NASA was too focused on again going to the moon and back, which was done 50 years ago, and should be focused instead on using the moon more as a relay to Mars. Which by all accounts is already NASA's plan anyway, so a daft comment from that point of view.
Who do I trust to have a better vision of space exploration and what is required to achieve that vision, NASA, or Trump ... ? 🙂
Well NASA focuses on Luna issues, and Trump focuses on lunatic issues. They're both experts in their field.
It's not exactly rocket science.
Maybe this is what happens when you combine an expert lunatic with a luna space programme :
I'm going with idiot. He was born into a very wealthy family and was a figurehead in the business which more despite him than because of him is still making money. Whereas he seemed hell bent on making losses.
His "style" of management got him noticed by television which upped his "popularity", he made some idiotic boasts which by good fortune, read spending a fortune, got him elected by appealing where politicians don't appeal to. Whipping the disenfranchised into a frenzy, while caring not a jot.
He is now surrounded by a large group of people who seem only to be making sense of his idiotic ramblings on the world stage.
So yes a rich idiot who bought lots of power and now is worryingly in power. Bojo is a poor man's (it's all relative) version.
“100 idiots make idiotic plans, and carry them out. All but one justly fail. The hundredth idiot whose plans succeeded through pure luck, is immediately convinced he’s a genius.”
—Iain Banks, Matter
Well I can't argue with someone who includes the word idiot in their name.
So are we going for : Donald Trump has learning difficulties and doesn't know the difference between the Moon which orbits Earth, and Mars the planet which orbits the Sun? For the more polite version.
No I'm going with the informal definition of "a stupid person".
His tweet, as with lots of messages, tweet, texts, etc, is badly worded but in the world of fast moving media it'll be chip wrappers within 5minutes.
American, and now British, politics is not a meritocracy but it is definitely shaped by "men in grey suits".
Not men with flamboyant blonde hair?
Boris Johnson will be disappointed.
yourguitarhero
Member
If you read into it, the Mars plan involves going to the moon first. So it kind of makes sense. He is just a poor communicator.
Nah, not really, it's just a total contradiction- "we shouldn't be going to the moon, we should be going to mars, which involves going to the moon first. Which we shouldn't be doing, because we should be going to mars. Which involves...
That's not the quote though. He doesn't mention "going" to Mars. It is without doubt a badly worded and sloppy tweet. He should be as careful as I am when I post on here.
Most people know what he was trying to say, even if they don't agree. Suggesting otherwise just plays into the "fake news" mantra which his supporters are so keen to believe.
This MSNBC video is excellent as it ridicules Trump for his apparently completely contradictory position on what NASA's space goals should be. You will note that they make little capital out of his clumsily worded tweet, they don't suggest that he doesn't understand the difference between the Moon and Mars.
It's like when he talked about Namibia, or various other times he got stuff wrong. You can get away with saying he just mixed it up a few times but eventually you just have to accept he's not that bright and stop making excuses.
It not that he is thick - tho he is not the sharpest tool in the box. Its that he refuses to be briefed on anything and refuses to listen to anyone. So he actually has no grasp of issues.
Check how many of these he shows
Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:
Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment
Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation
Trump is only interested in money and power but mostly money. He stayed at his golf course in Ireland this week and the bill for this was $3.6 million. They paid over $16000 for golf carts.
It's because he's one of those people that believe money is happiness (and so there more he has the happier he is) and doesn't understand people who don't think the same.
Unfortunately this weird world view is reinforced by yes men, subservient hangers on and beautiful women who will sell their love for the lifestyle. Because money is happiness.
Perhaps he's just stating the very obvious thing you've all missed - the reason for going to the moon is that it's a stepping stone to Mars.
And if NASA is going to spend a ton of money going to the moon, it would be helpful if they could also mention that goal. It's a lot further out of course, but it's good to keep the end goal in sight.
Actually quite smart.
They could launch the rocket from Nambia, it's the closest country to the Moon.
oldnpastit
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Perhaps he’s just stating the very obvious thing you’ve all missed – the reason for going to the moon is that it’s a stepping stone to Mars.
No, he isn't. That mught be what he was trying to say, who knows? But it's not what he said.
“It’s not an interference, they have information -- I think I’d take it,” Trump said.
Open for business from foreign powers in the run-up to 2020 then. A brazen repeat of him calling on Russia to send him Hillary's emails in 2016.
The level of corruption is so extreme, and yet becoming completely normalised.
Not a parody account. The actual White House:
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1139560651666415616
This from the Freedland article above:
Draw up a checklist of the semiotics of dictatorship and Trump ticks every one. He muses out loud about being president for life, saying it would be “great”. He’s indicated often that he would not accept the outcome of an election he lost. He’s threatened to jail his political opponents. He has the despot’s attitude to the truth – lying routinely, even about trivial matters, partly to demonstrate power. So great is his sway over his devotees, he can make them believe even what is provably false.
And he has the despot’s contempt for a free press, forever railing against the “fake news” media and all but abolishing the White House daily briefing, which at least aimed to hold successive administrations to account. Note his abuse of power to pursue vendettas against the companies that own media organisations that displease him: seeking to raise postal charges on Amazon, as retaliation against the Washington Post, owned by Amazon’s Jeff Bezos; and moving to block the AT&T-Time Warner merger to hurt CNN.
The most chilling moment of his encounter with Putin last weekend came when the two men bonded over their shared loathing of journalists: “Get rid of them,” Trump said to his Kremlin counterpart, perhaps envious of the toll of 26 murdered journalists notched up in Russia during the Putin years.
His disregard for the rule of law is also that of the autocrat. His aides simply ignore subpoenas to appear before Congress, while in the name of his invented migrant “crisis” at the southern border, he became the first US president ever to declare a national emergency solely to circumvent the authority granted to Congress by the constitution. “That was a pretty straightforward authoritarian power-grab,” according to Kristy Parker, a former Department of Justice lawyer now with the Protect Democracy advocacy group.
A wry, hollow laugh is about all that’s appropriate.
Trump is clearly a dictator with one important piece missing, there are free elections so he can easily be removed. The word free is up for debate depending on how much you believe in outside interference such as Russia, stopping people voting based on technicalities etc,. but a proper dictator would be controlling the elections more tightly than Trump ever could (well I hope so anyway)
*awaits tittylip tweet*
Does he tweet before or after his Maccy D breakfast?
Kerley - there are various attempts going on at gerrymandeing. voter ID is to put off the poor, black and illegals from voting which boosts republican vote. Citizenships status on the census form is to distort the census returns by reducing the same groups so states with a lot of these groups will get less representation than they deserve then there are also attempts to gerrymander boundaries again to disenfranchise democrat leaning groups.
I don't know if it's been mentioned before on here, but the last series of Veep was both hilarious and a huge dig at Trump and the current state of US politics.
Here's a thought, that would cut him to the core. We ignore him. Just plain ignore him. I know it won't happen but.......
inept, insecure and incompetent
But unfortunately, in power. 😕
He is not even intelligent enough that when accused of being insecure not to respond in the most insecure of ways thus proving the leaked email correct.
To be fair, Darroch's report was not exactly insightful - I think pretty much any of us could have written it from the comfort of Blighty without having to run the risk of living and working close enough that you might actually meet the buffoon.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381394234941448
Surprisingly accurate tweet for Trump, considering the actual country of origin involved.
Ah the full racist "go back to where they came from".
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1150381395078000643?s=19
And who could argue that the US doesn't have a complete and total catastrophe for a government, the worst, most corrupt and inept...after all, that's what Kim Darroch said.
The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.
franksinatra Member
The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.
This ^ x 100000000000
Isn't this the language we would usually associate with the likes of the Westboro Baptist church goons?
I find trumps ability to ignore any criticism or scrutiny utterly depressing.
3 of the 4 congresswoman he is talking about are American born. One is from the Bronx, one from Detroit and a third from Cincinatti. The fourth is originally from Somalia.
Exactly, which is why Trump was correct when he said
"came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)"
As the country he is referring to is actaully the US
The fourth is originally from Somalia.
and has been an American citizen longer than Trumps wife has.
Fill in the missing letters
Trump is a R..............ist
could be ap
could be ac
could be aging narsssi
The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.
I don't think it is and I don't think he necessarily will.
It's not the norm - it's the number one media story today.
Will he get away with it? Next Presidential election is about a year away. 40pc of the US population are non-white/non Hispanic. Almost all of them are from families of immigrants, although some more recent than others. You can't alienate that many people and still win elections.
You can’t alienate that many people and still win elections.
lets not count those chickens until they are hatched
Almost all of them are from families of immigrants
so is he - being from families of immigrants doesn't stop you wanting to pull the ladder up.
He'll get away with it
Look at Johnson , our PM despite a history of racsim & bigotry
Trump does not have the compliant media that Johnson has
lets not count those chickens until they are hatched
I'm not counting the 'trump will lose' chickens. I'm saying we shouldn't count the 'Trump will get away with this comment' chickens.
Trump could win - he did last time against the odds. But there's a ton of reasons to think he might not. Apart from being blatantly inept he was the 'outsider' candidate last time offering to change the status quo. He can't be the 'outsider' candidate now. He's been in office for 5 years he *is* the status quo.
Trump does not have the compliant media that Johnson has
Really? What media are you listening to? Every inconsistency in Johnson's case has been picked over in detail in the media plus his private life earlier on in the campaign.
Boris flaws are all over the media.
Come off it! 80% of the press is owned by non uk resident brexiteers. Why is Johnson not being chased for his racism every day? Why are his lies not being exposed by all outlets? Why is it not the lead story on the TV every day?
Yes there is some press that will report this stuff but it does not get the prominence it deserves and much of the press / media simply ignore it.
In the US almost all the major news organisations will expose trump. In the UK its a tiny minority that will expose Johnson
Come off it! 80% of the press is owned by non uk resident brexiteers. Why is Johnson not being chased for his racism every day? Why are his lies not being exposed by all outlets? Why is it not the lead story on the TV every day?
Yes there is some press that will report this stuff but it does not get the prominence it deserves and much of the press / media simply ignore it.
In the US almost all the major news organisations will expose trump. In the UK its a tiny minority that will expose Johnson
Can you give me an example of Boris racism that you don't think hasn't been widely reported in the media so we can google it and see how much coverage it got.
I shall stick to my promise to yself and keep out of politics threads on here.
I suggest you compare the mail . express and telegraphs coverage of his racism to the Guardians. try Picanninies with watermelon smiles. See how many hits you get in those papers compared to the guardian
He can’t be the ‘outsider’ candidate now. He’s been in office for 5 years he *is* the status quo.
If you look at what he says he still tries that line. All the "deep state" rubbish preventing him from saving the world etc.
The question is how many people will buy into it.
OOB - or you could look into the EU straight bananas story. Invented by johnson. run with in all the right wing press including of course the telegraph for whom he wrote the lie in a column.
Yes, thank God the Yanks have impartial coverage on Fox News to highlight Trump's racism. The shameful thing is not Trump, we know what he is, but the utter corruption of mainstream republicanism which looks the other way.
Can you give me an example of Boris racism that you don’t think hasn’t been widely reported in the media so we can google it and see how much coverage it got.
try Picanninies with watermelon smiles.
I googled Picanninies + "watermelon smiles".
15,300 hits on Google including every media outlet I can think of.
The Telegraph were (by definition) the first to quote it.
The question is how many people will buy into it.
Less than last time IMHO.
Well it turns out he;s angered Mrs May. She hasn't responded with a barrage of angry tweets though. She's expressed her annoyance on the side of some vans and parked them in places where she thinks he's likely to see them.
**** me, I actually agree with the Trumpet about something
Democrat congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)
3 of them are American, and their home country does appear to be those things
Meanwhile, Nazis in Italy caught with air to air missile presumably to make a ghetto SAM.