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I bought a Jaguar.. X Type saloon. Aiming at better economy than my 2.0l Mondeo Petrol that got 22MPG average! Not good for me when my job is Driving..
So I bought myself a Jaguar on the understanding it's more economical, reliable and generally better as a car. Plus it pulls like a train!
I'll be doing alot of miles and I will be carrying a bike in the boot sometimes. Don't mind folding the rear seats down as that's what I did with the Mondeo. But is it a good riders car aswell as a drivers car? Or did I pitch and miss when aiming for riding?
Saloon? Not a bike car.
So you changed a Mondeo for a car based on ...a Mondeo ?
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Saloon? Not a bike car.
This
Isn't the X-type a Mondeo?
Essentially but it was the 2.5V6 engine that was a part of the appeal. I've blown 2 of the I4 engines in Mondeos. A 1.8 and a 2.0 but I enjoy the feel of a Mondeo too drive. Hence the side-grade.
Also I got 1 bike in very easily too my Mondeo. Multiple XC bikes and a DH bike.. so I'm not worried about boot space too much. It was more a question on the sensibility of it. Biking if needs be I can get a rack. It was the driving milage-comfort level that I wasn't too sure about.
I get a bike in my XF saloon. It's be a bit of a hassle though, both wheels off.
Yeah, I've always had too take both wheels off in both of my cars. So I'm used too it. 🙂
Do X types carry a bag of Golf clubs in the boot too? As it's something I occasionally do in my spare time.
gmex619 - Member
Essentially but it was the 2.5V6 engine that was a part of the appeal.
The same 2.5 V6 that you get in.......... a Mondeo?
Is a 2.5 petrol really going to be more economical than a 2.0 petrol?
What you really need is one of these. In V12 flavour.
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Eventer? Classy call, McM!
If it is a saloon you will soon get cheesed off with it for carting bikes around (I did).
Must have been something wrong with your Mondeo to only get 22MPG out of it!!
Ah c'mon guys. Is a 2.5, V6 X type going to be more economical AND a better biking car than a 2.0l Mondeo?
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the 2.5V6 engine that was a part of the appeal
I've blown 2 of the I4 engines in Mondeos
22MPG average
it pulls like a train
The [s]force[/s] right foot is strong with this one.
😀
If you want a mondeo but you don't want a blue oval on it, then the x-type is ace. 2.2 diesel would have made more sense though.
Seriously, is this a troll?
If you want to make any progress at all, you'll struggle to get 22mpg from a 2.5v6 x-type. I doubt it'd do that if towed while idling. The 4x4 system alone adds 250kg to the mondo drive train and that v6 (it's from Mazda originally) fails to make power, torque or efficient use of the petrol the injectors throw down its manifolds. Sorry but epic epic fail.
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what I don't unnerstand is the title is a question, yet the OP has already bought an unsuitable jag.
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Sorry I'll answer the posed question rather the glaringly obvious error in the OP's ways: it's an OK riders car, but not a great one. The boot opening's too small for a bike to load easily and while the rear seats fold flat it's a ball ache to get a bike in there. A bike will go on the back seat though and being a proper saloon you could easily get a set of saris bones on the boot lid. I used ours once, perhaps twice for biking and it was alright, if you squint a bit. Wouldn't choose one as a bikers car.
The back cylinder bank's plugs are likely to have not been changed if it's not been to a jag dealer as you have to take the manifold off. Actually an easy job just some garages get scared.
It will make you smile on the drive to somewhere like GT though.
It will make you smile on the drive to somewhere like GT though.
Until you go to the petrol station for the 3rd time
[i]If you want to make any progress at all, you'll struggle to get 22mpg from a 2.5v6 x-type[/i]
Should be better than that, I ran the 3.0i last year and averaged 27mpg. The AWD system is superb, even with near-bald tyres it just finds the grip. Plenty of go too and real leather - not that fake stuff the Germans put in their cars.
Bike-wise mine was crap, either take off the wheels and put on the back seat (didn't fold on mine) or a rack - tow-bar just wasn't worth putting on my 'banger'.
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[i]It will make you smile on the drive to somewhere like GT though. [/i]
Yep. But then I live near GT so get to drive these roads every day 🙂
Mountain bikes are muddy and can scratch things easily. Jags are shiny. That in itself would be a no for me.
22mpg there is something wrong there 37mpg average from a 2l petrol here
i'll happily be corrected here but the 2.5 jags are not AWD that was just an option on the 3.0. (and the V6 isn't a mazada unit)
i see 32-33mph average from a 2.5 v6.
but to be honest you want a Diesal Estate.
A mate of mine had a diesel x type estate, it was nice enough to travel in, but the boot opening was so small I couldn't get my bike in with the front wheel in, the bars wouldn't fit.
Rack job methinks.
On the subject of ford engines, I used to have an st24 2.5l V6 back in the day, it was great at the time, but I was dreaming this weekend and looking at the new 320d tourers. They're as fast, but do 3 times the mpg and put out less CO2 than my current i30, WTF! Only 32,000 reasons why I didn't buy one there and then.
2.1 petrol was fwd, as we're all the diesels, 2.5 and 3.0 were all AWD. Heads were from Mazda, block was ford dura tec v6 We got about 27 on average from the 2.1 or 33 on a long speedy motorway run. My mate's 2.5 really struggled to get 27 driving it like miss daisy: think it only made 200bhp from all the mechanical reciprocating mess under the bonnet (who designs an engine with drive belts on both ends? It looked like a novelty Victorian alarm clock) so perhaps it was over strained for the weight.
Ours has gone to the great car crusher in the sky and my mate traded his for the 2.0 diesel. Both looked disgracefully rusty underneath - the sills were properly scary behind the plastic skirts.
Ultimately yes, they are a mk1 mundano in a floppy hat and shades, but we found them really good motorway companions that made you feel that you'd 'arrived' rather than just 'turned up'
>Or did I pitch and miss when aiming for riding?<
Yes.
Inherited a Company one and used it for 6 months. Hated it...
The folding seats are next to useless due the shallow angle of the boot. I kept a blanket over the back seats, threw the frame in there and the wheels in the boot.
Of course you'll get by but its one of the worst cars imaginable for any mountain biker tbh.
No Jaguar don't make a good bike car, as per initial responses.
Carry the bike on a boot rack or buy a duffbag and carry it in the boot with both wheels removed. Pictures have been posted on here of bikes on the back seat of BMW 5 series, yes it can be done, is it a good solution - no
No Jaguar don't make a good bike car
They do, but it's not the model the OP has:
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Cheers for the replies guys!
The Jaguar was bought as the price was right, I like the cars and enjoy the prestige of it.
I don't have a particularly heavy foot. I use a tracker box on my insurance and have for the last Three years.
My Mondeos died due too my 1.8 having a faulty oil light. Basically it dropped it all on some Gravel and I didn't notice until 5m later and it decided the next day too drop a crank bearing.
The 2.0 died I have no idea how.. I turned off the engine picking up a co-worker. Restarted it and it snapped a rod according too my local garage who have pulled the engine apart. Not been able too go and see it yet.
I have been using Mondeos for a while now and economy on my 1.8 was around 35 combined but the 2.0 is a genuine 22 combined average. It was an automatic however, this is all I can pin the lack of economy down too. Putting out £250 a week in Petrol is crippling me so I decided a new car was in order.
AWD was an essential factor as I live just off of Woodhead and as some of you will know there is a lot of snow up here.
It'll be doing alot of Motorway miles down the M62 corridor as my Family are in Liverpool and work send me too Hull every few weeks, aswell as many other places inbetween.
I've avoided Diesels as I know many people who have problems with them. Also I don't like that you see alot of TDCi's that are coughing out ALOT of smoke even brand new ones.
AWD was an essential factor as I live just off of Woodhead and as some of you will know there is a lot of snow up here.
Independent of bikes in the car or driving style, give snow tyres some consideration - they make an incredible difference in terms of grip and control, including (unlike 4wd?) going round corners!
Road Trip shows no increase in MPG for me either, though this for a drive predominantly on 40mph / 50mph A roads with a lot of roundabouts.
AWD was an essential factor as I live just off of Woodhead and as some of you will know there is a lot of snow up here.
with the wrong tyres it just means all the wheels spin.
Putting out £250 a week in Petrol is crippling me so I decided a new car was in order.
At that point diesels do come into the equation, your doing th motorway miles and will probably get it going a bit which cures most of the DPF problems. Considering most of the TD cars I have had have gone above 200k miles they are good at keeping going and would probably half your fuel bill.
I've avoided Diesels as I know many people who have problems with them. Also I don't like that you see alot of TDCi's that are coughing out ALOT of smoke even brand new ones
Do some reading not all smoke is bad.
XF *would* be an ace biking wagon...mmmmm
They do, but it's not the model the OP has:
Only if your bidons don't get spilt in the boot...
"I'VE GOT A JAGUAR!"
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[i]The Jaguar was bought as the price was right, I like the cars and [b]enjoy the prestige of it.[/b][/i]
Has to be a troll
As one or two have suggested - 22mpg from a petrol mondeo and you have blow two of them? 😯
I thought they were a very reliable engine, helped by a chain, rather than normal belt? My 1.8 averaged about 37mpg until I sold it approaching 150k. Oh, and found the boot fine for a bike (circa 500litre and a nice shape) than I saw little point in a more expesive estate.
gmex619 - MemberThe Jaguar was bought as the price was right, I like the cars and enjoy the prestige of it.
It's a less good Mondeo ST. The worst ST, obviously. Prestige-tastic.
belt or chain makes very little difference to the engines reliability
what it allows is people to neglect their cars easier as it wont catastrophically fail as early.
when chains let go - boy do they let go.
In this day and age I can't understand why anyone would want a large (i.e. 2.5l plus) petrol engine if you do mileage? 22mpg is inexcusable these days unless you're a member of the Omani Royal Family.
If you don't like Ford diesels, look at something else - VAG and Volvo spring to mind (and most of Volvo's diesels are built by Audi).
And I'm sorry OP - but an X-type saloon? As a biking car? Surely an estate would have been better, the boots are microscopic on the saloons! That's why I didn't get one!!
belt or chain makes very little difference to the engines reliability
Pretty much exactly what I was going to put. The total obsession on here with chain-driven engines is mind-boggling.
I've used quite a few snow tyres last year espescially. I was working over the Holidays and right the way through winter and no matter what I bought the car didn't want too go.
It's the same in Rain though. I've tried everything from Super Soft Pirellis through too Brick-like Budgets and they all step out quite a bit at the same kind of speed.
I was generallising about my dislike of Diesels. I've driven a few Diesel cars and had problems with them all. With a range from a "R" reg Vectra through too a "63" plated Audi S3 with a few inbetween.
As for the prestige comment, Jaguar used too be a car giant in my eyes. I believe they still are, they may have bits of many other cars inside them but at the end of the day Jaguar is a Prestige brand and that's what I wanted.
Sorry but it sounds like your driving like a pillock slow down before you kill someone.
Tires dont just "step out" when driven sensibly.
Like I said. I've got a tracker box fitted too my current car that's rated at 100-100-100-25 across the board. Speed, Acceleration, Braking and time of day driving. In that order. I've got absolutely no idea what it is about the car but it doesn't behave for me. Never has and I doubt they ever will.
I understand the reason for your saying it sounds like I'm driving like a pillock but I'm really not..
[quote=trail_rat ]Sorry but it sounds like your driving like a [s]pillock [/s]TROLL slow down before you kill someone.
trail_rat - Memberit wont catastrophically fail as early.
Sounds like more reliable to me 🙂
Sounds like lazy owners to me. Itll only fail catastrophically if you ignore service intervals - but then people do that. Dropped the oil on my girlfriends dads old car - it was like lumpy water. - when was this last changed - baring in mind they had it for 8 years ...... Never been changed , just topped up. Thatll ignorance on the servicing front will explain it running like a bag of crap.
Changing a timing chains is usually very expensive . Many do have a change interval of around 100k most folk chose to ignore this. Chain slap is a lovely sound :/ - also i think not failing catastrophically was the wrong word - waterpumps tend not to get changed on chain drive engines till they have failed - despite most being easier to change so instead of munching the pistons and valves the engine just cooks - which is pretty catastrophic.
Changing a timing belt - belts and tensioner - 120 quid on my car and a water pump adds 80 quid. - fitted.
The first thing I do when I buy a car is get it serviced. Even if I've been told it's just been serviced, safe is better than sorry.
Timing Chain replacement on my Mondeos was done before I bought the cars at a cost of around £800 each. I still have the reciepts too show that.
The Jaguar is at 104k so I'm going too have the chain checked at the main dealers. Expensive yes but I'm not totally sure what the change interval is on it.
The biking question was semi-theoretical by the way. I was more concerned about peoples experiences of reliability and comfort, as a mile muncher I'll be needing both of those.