[Closed] Do you remember that gay couple who got turned away from the B&B they booked

😯 really? Never heard that one before. Did they give a reason?

There are loads of hotels, B&Bs, campsites etc that have adults only or no kids under a certain age policy.

Can't see the problem myself - I have kids, I know how much of a pain the backside they can be!!!

Well I imagine that it will have something to do with noise.

Which sort of puts me in mind that all the gay couples I know make far more noise, far more regularly, than any of the straight couples I know 😀

Can't see the problem myself - I

It's called discrimination. I'm pretty sure that what she just did was illegal.

I've wondered the same thing. If they said that they wouldn't take over 65's they'd be in the papers and in the dock before they could say "but they all smell of wee"

Now that my kids have all grown up - I fully support this policy and would like to see it more widely implemented -)

That's shocking...

You usually come over as being a bit older than 12 geetee.

Stick the names and addresses of the B&Bs in question up.

I like the sound of them 😀

I'm pretty sure that what she just did was illegal.

No it isn't. Hundreds of places operate 'no kids' policies.

You must have been living under a rock if you've never come across this before.

These folk even have it in their logo!..
http://www.warnerleisurehotels.co.uk/

Well the kids are 13 then...for the duration of the holiday. If you can get away with it. You might have to pay full price though cause it's just as much effort.

But I have seen it from the owners point of view. We once had customers leave their young child in the middle of the lawn screaming its eyes out while mother hid in the hedge...?

Can't see how this is even remotely the same as breaching the Law regarding discrimination on grounds of sexuality. Some hotels might not be suitable for kids for H+S reasons, I dunno.

Kids aren't allowed in most pubs. There might be a good reason for that, had you considered it?

It's not discrimination, it's specialisation. In the same way that my lightweight XC bike is not "allowed" to hoon down the Fort Bill track (see what I did there? Back to bikes).

It may well be as simple as not having facilties for kids, i.e. family rooms/cots/smaller beds etc etc and wanting to hire their rooms out to adults at a premium. Seems fair enough to me. Not quite in the same league as please fill out this form listing all areas of your life about which I might hold a predjudice.

You usually come over as being a bit older than 12 geetee.

I'm having a bad day so you may have a point there!

It's not discrimination at all!

There's a whole sizeable section of the travel market that is for adults/couples only.

By the way, I have two kids under 5. They're pretty well behaved (IMHO) but when they're being noisy, boisterous or just playing, why shouldn't people be allowed to choose to not be around them?

There might be a good reason for that, had you considered it?

It's possible that because they are now forced to allow gay couples to stay, they don't feel it's a appropriate to allow children to see that sort of homosexual shenanigans going on.

To be honest, I think all decent law-abiding upright citizens should avoid staying at B&Bs..........they have become veritable dens of iniquity.

I only go to hotels and restaurants which are child free. Preferably 21 and over.

😕 Where are there "child free" restaurants ? .............in grumpy old men land ?

No, cos some of us just want to eat a meal in peace without being disturbed by someone else's children. Since the smoking ban, pubs are increasingly full of families with kids. I got asked to moderate my language once. In a pub. For fear of upsetting some Little Darlings. I had to refrain from glassing someone.

Come on Ernie; even you can see how unreasonable that is?!?!

I don't want kids running about all over the place. Cos when they knock your pint over, they can't buy you another.

And don't get me started on sitting outside in a beer garden, having a well-earned ciggie, only to be asked not to by some inconsiderate sod more concerned about their delicate offspring's lungs. They came in a 4x4 ffs. 🙄

[i]'Scuse me, would you mind not smoking, only my children are downwind of your smoke?'[/i]

Yes I would actually; it's a [b]pub[/b], now take your noisy little bastards and flip off, would you? Thanks.

Bloody Racism, is what it is...

Oh dear geetee... how are the wife and kids? 😉

Kids aren't allowed in most pubs. There might be a good reason for that, had you considered it?

Nonsense. If kids were allowed in pubs I reckon we'd have far less problems with people drinking irresponsibly as adults. Making drink a right of passage is just inviting trouble.

The whole thing is just typical of the 'ked up attitude of the english towards children though. Some people need to broaden their horizons. Maybe travel a little or something.

Come on Ernie; even you can see how unreasonable that is?!?!

No I can't........I can see how "British" it is though.

And then when British kids have reached the age where they are old enough to go on holiday and/or the pub on their own, everyone is suprised because unlike their continental counterparts, they behave like deranged delinquent idiots with no understanding of the social protocols.

EDIT : as trailmonkey says.

You didn't mention that your kids are gay, did you ?

I was told in no uncertain terms that "we don't like heterosexuals in this shop" by the guy behind the shop counter and with the door bouncer looking at me menacingly. They let me buy my goods though.

So, childless adults aren't entitled to have somewhere free of other people's little brats then?

Ernie; how many pubs have you bin to abroad? Cos most I've ever bin in, there ain't bin many kids in 'em. Certainly not evenings, anyway.

Yeah, let's just have kids running round in places full of glass to knock over and smash. That's a great idea....

No I can't........I can see how "British" it is though.

I think you'll find most countries employ restrictions on children in places what sell alcohol...

Most American pubs, you're not allowed in under a certain age, often 21. Funny, cos most Americans I've encountered in pubs here have bin pretty well behaved.

Strange that, eh?

Talking of gay couples Geetee, how's your [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anyone-in-the-surrey-hills-area-recognise-this-chap ]Surrey Hills romance[/url]

coming along? Are they more tolerant of same sex kissing in The Plough in Coldharbour then? 😉

Nonsense. If kids were allowed in pubs I reckon we'd have far less problems with people drinking irresponsibly as, etc

... Maybe travel a little or something.

C'mon TM, why don't yer loosen up a bit yer miserable b'std and travel down to the [url= http://www.tuckersmaltings.com/ ]Newton Abbot beer festival[/url] ce soir? I bet the rest of the Dartmoor Posse are already well poleaxed 😉 I'm just lining my stomach with a Quorn cottage pie then I'm off to join them.

Do you remember that gay couple who got turned away from the B&B they booked

Thought you was going to say they were the same ones chucked out of the pub for snogging

Also remember a small hotel owner not allowing the mentally handicapped to stay in their premises
Easy to look down on that, but if its your livelihood and the strange behaviour/noises (which the carers admitted) alienates other guests who never book again its a bit more understandable

Strangest complaint I heard though was from someone in a wheelchair complaining about not being able to get up to the ramparts at Warwick Castle
It had a narrow enclosed winding stone stairway, what did they expect to be done? I'm all for access where possible, but commonsense needs to play a part

If kids were allowed in pubs I reckon we'd have far less problems with people drinking irresponsibly as adults.

What if I want to behave 'irresponsibly' though? I'm paying for the flipping privilege, aren't I?

I have no problem with people bringing in nice quite well-behaved kids, and keeping themselves to themselves. What I do have a problem with, is when people impose their values over others, and insist everyone else moderate their behaviour to suit them. I go to a pub to relax, not to have to worry about the wellfare of someone else's children. I don't think this is being unreasonable tbh.

Green Orange Dave now has a Titus (On-One) El Guapo, in case you're looking out.

+1 Elfinsafety

I quite like having a relaxing pint too and some of the adults are just a big a pain in the arse especially corporate types with bloody mobiles
My local allowed families in to eat until 9pm, seemed to work ok and not a bad compromise

Ernie; how many pubs have you bin to abroad?

Well I hazard to guess considerably more pubs and restaurants abroad than you. And I am fully aware that French, Spanish, Italian, etc, cultures, don't treat families with children like social pariahs.

Well I hazard to guess considerably more pubs and restaurants abroad than you.

I'm not talking about restaurants. I'm talking about pubs. So, 'most' pubs abroad allow children in at all times then do they?

Do you actually drink alcohol, Ernie? 😉

What I do have a problem with, is when people impose their values over others, and insist everyone else moderate their behaviour to suit them. I go to a pub to relax, not to have to worry about the wellfare of someone else's children. I don't think this is being unreasonable tbh.

I'm sure you're aware of the irony in your opening line there.

I too go to pubs to relax. I think there's much more chance of that happening in an atmosphere where children are present than when they're not.

I'm not talking about restaurants. I'm talking about pubs. So, 'most' pubs abroad allow children in at all times then do they?

Yeah. Try a night out in Madrid. People don't even venture out until after 10 and I'd fully expect to see families in bars after then. Same in some French cities and towns that I know too.

I'm not talking about restaurants. I'm talking about pubs. So, 'most' pubs abroad allow children in at all times then do they?

Do you actually drink alcohol, Ernie?

It is legal for a child to be accompanied by an adult in a French "pub". The British attitude to children in pubs, restaurants, and hotels, is all part of the same issue - and consequently at the root cause of the British youth delinquency problems, both home and abroad.

And no, I don't need to rely on mood altering chemicals any longer.....I prefer to face the harsh realities of life stone cold sober. I drink only when the fancy takes me - which is extremely rare.

Age discrimination won't be unlawful until later this year. When it is, it won't apply to under 18s.

The little gits. 🙂

and consequently at the root cause of the British youth delinquency problems

Oh, that simple is it? Right.

What I do have a problem with, is when people impose their values over others, and insist everyone else moderate their behaviour to suit them

aren't you insisting parents moderate their behaviour by not bringing their kids to the pub to suit your desire to not be near kids? 😆

If parents could actually keep their little brats under control, they would probably be allowed in more places.

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

Oh, that simple is it? Right.

Well the suggestion was that it was at "the root cause", there was no suggestion that it was the only cause nor that it was "that simple".

Of course if you have your own theory to explain British juvenile delinquency, with regards to going out and drinking, I would be fascinated to hear them.

Try to keep it simple though.

If parents could actually keep their little brats under control, they would probably be allowed in more places.

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits

Who can get tax credits?
Nine out of ten families with children qualify for tax credits, but you don't need to have children to claim. You may also qualify if you are working and on a low income.

Theyre perfectly entitled to say no, gay people have the law on their side sometimes.

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

A priceless bit of bigotry there mate 😀

immature ,emotional and indeed quite childish.

I've seen more growed-ups acting like this than kids...in pubs that is.

Surely we all understand there is a difference between family pubs and non family pubs?

Plenty of places I would never take my kid(s) and plenty I would.

Surely we all understand there is a difference between family pubs and non family pubs?

Is that a bit like understanding the British obsession with food for grown-ups, and "special" food for children ?

The answer is possible no.

It's not really a British 'obsession' is it? Just something that happens sometimes.

The issue is that the word 'pub' is an inadequate description for lots of different kids of establishment. Anything from seedy drinking pits to almost nightclubs to almost fancy restaurants.

Book forgetting to mention children turn up with your children and hey presto most Bnb people will not turn away money!!
Works for me but I only have one and she likes sleeping on the floor on her blow up bed 🙂

If parents could actually keep their little brats under control, they would probably be allowed in more places.

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

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I'm sure you're aware of the irony in your opening line there.

There isn't any.

I don't like people bringing kids into what is generally accepted as an 'adult' environment, and expecting everyone else to accommodate their hellspawn. Why should we? I don't got to the pub to have to watch out for little uns, I go to drink, relax and generally chill out. If young children are about, then I'm too conscious of having to be careful around them so as to not allow harm to come to them. So, I'm actually being considerate of youngsters. TBh, I've seen many parents having had a few, and not looking after their kids in a responsible manner, which then leads to other people needing to look out for the nippers. Is that right, is it?

I mean, what if the parents are blotto, right, and one of the kiddiewinks picks up a glass and attacks another child with it?

I'm sure I don't need to tell you all what could happen....

I was once turned away from a hotel in Amsterdam for NOT being gay!

'How can you tell?' I asked.

'Your clothes' the receptionist replied.

😳

That's just what they told you, BH9er...

[i]I'm sure you're aware of the irony in your opening line there.[/i]

There isn't any.

Oh but there is. Great bucketloads of it. You said........

What I do have a problem with, is when people impose their values over others

Yet your position is one of exclusion. If that's not imposition of values, I don't know what is.

I mean really, all you're saying in the post above is that you're uptight with kids and we should all tap dance around you.

Loosen up. Have a few drinks or something.

Quite possibly, whilst my rimming is quite passable I didn't score very well on the Gilbert & Sullivan round.

Ok.

Kids' nights at Fetish clubs etc then?

Discuss....

I don't like people bringing kids into what is generally accepted as an 'adult' environment, and expecting everyone else to accommodate their hellspawn. Why should we?

Why do you consider children to be "hellspawn" ? ........you grumpy miserable old git.

Other people's children don't bother me - why should they ? **** off and stay at home, if you don't like spending time with people, including children and their parents, who are not of your liking.

Maybe you're not cut out to live in a society where everyone hasn't been chosen to suit your special needs ? 💡

special needs

*s*****

Well why don't you just go and live in Spain or France or wherever if it's so much better there, eh?

All I'm asking for is some consideration from parents of young children, to respect the fact that many folk [i]sometimes[/i]* want to enjoy a child-free environment. Is that too much to ask?

*Note I said 'sometimes'. Not all the time, just sometimes. It's all I'm asking for.

Or, maybe the next time I see some woman struggling with her pram on the escalator or bus, I should just ignore her? Or not give up my seat to a pregnant woman? IE; why should I compromise just because of their lifestyle choice/needs, eh?

So, I take it you're all for children being allowed to vote, drink, smoke and gamble, then?

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

Checked mine the other day, I'll get about £500 of your tax money 😀 😀 😀

Probably blow the lot on a new pair of forks 😉

maybe the next time I see some woman struggling with her pram on the escalator or bus, I should just ignore her? Or not give up my seat to a pregnant woman?

You do all that ? .................. what a ****ing hero - I'll take back everything I said.

elfin TM has a point
re the fetish night TBH i would not take my gran to a fetish night or my kids. However you do get adult only venues for adult only fun. Why not go to that type of place rather than somehwere that may have kids

to respect the fact that many folk sometimes* want to enjoy a child-free environment. Is that too much to ask?

Why not go to that type of place rather than somehwere that may have kids

Why can't I just go to a flipping pub and be able to relax in a child-free enviroment? Why should I have to go to a Fetish club???

Anyway, you're missing the point. surely, if one type of place what sells alcohol should allow children in, then all of them should, no?

Or is it parents who are the only ones to decide which type of venue should and shouldn't allow kids?

So, relax the rules regarding pornography then? After all, sex is how children are made, so why shoon't they see it? Eh? Or even be allowed to do it? Come on, tell me why children should be excluded from anything at all in life? Driving cars? Owning guns? Come on, all you libertarians, explain why we need to have any rules at all?

I'm only talking about one kind of venue. Pubs. That's all. Not restaurants, not cafes, just pubs. Tell me why exactly I'm being sooo unreasonable?

Why can't I just go to a flipping pub and be able to relax in a child-free enviroment? Why should I have to go to a Fetish club???

Anyway, you're missing the point.

Come on, all you libertarians, explain why we need to have any rules at all?

To be honest, I think all decent law-abiding upright citizens should avoid staying at B&Bs..........they have become veritable dens of iniquity.

the B&B I stayed at in South Devon last October was also the village pub...

Someone should put a stop to this decadence and immoral self-indulgence 😐

As the parent of a 4yr old and 8 yr old i cannot believe anyone begrudges people the choice NOT to stay in a place with kids running about the place.

Just because we have chosen our path in life doesnt mean others have to join the experience

[i]There's a voice that keeps on calling me
Down the road, that's where I'll always be.
Every stop I make, I make a new friend,
Can't stay for long, just turn around and I'm gone again

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on. [/i]

Dont do that. I now have it in my head for the next 48hrs 🙁 I always choke up when i sing it

You're not welcome here because you're black.
You're not welcome here because you're gay.
You're not welcome here because your old.
You're not welcome here because you're two years old.

How is that last sentence not any more offensive than the first three (all of which are incredibly offensive)?

I believe because the parents of the 2 year olds had a choice.......

Personally I prefer to eat / drink / stay in child-free places. I have fun visiting my friends with children, but do appreciate having places to go where there aren't children as I find it more relaxing and less disruptive. That's not saying that all pubs / b&b's etc should be child-free, but I do think it's good for those of us who'd prefer to socialise / relax in places where there aren't children should be allowed to do so. I have a dog, but I don't think everywhere should be made to allow dogs - I'm perfectly happy that some people prefer to not be around them, but equally I'd be annoyed if dogs were banned from all pubs etc. Like children, it's just a question of making sure that there are both options.

The only opinion that I've got a real issue with is Tijuana Taxi's comment on people with mental disabilities being banned from a b&b. My brother has both mental and physical disabilities and I would be furious if I was ever told I couldn't stay somewhere with him cos other people might find that difficult / offensive. We are often made to feel uncomfortable / unwelcome by other people when we go out, and the kind of attitude that supports banning disabled people from places just perpetuates that level of discrimination.

i'd not actually read this before Sue brought it up:

Also remember a small hotel owner not allowing the mentally handicapped to stay in their premises
Easy to look down on that, but if its your livelihood and the strange behaviour/noises (which the carers admitted) alienates other guests who never book again its a bit more understandable

Personally I'd rather go out of business than pander to the prejudices of ignorant and narrow-minded people. Easy to say, maybe, but ultimately, you must consider the needs of [i]all[/i] your guests, not just those who don't behave 'strangely' ffs. And I'd rather not stay in a place that exercises a policy of discrimination against people with disabilities.

There are a few places where it is obvious that kids should not be. But if we got our kids more used to being part of an adult world, maybe they, and adults, and some STW posters might be a bit more grown-up?

you must consider the needs of all your guests, not just those who don't behave 'strangely' ffs. And I'd rather not stay in a place that exercises a policy of discrimination against people with disabilities.

Yeah, but what about letting kids be kids, and safe in an appropriate environment?

A pub isn't always an appropriate environment for children.

I've no problem with a few reasonably well behaved children being in a quiet pub where there's not loads of people getting drunk, but I think some parents really do think [i]any[/i] environment should be made 'appropriate' to suit their kids, which is not fair on other people.

Blimey, I agree with elf!

I struggle with seeing kids in supermarkets - completely out of control and off their faces on E number sweets, accompanied by mum more interested in her mobile.

There's a time and a place - pubs isn't one of them.

And before anyone moans, yep, I have kids although adult now, and frankly far too many parents have no idea of responsibility.

why you [or sue] think it is ok to discriminate against kids[they cant help being young or behaving like they are young]. Do they have fewer rights?

See, this is where you're going wrong; seeing people requesting certain limited places remain child free as 'discriminating' against kids, and as Ernie has done, likening this to racism, homophobia and ageism. It's nowhere near the same.

Pubs are places that mainly sell alcohol. Alcohol has the effect of impairing judgement. People with impaired judgement aren't necessarily the right people to be around small children, ergo, the pub isn't always an approriate environment for children.

As for 'abroad'; none of the late night bars I've ever bin in allow children, and I've (got) drunk in bars and clubs in Norway, Spain, France, Austria and Holland. And Wales. 🙂 I'd imagine most countries in Yerp are similar. Bars/pubs I've bin in in the USA and Australia definitely din't allow kids at any time.

I like going in the women's changing rooms. Apparently this is [i]not[/i] ok. Bloody sexists!

And before anyone moans, yep, I have kids although adult now, and frankly far too many parents have no idea of responsibility.

Well yes of course, that's the problem - the attitude of parents towards their children in our society.

Why do you think young Brits abroad are such a problem ?

Why do you think young Brits abroad are such a problem ?

Are they, any more than young people from other nations?

I'm sure there's much more to it, if this is indeed the case, than the fact that they couldn't go to pubs with their parents when they were 6 years old or less......

Get a grip Ernie ffs. 🙄