[Closed] Do you remember that gay couple who got turned away from the B&B they booked

Surely we all understand there is a difference between family pubs and non family pubs?

Is that a bit like understanding the British obsession with food for grown-ups, and "special" food for children ?

The answer is possible no.

It's not really a British 'obsession' is it? Just something that happens sometimes.

The issue is that the word 'pub' is an inadequate description for lots of different kids of establishment. Anything from seedy drinking pits to almost nightclubs to almost fancy restaurants.

Book forgetting to mention children turn up with your children and hey presto most Bnb people will not turn away money!!
Works for me but I only have one and she likes sleeping on the floor on her blow up bed 🙂

If parents could actually keep their little brats under control, they would probably be allowed in more places.

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

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I'm sure you're aware of the irony in your opening line there.

There isn't any.

I don't like people bringing kids into what is generally accepted as an 'adult' environment, and expecting everyone else to accommodate their hellspawn. Why should we? I don't got to the pub to have to watch out for little uns, I go to drink, relax and generally chill out. If young children are about, then I'm too conscious of having to be careful around them so as to not allow harm to come to them. So, I'm actually being considerate of youngsters. TBh, I've seen many parents having had a few, and not looking after their kids in a responsible manner, which then leads to other people needing to look out for the nippers. Is that right, is it?

I mean, what if the parents are blotto, right, and one of the kiddiewinks picks up a glass and attacks another child with it?

I'm sure I don't need to tell you all what could happen....

I was once turned away from a hotel in Amsterdam for NOT being gay!

'How can you tell?' I asked.

'Your clothes' the receptionist replied.

😳

That's just what they told you, BH9er...

[i]I'm sure you're aware of the irony in your opening line there.[/i]

There isn't any.

Oh but there is. Great bucketloads of it. You said........

What I do have a problem with, is when people impose their values over others

Yet your position is one of exclusion. If that's not imposition of values, I don't know what is.

I mean really, all you're saying in the post above is that you're uptight with kids and we should all tap dance around you.

Loosen up. Have a few drinks or something.

Quite possibly, whilst my rimming is quite passable I didn't score very well on the Gilbert & Sullivan round.

Ok.

Kids' nights at Fetish clubs etc then?

Discuss....

I don't like people bringing kids into what is generally accepted as an 'adult' environment, and expecting everyone else to accommodate their hellspawn. Why should we?

Why do you consider children to be "hellspawn" ? ........you grumpy miserable old git.

Other people's children don't bother me - why should they ? **** off and stay at home, if you don't like spending time with people, including children and their parents, who are not of your liking.

Maybe you're not cut out to live in a society where everyone hasn't been chosen to suit your special needs ? 💡

special needs

*s*****

Well why don't you just go and live in Spain or France or wherever if it's so much better there, eh?

All I'm asking for is some consideration from parents of young children, to respect the fact that many folk [i]sometimes[/i]* want to enjoy a child-free environment. Is that too much to ask?

*Note I said 'sometimes'. Not all the time, just sometimes. It's all I'm asking for.

Or, maybe the next time I see some woman struggling with her pram on the escalator or bus, I should just ignore her? Or not give up my seat to a pregnant woman? IE; why should I compromise just because of their lifestyle choice/needs, eh?

So, I take it you're all for children being allowed to vote, drink, smoke and gamble, then?

I also wonder if they complain about discrimination when they are claiming tax credits.

Checked mine the other day, I'll get about £500 of your tax money 😀 😀 😀

Probably blow the lot on a new pair of forks 😉

maybe the next time I see some woman struggling with her pram on the escalator or bus, I should just ignore her? Or not give up my seat to a pregnant woman?

You do all that ? .................. what a ****ing hero - I'll take back everything I said.

elfin TM has a point
re the fetish night TBH i would not take my gran to a fetish night or my kids. However you do get adult only venues for adult only fun. Why not go to that type of place rather than somehwere that may have kids

to respect the fact that many folk sometimes* want to enjoy a child-free environment. Is that too much to ask?

Why not go to that type of place rather than somehwere that may have kids

Why can't I just go to a flipping pub and be able to relax in a child-free enviroment? Why should I have to go to a Fetish club???

Anyway, you're missing the point. surely, if one type of place what sells alcohol should allow children in, then all of them should, no?

Or is it parents who are the only ones to decide which type of venue should and shouldn't allow kids?

So, relax the rules regarding pornography then? After all, sex is how children are made, so why shoon't they see it? Eh? Or even be allowed to do it? Come on, tell me why children should be excluded from anything at all in life? Driving cars? Owning guns? Come on, all you libertarians, explain why we need to have any rules at all?

I'm only talking about one kind of venue. Pubs. That's all. Not restaurants, not cafes, just pubs. Tell me why exactly I'm being sooo unreasonable?

Why can't I just go to a flipping pub and be able to relax in a child-free enviroment? Why should I have to go to a Fetish club???

Anyway, you're missing the point.

Come on, all you libertarians, explain why we need to have any rules at all?

To be honest, I think all decent law-abiding upright citizens should avoid staying at B&Bs..........they have become veritable dens of iniquity.

the B&B I stayed at in South Devon last October was also the village pub...

Someone should put a stop to this decadence and immoral self-indulgence 😐

As the parent of a 4yr old and 8 yr old i cannot believe anyone begrudges people the choice NOT to stay in a place with kids running about the place.

Just because we have chosen our path in life doesnt mean others have to join the experience

[i]There's a voice that keeps on calling me
Down the road, that's where I'll always be.
Every stop I make, I make a new friend,
Can't stay for long, just turn around and I'm gone again

Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on. [/i]

Dont do that. I now have it in my head for the next 48hrs 🙁 I always choke up when i sing it

You're not welcome here because you're black.
You're not welcome here because you're gay.
You're not welcome here because your old.
You're not welcome here because you're two years old.

How is that last sentence not any more offensive than the first three (all of which are incredibly offensive)?

I believe because the parents of the 2 year olds had a choice.......

Personally I prefer to eat / drink / stay in child-free places. I have fun visiting my friends with children, but do appreciate having places to go where there aren't children as I find it more relaxing and less disruptive. That's not saying that all pubs / b&b's etc should be child-free, but I do think it's good for those of us who'd prefer to socialise / relax in places where there aren't children should be allowed to do so. I have a dog, but I don't think everywhere should be made to allow dogs - I'm perfectly happy that some people prefer to not be around them, but equally I'd be annoyed if dogs were banned from all pubs etc. Like children, it's just a question of making sure that there are both options.

The only opinion that I've got a real issue with is Tijuana Taxi's comment on people with mental disabilities being banned from a b&b. My brother has both mental and physical disabilities and I would be furious if I was ever told I couldn't stay somewhere with him cos other people might find that difficult / offensive. We are often made to feel uncomfortable / unwelcome by other people when we go out, and the kind of attitude that supports banning disabled people from places just perpetuates that level of discrimination.

i'd not actually read this before Sue brought it up:

Also remember a small hotel owner not allowing the mentally handicapped to stay in their premises
Easy to look down on that, but if its your livelihood and the strange behaviour/noises (which the carers admitted) alienates other guests who never book again its a bit more understandable

Personally I'd rather go out of business than pander to the prejudices of ignorant and narrow-minded people. Easy to say, maybe, but ultimately, you must consider the needs of [i]all[/i] your guests, not just those who don't behave 'strangely' ffs. And I'd rather not stay in a place that exercises a policy of discrimination against people with disabilities.

There are a few places where it is obvious that kids should not be. But if we got our kids more used to being part of an adult world, maybe they, and adults, and some STW posters might be a bit more grown-up?

you must consider the needs of all your guests, not just those who don't behave 'strangely' ffs. And I'd rather not stay in a place that exercises a policy of discrimination against people with disabilities.

Yeah, but what about letting kids be kids, and safe in an appropriate environment?

A pub isn't always an appropriate environment for children.

I've no problem with a few reasonably well behaved children being in a quiet pub where there's not loads of people getting drunk, but I think some parents really do think [i]any[/i] environment should be made 'appropriate' to suit their kids, which is not fair on other people.

Blimey, I agree with elf!

I struggle with seeing kids in supermarkets - completely out of control and off their faces on E number sweets, accompanied by mum more interested in her mobile.

There's a time and a place - pubs isn't one of them.

And before anyone moans, yep, I have kids although adult now, and frankly far too many parents have no idea of responsibility.

why you [or sue] think it is ok to discriminate against kids[they cant help being young or behaving like they are young]. Do they have fewer rights?

See, this is where you're going wrong; seeing people requesting certain limited places remain child free as 'discriminating' against kids, and as Ernie has done, likening this to racism, homophobia and ageism. It's nowhere near the same.

Pubs are places that mainly sell alcohol. Alcohol has the effect of impairing judgement. People with impaired judgement aren't necessarily the right people to be around small children, ergo, the pub isn't always an approriate environment for children.

As for 'abroad'; none of the late night bars I've ever bin in allow children, and I've (got) drunk in bars and clubs in Norway, Spain, France, Austria and Holland. And Wales. 🙂 I'd imagine most countries in Yerp are similar. Bars/pubs I've bin in in the USA and Australia definitely din't allow kids at any time.

I like going in the women's changing rooms. Apparently this is [i]not[/i] ok. Bloody sexists!

And before anyone moans, yep, I have kids although adult now, and frankly far too many parents have no idea of responsibility.

Well yes of course, that's the problem - the attitude of parents towards their children in our society.

Why do you think young Brits abroad are such a problem ?

Why do you think young Brits abroad are such a problem ?

Are they, any more than young people from other nations?

I'm sure there's much more to it, if this is indeed the case, than the fact that they couldn't go to pubs with their parents when they were 6 years old or less......

Get a grip Ernie ffs. 🙄

Well i went to a restaurant with loads of kids in the other day, up down up down a few crys here and there and a few toilet and food tantrums and was generally overall not relaxing or enjoyable experience

howver if i was in a non child friendly pub with some crazy strong willed family i would still respect their presence as they have as much right to be their as you or me, parents need to get out aswell.. doesnt mean im going to enjoy it or they are are going to enjoy it but either party can always leave or deal with it

one place i cant bare kids is on planes i swear children on planes must cause more incidents on planes that any terrorist!

as for gays, dont expect any special treatment

treat people how you would yours to be treated

yes ok I see when you choose who to ban it is not the same as banning other people or groups you don't mind being there...that clears that up 😆

CG / Elfin I see your point but as I mentioned above many pubs/restaurants don't let in kids go to one of them rather than moan about the ones that let kids in.

In Ireland folk go out drinking with their families . Would people behave like they do in our town centres with their families in tow or would it moderate behaviour ?
Cant take your kids shopping ...god forbid I should teach them to spot marketing and crappy food,to look at the prices and check the ingredients of the stuff they put inside them what am I thinking off.

In Ireland folk go out drinking with their families .

Bollocks generalisation there Junkyard. Sorry, utter bollocks.

Junkyard - a valid question, and before posting I did give serious thought as to whether I was showing a similar attitude in relation to children. That was why I gave the example of my dog - it's not that dogs are discriminated against, nor are children - there is a big difference between discrimination (which is a deep seated and pervasive negative attitude towards a certain group of people), and a preference to sometimes have different spaces available to you.

It is only really if you are someone who is discriminated against, or have a close family member who is discrimated against that you truely realise the difference. I have spent all my life seeing the negative reaction that my brother gets, that ranges from people not wanting to sit next to him on the bus, to being asked to leave the church cafe where he worked as a volunteer as customers objected to being served by him as his compromised immune system means that he often has a high number of warts on his hands (and no, that's not contageous!). No-one with non-disabled children have to face this level of continuous, day to day discrimination. And it us why I do think there is a difference between 'discrimination' and child or dog-free places.

I punched a kid in a high chair spark out in Wetherspoons earlier. Was looking at my pint.

Are they, any more than young people from other nations?

Get a grip Ernie ffs.

Now you're entering the realms of fantasy land. Are you really suggesting that young Brits on holiday in Spain behave no different to young Spaniards on holiday in the UK ?

It's hardly surprising that the problem appears to be insurmountable with people living in complete denial of its existence. And yes, it's down to attitude to alcohol as well as learnt social etiquette/protocols.

sue i worked with learning difficulties for years and i have been asked to leave [ they speak to the carer and not the person]. I have then done direct action and turned up en masse with 30 + folk to make a point. Given how some of the people I worked with acted [ no idea re your brother obviously] I can see why it made some customers uneasy. My attitude was tough shit as it is to you now except of course you can go to a pub that does not allow kids in anyway.
I dont think comparing my kids to a dog will help you win me over 😉
EDIT DD sorry missed your post Happy to stand corrected by your greater knowledge - all the Irish I know have not lived there for a long time

So ... asking a silly question ... do 'child-friendly' pubs and restaurants have a sign on the door saying that?

Ooops wrong thread.

How are you lot actually arguing about this? It seems like you all deep down agree.

What time are you riding tomorrow C_G?

Well yes of course, that's the problem - the attitude of parents towards their children in our society.

Ernie - far too many parents cba'ed with their kids, cos it's too much like hard work. It's easier to ignore them.