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whilst i respect a persons beliefs, the 'christian scientist' who believes that dinosaurs walked the earth with 'Adam' scared me a little
Creationism?
Quite interesting, actually.
I've never believed in carbon dating stuff. I reckon the 'scientists' just make it up...
His arrogance in assuming that it was only his specific "faith" that gave him a right to have an interest in how the world works, as "god" apparently wanted him to know so he could understand all around him,suggesting that those with a lack of "faith" don't really have the right motivation, was annoying.
Anyway, there is no reason to respect others beliefs. Respect them as human beings yes, but their beliefs? nfw.
If you respect someone as a Human being, then you should also respect their right to their belief.
...no matter how barking mad it is.
To each their own, eh?
then you should also respect [b]their right[/b] to their belief.
Yeah, that's easy. I respect [b]their right to holding silly notions[/b], but I'm under no obligation to respect whatever fantasies they have created or have been given. Simple really.
a force for bad....
i actually lose a little a little respect for people upon finding out they 'believe'.
believe in yourself and those around you, not a book.
the 'christian scientist' who believes that dinosaurs walked the earth with 'Adam' scared me a little
well, presumably any god* worth its salt could capriciously create a plausible fossil record ?
To my mind, fossils are fascinating (and the subject of my daughter's PhD), but they don't provide any useful guidance on how to live our lives now. I wonder what the creatures who dig up our bones in 100,000,000 years will think about us ?
* or Slartybardfast
To my mind, fossils are fascinating (and the subject of my daughter's PhD), but they don't provide any useful guidance on how to live our lives now.
Should they?
the guy denied the fossil record though
didn't he do the fjords and got an award?
RudeBoy
Creationism?Quite interesting, actually.
I've never believed in carbon dating stuff. I reckon the 'scientists' just make it up...
Do you believe in DNA? If you had reason to suspect you were illigitimate how would you go about proving it? Do you believe in gravity? How do you decide which sciences to believe and which to be suspicious of? Is it exhaustive research and study or paranoia?
the 'christian scientist' who believes that dinosaurs walked the earth with 'Adam' scared me a little
Why is it scary ?
I find people who find other peoples beliefs "scary" erm ....... well [i]scary[/i]
Fear of the unknown is the bases of all prejudice. And a powerful and dangerous emotion.
Fear of the unknown is the bases of all prejudice.
No it's not. I know a snake may bite me, a shark may devour me etc...it's not a fear of the "unknown" it's a learning process based on past experiences, and when someone expresses fear of religious fundamentalism being in a position of power over them (which you could extrapolate that this "academic" could be through the acceptance and teaching of his of his "beliefs" in schools, or the ostraciscation from positions of power of those who do not share the same delusions ) then that would be based on either personal recollections of a similar situation, or cultural "rememberings" of just that situation. Which is all too common.
Bored already, didn't we have this last week?
To each their own would be nice. The problem is the vast majority of those with religious beliefs have no problem aiming vicious criticism at those who
best chance that they could be wrong.
Where as the average atheist accepts that though there is no proof for god or any of the other nonsense associated with the belief in such superstitious rubbish, that at some far and distant and unlikely point in time they could be proven wrong. After all, I fully believe in evolution, even though it is still only a theory. It is just the best theory that fits the facts.
And the facts as far as I can see them, prove that THERE IS NO GOD YOU MUMBLING SIMPLE MINDED IDIOT.............
And relax
Should they?
no, but my remark was addressed to the discussion of fossils in relation to religion
Do you believe in gravity? How do you decide which sciences to believe and which to be suspicious of?
simple! Doubt [b]everthing[/b]! To date my scepticism about gravity has failed to allow me to fly, but I live in hopes :o)
The problem is the vast majority of those with religious beliefs have no problem aiming vicious criticism...
THERE IS NO GOD YOU MUMBLING SIMPLE MINDED IDIOT.............
lol
No it's not.
Yes it is.
Greater understanding leads to more tolerance and less prejudice.
i believe the scientist with the hadron colider had the best line
if science makes a new discovery that changes what we already know, we embrace the proof and move on, whereas a religion would just deny it
scary as the guy was so single minded and was clearly teaching children at the museum/exhibit his one blinkered view of the universe, something i think is a recipe for disaster
Far more dangerous is the green dogma that passes for environmental science.
With religion we don't have to participate, whereas the green dogma is invading our life.
Greater understanding leads to more tolerance and less prejudice.
Of what? an individuals personal creations or cultural delusions? I'm all for tolerating this sort of behaviour as long as it does not interfere with anybody else, but really...don't suggest that I should respect what every individual may dredge up from their inner mind to explain the world around us.
ps, my apologies for the re-edit back up a bit.
Far more dangerous is the green dogma that passes for environmental science.
What part of it, and why? I'm interested, seriously.
"[i]i actually lose a little a little respect for people upon finding out they 'believe'[/i]"
Of course, not allowed 'beliefs' are we. If you can't touch it, it doesn't exist.
By the way that anti-christianity threads usually go on to reach 100+ posts, mainly consisting of ridicule, I do sometimes wonder why people on here see it as such a threat. Markedly different to an anti-islam thread which will have people crawling out of the woodwork to defend peoples right to their own beliefs.
Of what?
Of the fact there is nothing to fear.
WTF did the OP talk about being a 'little scared' about this guy's nonsense beliefs ? They don't frighten me, and nor does anyone else's beliefs of how the world was created.
I do sometimes wonder why people on here see it as such a threat
Well, Christianity has quite a threatening past, Crusades, Inquisition, burning at stakes etc etc. Currently many Christians believe in The Rapture, which leads to their support of Israel in hastening the emergence of the Antichrist 🙁
They don't frighten me
Me neither to be honest, although I would feel [b]concern[/b] when unsupported ideas of that nature gain some sort of respectability, in say our education system. And that is not too hard to imagine.
gain some sort of respectability, in say our education system. And that is not too hard to imagine.
Well it is for me.
But then I don't live in the United States.
"[i]Currently many Christians believe in The Rapture, which leads to their support of Israel in hastening the emergence of the Antichrist[/i]"
Define 'many'.
Define 'many'.
'Many' generally means 'some', when used to describe what 'many' Christians believe/say/do 🙂
alwyn - Member
Bored already, didn't we have this last week?
Yeah, but I think it's a weekly fixture.
Fancy a game of STW Forum Scrabble, instead?
[i]simple! Doubt everthing! To date my scepticism about gravity has failed to allow me to fly, but I live in hopes :o) [/i]
try taller buildings. 😉
Lol @ Samuri!
Well it is for me.
Fair enough, but would you agree that the UK, esp it's education system and some rather important policy makers have expressed publicly more interest in religious sects (eg Opus Dei)in recent years than you feel comfortable with? And let's not go into the renewed vigour for "faith schools".
Fancy a game of STW Forum Scrabble, instead?
Yeah, cos last time innit, you gave up and went to bed 😉
I'm hugely unbothered about other people's religious beliefs sodafarls.
I'm much more bothered with what the government is up to.
try taller buildings.
If I manage sufficient scepticism I won't need them 🙂
I took my daughter to the Natural HIstory Museum the other weekend. Would it be the temple of the Great Satan to a Creationist?
The Darwin exhibition was completely sold out for both days so we went and looked at the dinosaurs (which to be honest is what my daughter wanted to see anyway).
That reminds me also; a mate's ex works in the Nat Hist, I'll have to see if I can get tickets to Darwin and WPOTY.
Sooty; if I can get any spares, I'll let you know.
Love the Nat Hist. Meant to go for the last few weeks, but been too busy. Deffo gonna try this week, though.
RB - Did you know the NHM is open to about 2200 now days on certain days?
I'm hugely unbothered about other people's religious beliefs sodafarls.I'm much more bothered with what the government is up to.
Yeah me too...but what? what was that? There's a lurking undercurrent of rather [b]pungent[/b] religious beliefing going on within several members of the current govt? Should I turn a blind eye and pretend it's not true? after all, they're just high ranking members of the Govt.
Glad to see the NHM has the same opening hours every day of the week
However their Tring offshoot opens later on Sunday. Why Sunday? (Strokes atheistic chin)
And they both close over the Midwinter Festival - but then we all do, don't we?
Coyote - Member
"i actually lose a little a little respect for people upon finding out they 'believe'"
Of course, not allowed 'beliefs' are we. If you can't touch it, it doesn't exist.
By the way that anti-christianity threads usually go on to reach 100+ posts, mainly consisting of ridicule, I do sometimes wonder why people on here see it as such a threat. Markedly different to an anti-islam thread which will have people crawling out of the woodwork to defend peoples right to their own beliefs."
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i'd throw muslims, jews and any other religion based on scripture, son's of god and prophets into the pot too.
why is it that the three main religions all managed to arise within a small area of the earths vast surface? were other peoples not worthy? why should "god" choose the people in this area?
it's all bollocks really.
why is it that the three main religions all managed to arise within a small area of the earths vast surface? were other peoples not worthy? why should "god" choose the people in this area?
alpin... you do realise that it's probably because they all use basically the same text and just interpret it in different ways...
And I am sure the Hindu's might have something to say about being excluded from the 3 main religions... there are a few more of them than Jews, and in fact, according to wiki Judaism is only number 6 in the world religion standings...
yeah i do realise that.....why couldn't they just share and include everyone at the start (as religions claim they do) and save us all from 1000+ yrs of fighting?
might be #6 but causes a hell of a lot of problems for its ranking.... punching above its weight.
best evidence for not believing in a religion is that no evidence exists....
i read a book once, must have been 5 or 6 about three bears and some girl who ate their porridge.... must be true, it was in a book.
it's all bollocks really
sodafarls -
"Far more dangerous is the green dogma that passes for environmental science."
What part of it, and why? I'm interested, seriously.
How about the over 200 Australians burnt to death in the recent bushfires?
Epicyclo - what the point are you trying to make? Is it the the tree hugging hippies are spouting shite or that the concrete loving cronies are burying their heads in the sand?
well, presumably any god* worth its salt could capriciously create a plausible fossil record ?
That would hardly be infinitely merciful tho, would it? More like a mischievous joke at our expense. So not really compatible with the Christian idea of God.
Far more dangerous is the green dogma that passes for environmental science
Dangerous why? Cos we might end up in the terrifying state of polluting less and having a cleaner environment? God forbid.
save us all from 1000+ yrs of fighting?
Religion doesn't cause wars. It's usually just a pretext for attacking people that you think you don't like because they're not in your gang. Which makes some of these posts nicely ironic.
I think Epicyclo can only be referring to the reluctance of agencies to regularly burn off the build up of undergrowth that makes out of control fires so dangerous, as Aboriginals have done so for quite a long time. Arguments between some green groups and forestry agencies as to the impact of this have been going on for a while now. It's got little to do with climate change though, and less to do with "God".
sodafarls -
I think Epicyclo can only be referring to the reluctance of agencies to regularly burn off the build up of undergrowth that makes out of control fires so dangerous, as Aboriginals have done so for quite a long time....It's got little to do with climate change though, and less to do with "God".
Exactly, it's green dogma rather than science., ie it is a faith belief rather than based on hard science. To me that equals religion. I don't understand the whys and wherefores, because maintaining the system used by the the Aborigines made more sense to me.
The fires that have just occurred have destroyed huge swathes of bushland and all the creatures in it including over 200 humans.
I have to agree with Gus. Not religious myself, but don't have an issue with individuals practicing their religion.
I felt like Alpin once, that those having faith must be lacking something mentally and deserved my scorn. Then a friend of mine turned back to the Church. For the first few months I freely admit that I lost a bit of respect for them, felt they were being controlled etc. But I started to see subtle changes in attitude, hear about all the volunteer work they were doing for the community and the wider world. It's clear to me that they are now a better person thanks in part to their faith. I actually felt a bit ashamed about my initial feelings. True, lots of religious people are nasty pieces of work, but that's true of any subset of society.
Really what I'm trying to say is that making a negative judgement about someone based on their faith says more about you than it does about them.
That would hardly be infinitely merciful tho, would it? More like a mischievous joke at our expense. So not really compatible with the Christian idea of God.
but all the suffering in the world IS compatible ? You can believe in gods, but that does not constrain what they do. The fossils might be a test of faith. Not that I care.
it's green dogma rather than science., ie it is a faith belief rather than based on hard science. To me that equals religion. I don't understand the whys and wherefores, because maintaining the system used by the the Aborigines made more sense to me.
I would agree.
If a person derives comfort and a sense of purpose in their life from religious belief, then that's fine by me. The problem comes if they believe that their faith represents the only 'truth'out there & that everyone else should therefore fall into line...
I spose one of the good things about religion, is that it gives the Atheists something interesting to talk about...
And agnostics..and "religious types", eh? 😆
I tend to give religion a wide berth. It all worries me slightly.