[Closed] Chav wins.

bonkers.

i've been watching a documentary about how bad violent crime is, and it's staggering. some serious changes needed in that place before it implodes

I see a president who has been re-elected, for his fourth term, with a clear majority in an election with an eighty odd percent turn out, using the income from his countries natural resources to fund huge public health, education and housing programmes to the benefit of the people rather than multinational corporations.
I wish we had someone like him here.

wot he said

I wish we had someone like him here.

sweepy - including the control over the media and judiciary and the erosion of human rights? Lovely report here -> http://www.hrw.org/reports/2012/07/17/tightening-grip-0

I'd have more faith in him if he'd been elected in a country with a free, independent media.

http://cpj.org/reports/2012/08/after-years-of-assault-venezuelas-independent-pres.php

Smashing windows AND holding onto the leadership of a country?

I tell you, these Chavs get a bad press, as they seem a very industrious people.

I see a president who has been re-elected, for his fourth term, with a clear majority in an election with an eighty odd percent turn out, using the income from his countries natural resources to fund huge public health, education and housing programmes to the benefit of the people rather than multinational corporations.
I wish we had someone like him here.

+1

Was listening to something the other day that stated he's been ostracized by the international community because he refuses to sell off the countries natural resources to the highest foreign bidders. Because he won't toe the line, he's demonised and vilified by the international media and political machines.

Not excusing authoritarianism but can you imagine what the US will have been doing to undermine/discredit/oust him, given their previous history with democratically elected leftists in S America? Enough to make anyone fairly paranoid I would have thought.

At least the majority of his country voted for him so he was democratically elected - better than we can say for our leader.
Althought the violence in most S and C American states is horrendous, the most scary part of the world I have travelled, I guess most of that is down to the white powder produced there?

grum - paranoid, yes. being as naughty as el presidente is, no.

Because he won't toe the line, he's demonised and vilified by the international media and political machines.

I think he's been pretty fair to a media that backed a military coup against him.

grum - paranoid, yes. being as naughty as el presidente is, no.

My point is though, would it be that unlikely that large parts of the 'free' press and judiciary in Venezuela were in fact paid stooges of the US/CIA/big business, working to undermine him? A quick glance at S America's recent history suggests it wouldn't.

And if so, how should he respond?

grum - I believe the conspiracy thread is that way ---->

more seriously, it's not beyond the realms of possibility but the fact that Human Rights Watch, Reporters without Borders etc seem to be spending their time worrying about the fact he's doing stuff like throwing judges who follow the UN guides on human rights into jail without trial calling for 30-year sentences more than worrying that the US is controlling those bodies, my guess is he's the biggest of the bad guys.

I don't believe the way to fix a possibility of corruption is with definite corruption.

my guess is he's the biggest of the bad guys.

Nonetheless, he is acting with a mandate from the people of his country. Which is more than can be said for David Cameron.

grum - I believe the conspiracy thread is that way ---->

It's not really a conspiracy theory though is it. Again, look up what America does to leftist governments in S America (including democratically elected ones). Also I believe the US backed military coup against Chavez is a matter of historical record.

my guess is he's the biggest of the bad guys.

And you wouldn't be in any way influenced by a massive US-orchestrated smear campaign against him?

atlaz - Member

Lovely report here -> http://www.hrw.org/reports/2012/07/17/tightening-grip-0

Human Rights Watch has a less than an unbiased attitude towards Latin America, it seemed hugely relaxed when a pro-US coup overthrew the democratically elected president of Honduras 3 years ago.

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At least the majority of his country voted for him so he was democratically elected - better than we can say for our leader.

You would struggle to find a world leader anywhere who has won more elections than Chavez, certainly none in the Americas.

And former US President Jimmy Carter, who has won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in connection with monitoring democracy and human rights, has said :

[i]"Of the 92 elections that we’ve monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."[/i]

BTW that includes better than the US election process, according to Jimmy Carter.

BTW that includes better than the [s]US[/s] Florida election process,

FTFY

The situation for average people in the UK is getting worse and the situation in Venezuela is improving.

That about tells me all I need to know!

Hugo Chavez is using the exact same style of socialism that the Jamahiriya used in Libya, before we bombed them into the global recession and the world banking system!

No doubt just like Libya it will be a great success, is the media still telling you to bail out the banks? good luck with that whole it must be true it's on TV thingamy bob!

There are daily flights. Bye!

There are daily flights.

I'd imagine they'll still have planes when we're deep into Mad Max times.

I was looking for the Venezeula/US Sharks/Jets sketch - but this'll do for now [url=

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