[Closed] Casual racists

If people still think its ok to use that term in any context there's not much that this thread can achieve anymore.

If you're going to use a term that may offend people, why continue using it?

Unless you don't care about offending people.

I've just remembered a mate at school whose nickname was Kong. Huge strong as an ox Ghanaian lad, there's no way anyone meant that as a term to offend him as he could and would batter the crap out of all of us if he wanted to (it was already his nickname when I joined the school). Quite embarrassing now though.

Strangely or not as we got older the name seemed to fizzle out and by the time we were 13/14 he just used to get referred to by his surname (as most of us did).

If you're going to use a term that may offend people, why continue using it?
Unless you don't care about offending people.

I'm not particularly defending the chinky word, but when I have used it I can honestly say it was said without any intent to offend. I probably won't use it again, no real loss.

If you're going to use a term that may offend people, why continue using it?

Unless you don't care about offending people.

Noone's suggesting you spend your life walking on eggshells. (Another PC-gone-mad brigade canard is paraded) As posters periodically say in this thread, I can't believe some people don't get it. Is it [i]really[/i] that taxing to consider the words you use when referring to people?

Clearly that is the case DD

Clearly 😐 PM!

🙂

Hoisted by his own canard...

Noone's suggesting you spend your life walking on eggshells. (Another PC-gone-mad brigade canard is paraded) As posters periodically say in this thread, I can't believe some people don't get it. [B]Is it really that taxing to consider the words you use when referring to people?[/b]

Well clearly it is.

As people have already said.

One person told "coloured" was offensive and the person preferred "black"
Another person told "coloured" was preferred

So even when people are trying to do the right thing and take opinions on board, it's not always as simple as you want to make it sound ?

One person told "coloured" was offensive and the person preferred "black"
Another person told "coloured" was preferred

So even when people are trying to do the right thing and take opinions on board, it's not always as simple as you want to make it sound ?

Might one assume that a better idea would be to find some other way of identifying the person in question? Might one assume that neither coloured nor black are acceptable?
Or is this too obvious?

So it's now considered racist even to make to reference a persons ethnicity ?!

Also neither of the people in question found them [b]both[/b] unacceptable

So that's not the answer is it ?

So it's now considered racist even to make reference a persons ethnicity ?!

Well you did say.....

Might one assume that a better idea would be to find some other way of identifying the person in question

I presumed by that, you meant that its not a good idea to reference the persons ethnicity.

Maybe I read it wrong.

So even when people are trying to do the right thing and take opinions on board, it's not always as simple as you want to make it sound ?

You can imply whatever you want for the sake of argument, but clearly it's not simple at all...of course, I didn't say it was "simple", but let's just forget that for now.

However, it seems rather taxing for some people, and that level of difficulty is relative, and can be reduced with enlightenment. I find that a little exasperating, but not at all surprising.

I presumed by that, you meant that its not a good idea to reference the persons ethnicity.

You can call me "that whitish/greyish fella" during the winter and "that magnolia fella" if I've had a bit of sun by August. 🙂

I've been in Scotland for a few years now, can I be 'translucent'?

One person told "coloured" was offensive and the person preferred "black"
Another person told "coloured" was preferred
So even when people are trying to do the right thing and take opinions on board, it's not always as simple as you want to make it sound ?

You could just do your best to be sensitive and accept that sometimes people might still not be 100% happy.

Rather than going 'oh well if its not completely clear cut in every possible situation then let's not even bother trying to be considerate', as some seem to be implying.

you've already stated how confused you are in selecting the correct term

Well, I highlighted how two other people have been told two different and conflicting things are offensive and acceptable.

Neither of the people in question were being racist, and both were trying to use the accepted term and not cause offence.

Are they to be classed as "Casual Racists" ?

You could just do your best to be sensitive and accept that sometimes people might still not be 100% happy.

Rather than going 'oh well if its not completely clear cut in every possible situation then let's not even bother trying to be considerate', [b]as some seem to be implying.[/b]

Not what I was implying.

Not in the slightest.

Just so we are clear.

Some seem very keen to say 'ooh they can't even make their minds up can they' and use that as an excuse not to bother trying to be considerate. Fair enough if that's not what you mean, but it's a prevalent attitude.

It's only as hard as you make it IMO.

So that's why the forum was so quiet today - everyone's on here.

Anyway, I struggle with long sentences but it's not hard. Just don't say chinky, **** etc. Easy. If I can manage it, so you can you.

It looks like it's more difficult to be part of the PC-gone-mad-brigade than to be part of the hand-wringing professionally offended brigade.

Some seem very keen to say 'ooh they can't even make their minds up can they' and use that as an excuse not to bother trying to be considerate. Fair enough if that's not what you mean, but it's a prevalent attitude.

Some might think that, but its not what I was saying. Not at all.

I was simply saying that its not as simple as some people have been making it out to be.

As was highlighted by two people who were trying to say the right thing, but still getting it wrong.

Despite thinking about what they were saying, and thinking about other people perception of their words.

So I was replying to :

Is it really that taxing to consider the words you use when referring to people?

And no, it's not taxing in the least to do that.

But it doesn't mean you won't be branded a "casual racist" if you accidentally get it wrong.

Are they to be classed as "Casual Racists" ?

I find that deeply offensive DD

I used to work with a guy who had a poster up in the office along the lines of

You go pink in the sun
White in the winter
green when you're sick
red when you're embarrassed
blue when you're cold
and you've got the nerve to call me coloured...

But it doesn't mean you won't be branded a "casual racist" if you accidentally get it wrong.

I'm struggling to understand you too, tbh. (Maybe it's a bit taxing for me 🙂 )

In general, I'd say that people "getting it wrong" doesn't happen that often does it? And if they do, well, they can apologise and learn from it can't they?

DD, getting it wrong accidentally shouldn't be an issue no.

However.....

Are they casual racists? Not for me to say, but if they can't see past the colour of someones skin I have to wonder what preconceived ideas are running rampant through their mind with nothing to slow them down.
I'll tell you what, I'll continue judging people by what they say and how they behave and you do your thing.

I've read all of the posts in this thread, and I wish I hadn't tbh

In summary, it really is very simple. And I've seen nothing to suggest it isn't.

Am a OOOOOOT

I'll continue to use it yes as I said many pages back in my experience no one has taken offence in calling some food a name. Find it odd that they do anyway just grabbed me itai must got.

Glitchy arse.

Is this still going, time to put the argument to bed... 🙂
[url=

Patridge and the use of Chinky[/url]

Example in the OP is not a good one, Chinky for a chinese takeaway is refering to the food and has no racist connotation wheras words like **** are flat out insulting and are meant to offend

[img] ?w=450[/img]

So people have been told that a certain term is offensive to certain people but they refuse to stop using that term.

Quite frankly you're an arse.

I'll add you to the list of people I do not want to meet.

*I'm referring to 'casual racists' in general, no one specifically.

What you do and what you believe in matters much more than what you say. If you know that someone finds being referred to in a particular way offensive and you can't be bothered t stop using that word or phrase then you are showing them no respect. So yes using a term based on ethnicity that the other person finds offensive is racist. I offer no comment on whether it's "casual" or otherwise

Well said machamish

CFH, your amusing little GIF is most appropriate, under the circumstances. 😆

people have been told that a certain term is offensive to certain people but they refuse to stop using that term.

Er, who's said that, exactly? Are we reading the same thread?

Example in the OP is not a good one, Chinky for a chinese takeaway is refering to the food and has no racist connotation wheras words like **** are flat out insulting and are meant to offend

Can I order a **** from here?

http://www.just-eat.co.uk/****stani-takeaways/manchester

Either both words are bad or the both words are okay. I prefer the former.

jeezus. How long does a thread have to go on for before everyone comes to a consensus that they should already ****in have! This isn't some broad spectrum of society we have on here ya know! I thought you people were intelligent! This thread, on here, is a no brainer in my opinion. You go for a Chinese, eat a Chinese, order a chinese. It would sit really uncomfortably with me ordering a chinky, talking to achinky, having a chinky mate. that's it. simple. It'd feel wrong.

This isn't some broad spectrum of society we have on here ya know! I thought you people were intelligent! This thread, on here, is a no brainer in my opinion.

[img] [/img]

Fire in the hole!

*runs away screaming like a girl*

lol nice one Bwaarp haha!

I'm actually rather pleased with that one if I might say so, it's twisted on so many levels.

Bwaarp did you really call a French girl a bitch in a library?

Er, who's said that, exactly? Are we reading the same thread?

Yes, this one, where a few people with Chinese or Far Eastern partners & friends reported that, yes, they'd find it unpleasant to be called a chinky, and that the word, by association, being used to describe food wasn't very nice either.

I'll continue to use it yes as I said many pages back in my experience no one has taken offence in calling some food a name. Find it odd that they do anyway just grabbed me itai must got.

[img] [/img]

Thank god no one's mentioned a Tex-Mex.

I think my approach to dealing with things like this is quite straight forward. I follow the law of Bill and Ted...

[img] [/img]

I'll continue to use it yes

Ah, one person. IT'S WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT!!

Drac - Moderator
Thank god no one's mentioned a Tex-Mex.

Are you really a moderator? 😕

Are you really a moderator?

Hard to tell. As they never sign their emails.

Some gems from another thread which haven't been removed so I assume were considered OK by the moderator who closed the thread. Xenophobia at it's best, or when an accent is more of an issue than skin colour:

nukeproofriding - Member

Is it just me who thinks french kids are the worst though? Maybe it's because there are just more of them here regularly. Maybe I'm countryist. Bah. Idgas

They just all seem like loud, broken, horrible children when they're here. Like it's a giant spit bowl where you go on school trips, throw gum on the floor, kick the animals and then f off home for crepes and lemon juice.

That'll either be my son and his mates or one of the groups my wife takes (I only take kids to Germany). On a more serious note, my wife has to be careful where she takes the kids because they tend to get attacked by the local thugs - I have no such trouble in Germany.

nukeproofriding - Member

'French' isn't a race. it's a mental disability (jk/) -.- I'm being countryist. get your fact's straight :p

Who are you Nukeproofing? You rocked up a couple of weeks ago and have since been prolific. Banned and a new login?

TBF, Drac is the only moderator that openly, frequently posts on the forum. I've always wondered why he is happy with that and none of the others are.

I was under the impression edukator that NPR had had a few drinks last night hence the tone of his posts in that thread. I could be entirely wrong of course and he may genuinely stand by those statements. I would hope not.

Ah - he was pissed. That makes it perfectly excusable.

TBF, Drac is the only moderator that openly, frequently posts on the forum. I've always wondered why he is happy with that and none of the others are.

Oh? What of "mark"?

[i]the only moderator that openly, frequently posts on the forum. I've always wondered why he is happy with that and none of the others are.[/i]

I'm not too sure its very healthy for the police to become involved with those whom they have to watch.

However, I do genuinely see the role as Mod to be a difficult one at times. I certainly wouldn't do it and on the whole I am grateful someone does. Even when, given the limits and constraints of communicating in this way.
It may be easy to make inaccurate assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusion regarding some posts...

Anyway, thats probably a ban for me now.
Bye.

Is it ok to describe black people as black? I think it is, isn't it?

TBF, Drac is the only moderator that openly, frequently posts on the forum. I've always wondered why he is happy with that and none of the others are.

Jamie I cannot believe you are not on first name terms with them by now 😉

I'm not too sure its very healthy for the police to become involved with those whom they have to watch.

Dont always agree with mod decisions but I doubt i would be here if there were none.
Nukeproofing seems to be just a venomous troll and not very good at constructing an argument from what I have seen

Ah - he was pissed. That makes it perfectly excusable.

The Edinburgh Defence 2.0

Solo - you'd prefer to have a Secret Police to a Community Police Force?

Hard to tell. As they never sign their emails.

ohhh you get anonymods?

i get:

Stop it.

seriously.

yours sexually,

Mark, Drac and the boyz.

and got loads of shit so they went anonymous

That story still [s]saddens[/s] amazes me.

...unless the mod in question was a bit of a sausage. With great power etc etc...

I get loads of shit when I go on rides.

And I'm not even a mod.

Tbf any one that uses words with derogatory conitations, whether they 'mean' it or not, clearly has no respect for the peolple that may find it offensive. To me that is the problem.

Is it ok to describe black people as black? I think it is, isn't it?

[img] [/img]

Hard to tell. As they never sign their emails.

Heh

Bwaarp did you really call a French girl a bitch in a library?

This threads already been locked so I'll discuss it only once, maybe I went to far. It's not a very nice word and I do feel a little bit bad about saying it, on the other hand she spoke perfect English as evidenced by her phone conversation and there was a big sign right above....and more of them dotted all around the room saying "Silent Study Area".

I wouldn't normally bandy the word around like a gangster out of Compton - deadlines can just be frustrating sometimes - especially when you've had to move already because of noise in a library.

What I will do, is put this word in the same box as the "N-word"....thinking about it....it's just as bad. There's no excuse for using it tbh.

[i]Solo - you'd prefer to have a Secret Police to a Community Police Force?[/i]

DruidH.

I wrote you a response, but then deleted it. If you really want to discuss that with me, you're welcome to mail me, but I won't be checking mails until next week.

As a debate, and as Mark points out. This thread has travelled further than most, without too much grief and so is a good thread in that sense.
But do we really need, are any of us really benefiting from discussing this subject on a cycling forum ?, for twelve pages !.
I'm not convinced.

I'm off now.

Have a great weekend, everybody.
😀

This thread has travelled further than most, without too much grief and so is a good thread in that sense.

indeed, but then,

But do we really need, are any of use really benefiting from discussing this subject on a cycling forum ?,

make yer mind up !

there are plenty of threads about trivia that go to the nth degree about such, when a thread that takes people out of their 'comfort' zone,and challenges some very core values it will go 'on' a bit surely.
It is only these type of threads that 'reveal people and occasionally alter peoples previously held 'opinions'-- iyf you can be bothered to read the 12 pages , you will realise why.

thats the thing i like about the chat forum, the wide range of topics 🙂 one minute you're discussing diets, then mental health, then politics, then there's a joke thread, then somebody is in need of some support, then you discuss racism, then you find some new music then you get shown a video of a german jumping onto a frozen lake.

in the spirit of the thread.... silly germans.

Solo - you'd prefer to have a Secret Police to a Community Police Force?

Ask TSY! (But do it by email, not twitter or Facebook)

I feel a bit dirty and bad now.

Thread's not funny anymore.

But do we really need, are any of us really benefiting from discussing this subject on a cycling forum ?, for twelve pages !.

To be fair, it is in the chat section.

Also, ... [b][NOPE! - MODS][/b]

I feel a bit dirty and bad now.

hope its not anything you've just done 😉

Well this topic has changed.

I won't discuss moderating as it will lead to an argument and it's that what kills many thread. Anyway it isn't always easy but then again what is, why do I have my name tagged as mod and still post? Choice partly and because I've been here so long and still enjoy the forum, yes it's changed a lot over the last decade, I continue to post as there's some good banter. Anyway thanks for your support guys and as a side note we still rely on the self modding and people controlling what they post which has improved which again thanks for.

I've met many people off here over the years and as I help out at events meet others, I've never had any grief but then the grief I sometimes get at work it couldn't possibly be any at worse. No that doesn't give you permission to abuse me 🙂

Right done.

if i woke up from being resuscitated to see your face looming over me drac i'd abuse you 😉

Hahaha that has happened.

To drag it back to the OP (slightly)...

I shall continue to use 'black' to describe black people, should I need to. I would also use any other easy differentiator; i.e. 'the chap with the blue shirt' the woman standing by the window' etc, should it be appropriate in conversation, because to me the colour of skin is no more or less relevant than whether they drink coffee or tea, or how tall they are. Should this ever cause offense, I will apologise, explain that I use this term specifically not to cause offence, my rationale being that I have no issue being referred to as white. I would never dream of actually discriminating against someone because of their skin colour, in fact the very idea seems slightly odd to me.

I shall probably stop using the word 'chinky' to describe a Chinese takeaway. I probably didn't use it that much anyway (and never to describe a person; that wouldn't even have occurred to me) and when I did it would have been as a pure abbreviation in the same way as I'd abbreviate McDonalds to ‘Maccys’ every now and then. That it could cause racial offence to do this genuinely hadn't even occurred to me. That said, I'm happy to bin it and move on, on the evidence of this thread.

I'll probably continue to use the word ‘Maccy’ to describe a McDonald’s meal though. Although, should any Scots or people married to Scots like to let me know that it hurts their feelings, I'll drop that one too. I wouldn't want my fingers chopped off, after all.