That's 4 men out of over 400 who have already returned and there was no mention of revoking their citizenship, just having them tried in America (presumably so they can receive the death penalty).
I remember when the girls left, young and stupid just like many more young men before and after them. It still doesn't explain or justify our treatment of this young woman and baby, especially when we've already allowed so many fighters to return home and most of whom will have committed absolute atrocities. So her crime is being pretty, young, naive and subservient?
She needs a good sleep and then an intensive 3 week de-radicalisation course.
She'll be right as rain.. reverting to normality after seeing heads rolling about the gaff will be no problemo 👌
All she was doin over there was washing underpants and cooking dinner!!
So that's worse than actually cutting the heads off?
Here was me thinking that she sounds like STW's perfect woman, knows her way round the kitchen and bedroom and isn't afraid to lick your wounds
That’s 4 men out of over 400 who have already returned and there was no mention of revoking their citizenship, just having them tried in America (presumably so they can receive the death penalty).
I remember when the girls left, young and stupid just like many more young men before and after them. It still doesn’t explain or justify our treatment of this young woman and baby, especially when we’ve already allowed so many fighters to return home and most of whom will have committed absolute atrocities. So her crime is being pretty, young, naive and subservient?
Errr, two, I think, and they have had their citizenship revoked. Although, as we know, that may not have any real meaning.
As for the rest, you asked the question, I just answered, don't shoot the messenger.
a mother of a now sick child won't let him return to the UK without her, I'm pretty sure if she had that child's best interest at heart she would be following on later
Or, it could be that she's so terrified of losing her third child that she doesn't want to spend a moment apart from him. If he's allowed into the UK without her she might never see him again, whether he survives or not. No parent should be forced to make that choice and no child should have to suffer for it. She couldn't win either way, if she allows him to go she'd be slagged off too. I can imagine what the commentators will say "What kind of mum gives up her kid?"
I'm not suggesting that she gets a million pound mansion and £26k in benefits, I think she should face trial if she's committed any crime just like you or I would expect. If we let our British values and our legal system slip for people we don't agree with, how are we going to get on our moral high horse?
Well said aweeshoe
Now people are actually sympathizing for a terrorist.
Objective and applying fair law rather than sympathizing. As with the other 400 that nobody seem to protest about.
As for the terrorist part, what terrorist acts has she done?
Or, it could be that she’s so terrified
That's how terrorism works she's just found out obviously... Or maybe self preservation is her top priority , what's that called again....oh human shield
a mother of a now sick child won’t let him return to the UK without her, I’m pretty sure if she had that child’s best interest at heart she would be following on later
Playing devil's advocate for a moment,
Given that our response to this has been to (potentially illegally) revoke her citizenship, and she's presumably not overly sympathetic to the UK by dint of her leaving in the first place, if you were her would you trust that if you were to surrender your baby to the UK you'd ever see him again? Not sure as I would.
Is she back yet, and has she taken someones job?
Thats all that matters to some innit.
Bails -
This isn’t about defending the woman in question, it’s about whether the UK government should follow international laws. And it’s hard to debate because it often turns into “Oh, you love terrorists do you? Well why don’t you go to Syria to join them eh?!”.
Now people are actually sympathizing for a terrorist.
so what? Law's the law.
she’s presumably not overly sympathetic to the UK by dint of her leaving in the first place, if you were her would you trust that if you were to surrender your baby to the UK you’d ever see him again? Not sure as I would.
Agree. Even fascists love their children and I'm sure she will do her best for the lad. It's just her world view might dictate a very different idea of what 'best' for him is. If he dies in the camp maybe she thinks that will make him a martyr and get him a ticket to paradise which she might regard as far better than being brought up by infidels. We don't know how she perceives this and if she had the same idea of what is 'best' as western liberals like us she wouldn't be there at all.
...and this all assumes "won’t let him return to the UK without her" is true. I haven't seen it reported anywhere.
As for the terrorist part, what terrorist acts has she done?
Is this really a question? She became a terrorist as soon as she left to join isis in syria. Come on guys, take the libtard free the world glasses off and stop defending this cretin.
Come on guys, take the libtard free the world glasses off and stop defending this cretin
With this level of debate is hard not to be won over !
This is just not one of them issues you virtue signal on for internet points.
Is this really a question? She became a terrorist as soon as she left to join isis in syria. Come on guys, take the libtard free the world glasses off and stop defending this cretin.
My question was, "What terrorist act has she performed" and what law(s) were broken by that terrorist act
I am not defending "this cretin" but people clearly need defending from cretins
Being friends with a terrorist is not the same as being a terrorist, however otherwise morally deplorable falling in with that lot may be.
I'm in no way defending her actions, but English law has concepts like "innocent until proven guilty" and the right to a fair trial requiring evidence. If you want to throw that out just because she's brown and her mates are a bit explody, it's not the "libtards" with the problem here.
To corrupt a phrase that's been popular of late, "why do you hate justice?"
My view (and I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has been covered already) is that the UK Govt should invoke a Court Order for the baby who can be repatriated and fostered in the UK / be raised by family. Mother can make her own way in the world - she has made her metaphorical bed, so to speak...
If we refuse to accept her back and take responsibility for our own citizens, born, bred and educated in this country, then we have no right to expect other countries to repatriate people we are trying to deport.
The rest of the world would be right to think that Britain is an increasingly joke nation who can't be trusted to make good on it's responsibilites.
If you want to throw that out just because she’s brown and her mates are a bit explody, it’s not the “libtards” with the problem here.
Wins best comment on the internet today award.🏆🥇
This is just not one of them issues you virtue signal on for internet points.
But what do you count as virtue signalling? Saying that the UK should follow international laws? She's British, she's our problem, if she comes back then she should be investigated/convicted/punished as appropriate, but we can't just say "not our problem guv"
If nothing else, this issue has really helped me cull some unexpectedly nasty friends on Facebook that got through the last cull of simplistic knuckle draggers.
How did you end up friends with so many ISIS brides?
I watched two of the interviews with her earlier after reading some guff from body language experts. She just seems to be in a state of shock, like her brain has thrown up its defences and rebooted her in safe mode. I hope that, at the very least, her baby is given the appropriate medical care he needs.
UK Govt should invoke a Court Order for the baby who can be repatriated and fostered in the UK / be raised by family. Mother can make her own way in the world
What about her next baby, or the one after that?
She just seems to be in a state of shock
Came over more like entitled to me.
Saying that the UK should follow international laws? She’s British, she’s our problem, if she comes back then she should be investigated/convicted/punished as appropriate, but we can’t just say “not our problem guv”
Yup, she was radicalised in our country, the police were even aware of it at the time
We should really by asking the home secretary of the day wtf this was allowed to happen.
Allowed back on Uk soil but banished to Holy Isle witha nice shiney ankle bracelet in a ironic nod to religon and under populated areas ?
Baby can live with grandparents if they are happy to collect the child benefit cash
if they are happy to collect the child benefit cash
Technically as a third child will it qualify or do the two previous have to have survived?
Technically as a third child will it qualify or do the two previous have to have survived?
Is this a serious question?
Yes the child will qualify. You can only "claim" two children. She's only got the one now.
It’s already been said various times in this thread, but I also agree that she should be allowed to come back. Apart from the fact we shouldn’t make someone stateless, how do we know whether she was groomed or threatened? How do we know whether she is in fear for her life if she says she regrets what she’s did? We need to understand what’s happened, and the baby of course is completely innocent.
So the STW majority says allow the ISIS brides baby to be given to the grandparents to bring up.
Makes sense I guess; they did such a great job of enabling the baby’s mother to develop into well rounded individual didn’t they. Whatever could go wrong ..
Could be worse - they could be given to a bitter, resentful, selfish person
But I thought the STW experts ruled out the ISIS bride being allowed to keep the baby?
I don't see any of the stw experts offering up their spare room for her and a cut of their salary for her upkeep.
Could be worse – they could be given to a bitter, resentful, selfish person
Where is the eye rolling emoji?
I don’t see any of the stw experts offering up their spare room for her and a cut of their salary for her upkeep.
As a tax-payer I don't mind contributing to "her upkeep".
and a cut of their salary for her upkeep.
I'm quite happy to pay the tax necessary for return travel, assessment, the judicial system if deemed necessary, rehabilitaion and whatever help she needs to reintegrate society. The cost will be derisory compared with what Blair spent on starting the wars.
I feer her parents have been measured in their response. Condemning her actions and words but maintaining she should be allowed to come home, what parents would do anything else.
I'd be over in Syria by now getting my daughter and grandchild out myself, or die trying.
I don’t see any of the stw experts offering up their spare room for her and a cut of their salary for her upkeep.
Peoples have argued that she should be entitled to return to this country, to face fair justice for her actions. I fail to see how those arguments can be debunked by my refusal to take her in as a lodger. It's a bit of a silly point to make.
We contribute to the up keep of plenty of people in society who we may find unpleasant.
I feer her parents have been measured in their response. Condemning her actions and words but maintaining she should be allowed to come home, what parents would do anything else.
True - and yes I agree that any parent would want their child to be allowed to return - those two surviving London ISIS torture/beheading gang called the Beatles also have parents campaigning to allow their children to return too.
So maybe I am being a tad cynical - but the parents would have to be a special kind of stupid to be saying anything other than condemning her actions to the media if they are looking to gain support for repatriation .. a tiny bit like how the ISIS bride has kinda changed her perspective on things since she learned that she wasnt get a quick ticket back to the UK.