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So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?
No. None. /
What a **** waste of electrons this thread is.
Oh, I don't know, sometimes a lack of justification can be just as telling as justification, assuming there is any actual justification.
Dyson needs to get into making loud hailers - as he needs a really big powerful one to send his anti-EU spiels to the UK all the way from his company's HQ that the hypocritical deceitful #£#%#& moved to Singapore. Whilst the products are made in China.
This is NOT a British manufacturer. It hasn't been for a decade or two. It just uses a union jack to deceive.
Me ? I have Bosch products and (mostly) made in Europe where there is still a level of democracy, unlike where Dyson bases itself and gets its stuff made.
"So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?"
Yes. About £250k of British money in the coffers of the Danish Government's accreditation service, to get the Co I worked for accreditation in the EU to be able to carry on doing what it did before brexit. With a further 50-100k cost each year too to keep it.
Great benefit to Danes.
“So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?”
Yes. About £250k of British money in the coffers of the Danish Government’s accreditation service, to get the Co I worked for accreditation in the EU to be able to carry on doing what it did before brexit. With a further 50-100k cost each year too to keep it.
Great benefit to Danes.
When my old man died at the start of Covid, he left me his place in Spain. I rent it out as a holliday home so thanks to brexit, I have the joy of paying 24% tax, rather than 19% tax+offsets & deductables which are allowed to EU citizens, but not Brexitland.
I can't even offset my agents 15% commision, so I'm circa 40% down on any rental income before I even start.
So, we have two first hand brexit benefits so far, but the benefits are for the danish and spanish governments/tax payers.
Any more?
I can’t even offset my agents 15% commision, so I’m circa 40% down on any rental income before I even start.
My heart is bleeding. Such a tragedy that you can’t avoid tax on your unearned income 😕
You’re right though, perhaps that is a benefit.
My heart is bleeding. Such a tragedy that you can’t avoid tax on your unearned income 😕
You’re right though, perhaps that is a benefit.
It's not an income, I'm just about breaking even, I'm actually about €2000 in the red at the moment as I had to do some house repairs.
Come on then, captain Brexit, other than apparently taking delight in other peoples annoyances, what has brexit done for you? Seriously. Give me one reason.
It’s not an income, I’m just about breaking even
Income is still income whether you’re making a profit or not. Sounds like you need to sell up.
Come on then, captain Brexit
Sigh. I’m not pro-brexit. I’d probably vote to rejoin tomorrow given the chance. But that’s like wishing for a revolution. It’s not going to happen, and in the meantime there are far more important things to worry about.
So you can't think of even one single benefit from brexit then?
Just one thing...
... Anything, it doesn't need to be a big thing, just something you think might be a benefit to you or any othe UK citizen post brexit...
I'm still listening but your lack of reasoning is quite deafening.
I’ve already said numerous posts ago what I think the benefits could be. Maybe go back and read them?
This thread isn't about what the benefits could be... that's just fantasy red bus speak. It's about if there actually are any benefits.
Give me something tangible, anything, I don't care how small it is, give me something. Some sort of reason, if you have one, just one thing.
I'm all ears.
Dyson needs to get into making loud hailers – as he needs a really big powerful one to send his anti-EU spiels to the UK all the way from his company’s HQ that the hypocritical deceitful #£#%#& moved to Singapore. Whilst the products are made in China.
This is NOT a British manufacturer. It hasn’t been for a decade or two. It just uses a union jack to deceive.
Dyson still has his research and development centre in this country, in fact it’s about eight miles from me. He tried to expand his factory in Malmesbury, but the council refused to give him permission, so he moved it out of the U.K., where manufacturing costs were lower, like many British companies have.
He also had plans to turn the old Stothart and Pitt buildings in Bath into an international industrial design and development university, and Bath council refused to give permission, due to flood concerns. The fact that around the same time other developments were taking place all along the river, including a large shopping redevelopment which involved digging a hole about fifteen meters deep for an underground car park less than 100 metres from the river shows how much concern the council had for flood risk, when Dyson’s project was entirely above the river wall, with offices and other buildings literally right next to it. His technology centre is on the old Hullavington airfield, not far from the M4, where he was doing development work on an electric car, which was abandoned due to the vast cost involved.
He may have a factory in the UK, and allegedly be UK domiciled as an individual (heh)....but...
Dyson Limited, doing business as Dyson, is a Singapore-based multinational technology company.
Plus his vacuum cleaners are crap value for money, compared to hoover and Shark. He's just another shyster.
The only benefit I’ve seen is that my fanatically supporting Brexit colleague’s have gone very quiet and probably feel remarkably stupid for getting so suckered in…….
They were lied to, and in truth they probably wanted to be lied to. They had their reasons.
Which always reminds me of this little speech.
When you look at the brexit party, ukip, leave means leave etc etc the same faces come up. mega rich businessmen. It would be naive to think that these mega rich hedge fund managers and business people who are conservative party donors, are truly saints and have the interests of the poor downtrodden working class as their primary reasons.
Anyway, let's not get the thread closed due to derailment..
Brexit benefits so far are
1. Pending
2. (see 1.)
Anyone... anyone?
Schadenfreude as all the racist pensioners with homes in Spain have discovered all too late that “send them back where they came from” also applies to them.
@cougar my old man was Spanish resident, UK born and worked in the UK and paid UK tax all his life until retirement at about 55 years old...denied a vote as he was not tax resident in the UK at the time, although we are a british family for as long back as I can track, welsh/celtic to be precise.
He told me for years to get out of the UK after he emmigrated, and I was always like yeh yeh, someday..but now that 'some day' has been denied to me due to brexit, unless I can russle up half a million euros to pay for a 'golden visa'. Unlikely.
How can removing peoples rights by a bunch of insular racists (to freedom of movement for example) be fair or democratic?
Although supprisingly, I do meet what I would call a british football hooligan in spain on occasion still saying that brexit is brilliant, but thankfully not where I am, it's more a benidrom/alicante ex-pat attitude, which is basivally like blackpol but with better weather.
And cleaner beaches.
As a UK national living in EU.
I can buy 4 bottles of spirits in duty free.
Haven't been done for speeding through cameras
Most of the businesses I work with now have an office in Europe so I can deal in euros and not worry about exchange rates.
Nothing else jumps out.
I love the 'duty free' airport scam. It's brilliant.
Yes you're not paying tax on it, but, plot twist, airports ramp up the prices so much that the tax saving is essentially zero in comparison to buying the product at source and pay local tax on it.
See also sunglasses, and perfumes.
For example a 10x50g pack of tobacco is just under €100 currently, from a local tabac. Thats including tax, and cheaper than tax free, even though you've already paid tax on it.
I think 1x30g costs about £20 in the UK currently.
Anyway, we all love a good moan.
let’s not get the thread closed due to derailment..
Brexit benefits so far are...
...
?
let’s not get the thread closed due to derailment..
Brexit benefits so far are…
If it wasn't getting derailed there would be no posts and it would die anyway.
Reason: there are no benefits (unless you're a multi millionaire Tory donor then there has been one or two. But for us? Nope.).
Biggest benefit for me is my Pro-Brexit family have gone very very quiet.
Anyway, we all love a good moan.
let’s not get the thread closed due to derailment..
Brexit benefits so far are…
I did mention it a while back but the tampon tax removal was a definite Brexit benefit.
(At the time)
Other than this I’m unaware of any tangible benefit unless you were called Boris, Liz or Rishi as this gave you your dream job.
What are we seven years in…….
There could have been potential brexit benefits, personally I dislike the EU rules about putting public investment out to private tender, allowing corporations to make huge profits from delivering poor services and poor wages. These rules benefit the asset class and not the employed class. I don't see how the future energy and transport needs can be met while dealing with climate change without a proper public ownership model.
However that was never the brexit that was on offer, in fact the brexit on offer was the very opposite of the required solutions. And even if that was the brexit that was offered, it would have still taken a narrow path to success over many parliamentary terms involving different leaders and political parties, so the probability of success would still have been extremely low.
Even with a 'lexit' we would still have had the trade disadvantages, wouldn't we? Maybe a soft lexit could have been an overall positive? Of course it was never on the cards as you say.
You could certainly aspire to a Brexit that offered real world benefits, but those benefits were never on offer, and had virtually no chance of ever being on offer.
Let's go back and remember who was promoting Brexit...
All folk have done is let themselves me shafted for the promise of a few crumbs from the cookie jar so rather than any benefits, which we've now pretty much established haven't occurred, at least for Joe Public, how about naming ANYTHING meaningful that is actually as good as it was in the UK early 2016?
1. In Wales the CAP will be replaced with something better. Hopefully in England too.
2. Kidney cider
3. Schadenfreude
In Wales the CAP will be replaced with something better. Hopefully in England too.
So is it currently worse than 2016, or just the same?
Also, define "better" - include all 'stakeholders' too, as usually for everyone that gets a 'benefit' someone else will see a 'loss'.
Brexit benefits – lets start a list
1. Endless STW debates on the subject
2. See #1
In Wales the CAP will be replaced with something better.
I like the idea of agricultural policy being devolved, because agriculture in the nations is clearly pretty different. Mind you it's also pretty different across England too.
So is it currently worse than 2016, or just the same?
Its better already.
Also, define “better” – include all ‘stakeholders’ too, as usually for everyone that gets a ‘benefit’ someone else will see a ‘loss’.
Better for everyone on balance, not massively skewed in favour of rich landowners like the CAP.
So I started this yesterday morning and now there are 7 p[ages of comment. I have only skim read them but the benefits appear to be:
1) Everyone* is better off
2) It is possible to have regional variations in farming subsidies**
3) ?
So, I make that 1 benefit for less than 1% of the country and 1 benefit that we had already. Did I miss any?
*as long as you only include the very rich in your definition of everyone.
** It was before but now UK politicians are more vocal about it as it lands with them rather than the MEPs who know one really knew anyway
WRT the tampon tax....
And if anyone can tell me what the Welsh CAP replacement will be then I am all ears. I work in the industry, I have had some input in the planning of the new scheme, have spent years working in agri-environmental scheme development at an EU level, am in a group of farmers running a charity (to deliver tree planting opportunities to other farmers) who have the ear of the farming unions and the Welsh Assembly, and NONE of us have a clue what the new CAP replacement will look like when it is finally introduced at the start of next year. It doesn't exactly make long term business planning very easy.
On a different note. We have some friends of Mrs WF over from Germany who arrived yesterday. They said that had expected to find a country on its arse from what the media had been reporting back home but were pleasantly surprised by the state of the place. Couldn't get over how clean and punctual the trains were n(they are travelling by public transport!) 🙂
Greed is good.
I blame Thatcher's government cider
Better for everyone on balance, not massively skewed in favour of rich landowners like the CAP.
"But critics warned that big arable farmers were still likely to reap the biggest rewards under the new plans, with meagre pickings for small farmers and those in difficult environments, such as upland and moorland regions."
Seems to be saying otherwise...
Past schemes were simple in that a farmer didn't need do a lot to claim them. So years ago if you kept x number of sheep, you got x £ amount of payment, Then it was x £ per hectare. Obviously this favoured the bigger farmers in absolute terms but was no barrier to anyone claiming. The new schemes will be very prescriptive and complex and, whilst undoubtedly able to deliver more targeted environmental goals, unless you have a free unit of labour, like a dedicated farm secretary or land agent on the books of the farm you probably won't be claiming anything. This will intimately mean ONLY the larger industrial farms or landowners like the National Trust or RSPB will end up receiving any public money.
There could have been potential brexit benefits, personally I dislike the EU rules about putting public investment out to private tender, allowing corporations to make huge profits from delivering poor services and poor wages. These rules benefit the asset class and not the employed class. I don’t see how the future energy and transport needs can be met while dealing with climate change without a proper public ownership model.
Remember who it was it campaigned for much of this, oh yes the UK drove many of these EU schemes. Now without the restraining tendencies of some other countries don't expect things to get better.
WRT the tampon tax…
Yep, its a similar thing with the magical trade deals, the benefits don't have to be passed on.
In my local all the tradesfolk are fully pro-Brexit as the lower priced and hard working competition have largely left. As a result getting an electrician or plumber or builder is a lot harder and far more expensive than 5 years ago.
So yes, there is a Brexit benefit. A group of workers have put their rates up and have full order books.
See also pub chefs/cooks. Here in Surrey most pubs are crying out for chefs. They are out there but now landlords are saying they want 'too much money'.
@welshfarmer I have been visiting an organic farm in the Vale with my school and the farmers were happy that a) subsidies were going direct to the farmer and b) they were being encouraged to do sustainable, environmentally friendly farming.
Anyone know how equivalent threads are going on more pro-Brexity forums like Pistonheads? I don't enjoy going on there as it's full of smug, selfish, self entitled ****holes and it just winds me up but I'm sure there's some crossover in membership with those that can tolerate it.
Give me something tangible, anything, I don’t care how small it is, give me something.
It's not fair mum, we had brexit and I didn't get my sweeties. Grow up man!
Brexit is/was a political and economic transfer of power at a macro-economic level. The real impact of that will only become apparent over decades, not a couple of years. We don't really know what the real outcomes will be until we start exercising that power at a macro scale and that hasn't even started yet. The time to judge brexit will be after one or two terms of a different govt. If after that they have failed to take advantage of their ability to set policy independent of Europe then that will be the point we can label it a failure, but until then we simply don't know.
TBH as far as I'm concerned if the tories are booted out of power and remain in opposition for the next decade as a result of their incompetence and arrogance then brexit has already done it's job. Finishing off the tories as a party of govt is a bigger prize than anything EU membership could offer.
Finishing off the tories as a party of govt is a bigger prize than anything EU membership could offer.
Agree with a tinge of be careful what you wish for (i.e. who will replace them, what will they turn into)