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If there is any shred of decency left in the royals, the wee woman in charge should have this fat bastard strung up for treason.
You're not wrong there.
When she snuffs it, it's going to be hard to say she left it better than how she found it.
@binners - Jesus, that helicopter footage! I hope there isn't any livestock in that queue
Logic doesn’t defeat it, we’ve seen logic losing for the last five years – so, what else is there?
There is no legal way to reverse what has been done. Exsee's forelock-tugging working classe friends will continue to vote for their (and our) doom. So short of armed revolution there will be no real change. He seems to think that no deal might be bad enough to provoke such a revolution.
I think it’s a capitulation and now Fatboy is stage managing with the help of his client journalists
100% this
EU will help too, they did it for May
It'll be a few months before the brexiteers realise they've been had
He seems to think that no deal might be bad enough to provoke such a revolution.
Disaster Socialism has been attempted in quite a few places over the years. Its never ended well
A genuine question* -
the people will unite when bubbles get popped👊 like a phoenix from the ashes🦃
How do you think that will happen? What will the 'people uniting' look like or how will it affect politics, business, economics etc.
*I am on record here that despite being anti-brexit, despite being pessimistic about the next few years, despite my lack of trust in our Westminster government, I do think that long term we will bounce back. I do wonder what change we will see, and I am too much of an optimist in life to not think that.
Without a doubt Matt, The EU will get blamed for everything, while plucky little Britain fights away like some kind of Commando war time comic character.
Some of these nitwits need to be fed some of that shit sandwich, even if they’re completely ignorant as to who the chef was.
Mon tae **** Nicola, get us oot of here!!!
The EU already is being blamed for everything while good old Boris just does his best in difficult circumstances. Try reading, really reading, the tory poison press for a couple of weeks.
When Scotland leaves the UK after this utter crapfest... save me a place.
Exsee’s forelock-tugging working classe friends will continue to vote for their (and our) doom.
If that's really what you and other remainers think then you have your answer as to why brexit is happening. As clumsy as he is in expressing it, exsee does have a point about the hubris, arrogance and complacency displayed by those who really should have known better. Brexit won't cause a revolution, but it might wake some up to the fact that their own comfort and wealth is not as secure as they thought it was.
Just for balance, I've found it very annoying listening to the know-it-alls posting their offensive tripe for the last few years, barely a peep from the troll hunters or fair minded stw massive, leave voters are fair game on here and it's bloody offensive regardless of how you voted.
Now the truth gets posted and suddenly it's all 'no, no you mustn't blame the apathetic know-it-alls', bless, don't get all snowflakey stw. If ya dish it, expect it back💩
Humblee pie is the only thing on the menu I'm afraid. Nom nom nom🍕🍕
I think people should make an effort to buddy up with a few oaps, help them through the next few months, all the better if they voted differently to you👍👊
Unite the people, trust the polls, time for change🌈
Now the truth gets posted and suddenly it’s all ‘no, no you mustn’t blame the apathetic know-it-alls’, bless, don’t get all snowflakey stw.
What is "the truth"...? That the damage heading our way is the fault of those openly calling for that damage, such as you? Or those that wanted to avoid it, and still would like it mitigated as much as possible, rather than wishing for it to be maximised by rejecting a deal with the EU... because "big change".
I just really feel for those people, in their millions, who voted for Brexit because we would get a new better relationship with the EU, where we're still part of the largest free trade area in the world, but with more political autonomy and more money to spend in the NHS. That they have to hear people openly calling for No Deal, using the mandate they helped provide, is depressing for many of them, and me.
Still our fault then eh Dazh, glad I live in Scotland.
You'll miss us, just like you'll miss the EU, but it'll be too late by then won't it?
Yawn. Shrug.
leave voters are fair game on here and it’s bloody offensive regardless of how you voted.
Dry your eyes, troll.
If we stop feeding the troll he'll get bored and take his tedious crap somewhere else.
All that knowledge and what the **** do the know-it-alls use it for?
Blaming everyone else that's what, they think their joining the elites😱 it's unforgivable, they should be ashamed.
Divide and conquer has worked an absolute treat💩
I'm so angry, I need to vent but please try not to make these pages all about little old meeeeeeee.🐮
When the **** are labour going to grow some flaps? Where's the farage for the norms
You’ll miss us, just like you’ll miss the EU, but it’ll be too late by then won’t it?
Scotland supports my point. In Scotland you voted for a government which maintained the social contract between the government and the people, rather than the governing party assuming they could get away with anything they wanted and still keep power. The result as we saw was the opposite of the rest of the UK, where the working class and middle class came together to vote to stay in the EU, whereas in England the working class (it wasn't just the working class tbf, but they tipped the balance) decided they had no common ground with middle class metropolitan remainers so voted accordingly.
@exsee - I have asked a question of you. Your opportunity to explain some more detail of your vision for how things will be.
Please do reply and engage in discussion - you are flinging more mud and more unsubstantiated ideas around than anyone at the moment.
whereas in England the working class (it wasn’t just the working class tbf, but they tipped the balance) decided they had no common ground with middle class metropolitan remainers so voted accordingly
Well there's a lovely analysis about 2016... with plenty of truth to it... but that's long gone... we are no longer an EU country... now, how is that relevant to exsee calling for No Deal with the EU now, and the "big" but detail free "change" they are hoping will come from it?
Ah yes, it's not the fault of the Tory party, it's not the fault of the people stupid enough to vote for this, it is now apparently the fault of people who Didn't vote for this.....
**** right off. I've said this was a stupid idea from the start, it's not my fault if you've voted for something that will ruin your life.
It's soooo frustrating, how do we get the know-it-alls to engage in society.
They've been sold an absolute dud but won't even consider that they are the problem.
I'm hoping the EU turn the screws and force a no deal, the bubbles need popping now or we're screwed💩
If we stop feeding the troll he’ll get bored and take his tedious crap somewhere else.
Underrated post, advice I would do well to heed.
@exsee – I have asked a question of you. Your opportunity to explain some more detail of your vision for how things will be.
Please do reply and engage in discussion – you are flinging more mud and more unsubstantiated ideas around than anyone at the moment.
You'll not get an answer of any substance.
Ah yes, it’s not the fault of the Tory party, it’s not the fault of the people stupid enough to vote for this, it is now apparently the fault of people who Didn’t vote for this…..
If you read my post properly you'll see I'm agreeing with you. I'm absolutely saying its the fault of the tory party and the people who voted for them. Where were the 48% in 2015 when all this could easily have been prevented? Some of them were obviously voting tory as we wouldn't have ended up with them in power.
Matt, didn't see any question. Sorry.
Will check in later to help you see my light👊
Who are the know-it-alls?
I'm still waiting to find out.
Also, what the Big Change is.
But all the posts are quite content free.
Walks like troll.
Quacks like troll.
Matt, didn’t see any question. Sorry.
Will check in later to help you see my light👊
Who are the know-it-alls?
What exactly would you like them to do?
What is the change you would like to see?
What have you personally done to try and prevent the situation we now find ourselves in?
Answer those, @exsee, and then maybe you might achieve something more than just annoying people.
Bit of a sticky wicket for Boris. Congenitally wired to screw people over, he is at a point where he can either screw over the dark capitalist forces behind Leave who want the fully disaster no-deal situation OR he can screw over the people of country who don't want a no-deal.
Sadly, he can't screw everybody over, so someone (not Boris) will get what they want.
Bit of a sticky wicket for Boris. Congenitally wired to screw people over, he is at a point where he can either screw over the dark capitalist forces behind Leave who want the fully disaster no-deal situation OR he can screw over the people of country who don’t want a no-deal.
Sadly, he can’t screw everybody over, so someone (not Boris) will get what they want.
And therein lies the problem with telling different lies to different people out of can-kicking expediency and/or political expediency.
This would make a great morality tale than even a three year old could understand, but it is a strange way to map a (formerly) important country's future for the next decade +.
Whichever way this goes in the short term there are going to be an awful lot of people realising they were sold a pup. My worry is they go full post-truth, anti-vax, batshit mental double-down and we go down some 1930s plughole.
For the people who think "it could never happen here and not in this day and age" just think about how many ordinary German folk were saying that in 1929/30.
Germany you say… I think the 2030s will be interesting…
Dodgy Beta Apple translation…
Scottish head of government Nicola Sturgeon continues to stick to her plans for Scotland's accession to the EU. After the independence referendum she sought, she will quickly lead her nation into the European Union, Sturgeon said in an interview with the daily newspaper Die Welt and other European media. According to recent surveys, more than half of the Scots want independence. I am confident that the Scots will say yes in the next referendum.
An independent Scotland will then immediately apply for EU membership. In their opinion, Scotland is "a unique case for rapid accession to the EU". Scotland's accession is "not enlargement". As part of the United Kingdom, Scotland was finally a member for over 40 years. Scotland is coming home, this is not a new beginning.
Actually, that's a really good translation, isn't it. Well done Apple.
Nicht nur Nicola. Wir wollen alle zurück ins EU.
(Fast alle)
W angielski?
Boris is apparently wanging on about fish again. He's still sticking to this as being the thing he's using to scupper any deal.
Meanwhile the idiots idiot, Michael Gove, with his best poker face is telling the EU that if there is no deal by the 1st Jan deadline then the UK will definitely not be returning to try and get any form of FTA with the EU after that and we'll be happy on WTO rules with no trade agreement.
Their reaction wasn't documented, but I should imagine...
The troll playing you here. Did no-one twig when he said this:
I think people should make an effort to buddy up with a few oaps, help them through the next few months,
Are emojis the new CAPS?
+1 Dazh
Honestly fishing...
Its like destroying a tenner using it to scoop a penny out the back of the sofa
The troll playing you here. Did no-one twig when he said this:
It is more when he disappears for half an hour every so often to check up on respondents to his Fair Fuel survey that it becomes really obvious. I wonder if anyone has actually donated any cash at the end.
Exsee and Howard Cox have never been seen in the same room together - makes you think....
Honestly fishing…
Its like destroying a tenner using it to scoop a penny out the back of the sofa
Or staging a 'border incident' to justify invading Poland.
Question… do we think that, right now, the British population want a deal with the EU? If so, how would a No Deal outcome be respecting the will of the people? And I mean the will of us, the people, now, at the tail end of 2020, not us at a point in time in 2016. (Although I’d argue there has been no point in the last 20 years when a No Deal situation had public backing, even during the brief periods where Brexit was popular).
Oh, just seen this…
Meanwhile - jolly japes in Westminster.
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the 'government'.
No better than Rebekah Vardy and Colleen Rooney.
Exsee and chewk sitting in a tree...
He told the Politico website: “In nearly 20 years of elected office I have never leaked to the press.”
Seems legit.
It is more that these twunts still have the time and energy for ****ing parlour games when we are at 60,000+ deaths from covid, cases on the rise again, ICUs getting full and just about to have a Christmas free for all superspreader event temporary relaxation in the rules.
As well as about to press the big red 'press here to flush your economy down the khazi' Brexit button.
At some point in the future, please, please, please, there needs to be some kind of reckoning for the likes of Farage, Cummings, Johnson, Gove et al. One where they end up wearing pyjamas and breaking rocks for 18 hours a day.
It won't happen, of course. They'll probably end up being viewed as 'moderates' when the idiots keep voting for more and more nasty fantasists rather than face up to their own stupidity.
As well as about to press the big red ‘press here to flush your economy down the khazi’ Brexit button.
They’ve done that already. Brexit is a rounding error.
Does anyone else get the impression that the English are using fishing as a way to sabotage a deal? Basically;
1. de Pfeffel Johnson goes over there to hardtalk the EU
2. agrees to everything except "selling out our brave fisherman" yada yaha. (0.12% of the economy?)
3. the EU cannot accept.
4. blame the EU for no deal when that was the deal all along.
5. come back, deflect, abdicate, deny all responsibiltiy.
Job done.
@Kalvin, to me that looks like the malignant press of the UK colliding with the chemotherapy of reality.
How many years before we're back in the SM? 3,5 or 10?
short of armed revolution there will be no real change.
When it starts let me know. I'll come back and give you a hand.
Does anyone else get the impression that the English are using fishing as a way to sabotage a deal?
Yes. 100%.
Oh and please....
I am English, but please do not put it like that. Please don't lump me in with Johnson and his rabble.
They do not represent me, never have never will and they make me thoroughly ashamed to be English.
I am English, but please do not put it like that. Please don’t lump me on with Johnson and his rabble.
They do not represent me, never have never will and they make me thoroughly ashamed to be English.
Abso-bloody-lutely. The whole fish thing is (excuse me) a massive red herring for anyone that cares to spend five minutes looking onto it.
How many years before we’re back in the SM? 3,5 or 10?
13-14. Its going to need this parliment to run its course, then get a different (Presumably Labour) one for a term, then campaign on it in the next gen. election then best part of a term to sort out.
A Parcel of Rogues 2020, after Robert Burns
Fareweel to a' our British fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory;
Fareweel ev'n to the British name,
Sae fam'd in global story.
Now Frome rins over Solent sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where Brexit's province stands-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by Johnson’s few,
For offshore traitor's wages.
Europe’s hand we did disdain,
In “Sovereignty’s” fixation;
For Tory lies have been our bane -
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!Auld Scotland tak’s a hindward glance
And kens what is afore us
Oor “precious Union” has nae chance
We’ve had enough of Boris
But pith and power, till my last hour,
I'll mak this declaration;
Doomed to fail this Brexit tale-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
Maybe need to add a verse about fish
The gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban
we need to keep our gammon at home, lest it infects the EU.
What happens to fishing if Scotland leaves the UK?
In fact, isn't fishing devolved already?
The gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban
To be fair though thats the way it is for everywhere else in the world. Those kind of things should be expected even with a trade deal.
we need to keep our gammon at home, lest it infects the EU.
👏👏👍👍
What happens to fishing if Scotland leaves the UK?
I'll just leave this here.
Scotroutes - I was looking for that map and couldn’t find it. Thank you.
There’s a statistic that goes with it. Of the total land and sea area of the UK 55% is Scotland. E,W & NI are together the other 45%.
I guarantee you though that at least 95% of brexiteers who are insistent that we have control of our waters, also think that Scotland post-independence shouldn't have control of our waters. We saw all sorts of random horseshit in the indyref just trying to rewrite all the laws of the sea and I've seen some of the same people in the press now just cheerfully saying the opposite...
Absolutely.
A neck an axe couldn't mark.
I'll just leave this here
Yeah but look at all that empty space just south of Northern Ireland, we can take that right?
^ that map has made me realise how much sea the Dane's own. Faroe is a place of much value...
Aye, but the riding's shit and you wouldn't want your second home there.
There’ll be an easy jet flight.
They’ll land at Faroes Lerwick or something. 😉
I haven't looked at this thread for a few days, and it's funny how now more and more of you are starting to realise a No Deal is not only inevitable, but always the plan from the start.
I would also echo what a few are saying about the perpetrators being held accountable for their actions, there has to be someway of doing this. The current junta will obviously not allow anything, so it will be down to media pressure or more likely social media pressure. Unfortunately neither are worth their salt, so where do we go?
I'm nailing my colours to the mast. It is No Deal crash out.
The cowardly shit Johnson has decided that his little play at being Winston Churchill hasn't worked out as he would have liked. So he's decided to cash in fully with the disaster capitalist wreckers. He needs to pay for his coterie of exes and bastard offspring so he's going to 'deliver' them their No Deal, take the cash and walk. 31st March at the latest. I doubt he'll even be living in this country by this time next year.
We're ****ed.
Sold down the river to predatory crooks by a bunch of cynical opportunists on the basis of a pack of racist/xenophobic lies sold to idiots. Well done Leavers.
**** Brexit and all who sail in her.
Unfortunately neither are worth their salt, so where do we go?
Without direct action, there doesn't seem that much really. Look at the Goodlaw project. The Gov. clearly broke their own laws with their corrupt handing out of useless PPE contracts, which cost front-line staff their lives. They are challenged in court about this and deflect, deny, abdicate. The usual stuff. Tory ministers openly lie on TV and people just shrug.
When you have this level of politician in charge, without shame, dignity or any semblence of morality beyond self-interest, the UK has basically become an elective dictatorship. The majority of the country is bascically being dragged along by a vastly stupid/selfish 35% of the electorate, the Murdoch/Barclay/Darcy press and an ruling elite whose incompetence if only matched by their sense of self-entitlement.
does anyone else get the impression that the English are using fishing as a way to sabotage a deal?
Gove is Scottish right?
I’m nailing my colours to the mast. It is No Deal crash out.
Johnson will fold
I just don't believe the government really are stupid enough to let fish sink it all
Still not sure whether no deal or shit deal - I thought Johnson would have flounced by now, but we're still talking.
As Michel Barnier explained to the EU parliament, if the UK doesn't maintain the current situation on fishing in return for continued access to the European market then the EU is in a worse position than before Brexit. A bit like offering a club member who quits the club free beer every time he visits in future.
Britain isn't trying to maintain privileges it threw away by leaving the EU it is trying to better them. The EU parliament won't vote for that and Michel Barnier has no mandate to agree to it.
Taking back control . . . . .
Negotiating/playing poker with this government must be incredibly frustrating tbh. I mean, just look at the covid responses, right now- 3 days ago restrictions over christmas would be "inhuman" and it was all systems go, today it's tier 4 and there wasn't even a tier 4 yesterday. Nobody can second guess this government, not even them.
And then there's every chance that they go to put their hand down and it's a pair of 3s, Mr Bones The Butcher, a tesco clubcard, Death, and that card you get in the pack that tells you how to play poker.
I just don’t believe the government really are stupid enough to let fish sink it all
They're not all stupid. Many of them have been bought.
danny, is that the Government or the fish?
danny, is that the Government or the fish?
The government. At this rate, though, there is a serious chance that a small shoal of mackerel and a turbot or two would do a better job than these tossers.
They've been floundering from day 1.
And now they really are skating on thin ice.
With all this duplicity and shameful behaviour behaviour by our government it might be worth pointing out that at this moment ambulances from another eu state are deploying in the UK because we can’t cope.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1219/1185490-northern-ireland-covid-19/