“yeah, it’ll have been just as bad, no worse, if we’d stayed in”
Although the evidence to counter that will be will be waving back at us from across La Manche.
People don't look there... except for the odd ramblings of 'journalists' like Johnson & Gove... for example, they still have no idea that Germany were contributing twice what we were to run the little bunch of civil servants in Brussels that were helping to improve all our lives.
Smuggler’s charter, no need for importers to file paperwork or pay duties for 6 months. Cue truckloads of counterfeit products, sub-standard foods and god knows what else coming our way - those Albanian gangsters must be laughing all the way to the docks!
Cue truckloads of counterfeit products, sub-standard foods and god knows what else coming our way – those Albanian gangsters must be laughing all the way to the docks!
Presumably we are going to use them as a case study so we can do the same in an international way when we are 'free'.
Daniel Hannan on the Board of Trade.
Everyone remember to sing to "Rule Britannia" with tears in your eyes on the last night of the proms.
That means our position in the Single Market isn’t under threat from anyone now, yes?
And Marcus Fysh as Deputy President.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.
I understand their willingness (in their own political self interests) to fail to get us a good trade deal with our neighbours, but this team seems designed to sabotage our trade policy as a whole… appointing them must be a deliberate sabotaging of the UK, no?
Some excellent bullshit from David Frost today… happily blaming May’s government for “blinking”… (I thought it was Johnson’s government that signed the Withdrawl Agreement, but hey)… and talking up No Deal (yes, we’re back to the ground zero approach again).
Some excellent bullshit from David Frost today… happily blaming May’s government for “blinking”… (I thought it was Johnson’s government that signed the Withdrawl Agreement, but hey)… and talking up No Deal (yes, we’re back to the ground zero approach again).
Frost is a cretin.
Get anyone you like, though. Tony Abbott, Mother Theresa, Alan Sugar, Albert Einstein, Sigmund Freud, St Francis of Assisi...... whoever. It doesn't matter. When the 'deal' you are trying to negotiate is so utterly childish and stupid (entirely in keeping with Brexit itself) then you aren't going to get it. Basically kicking former partners in the balls then asking them to help you undercut and undermine them five minutes later? Idiots.
It is no coincidence that everything so far 'delivered' by Brexit has been to the detriment of the UK. It is no coincidence that one of the key things it has 'delivered' is a government of clowns and opportunists led by the biggest clown/opportunist of them all.
****ing shambles.
Whilst doing a bit of bike maintenance and general household tidying I tried to think of anyone who could possibly get the 'deal' that 'we' seem to be 'pursuing' with the EU. I.e. 100% cake-eatism.
I indulged my inner Dom and though outside the box. And then it came to me. A hypnotist! A proper, full scale hypnotist.
But then I remembered who is on charge. Even if hypnotists could actually succeed here I reckon this bunch of prats would end up with this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ
For a massive fee, naturally.
Oven Ready?
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1302701541674160134
I still think this is a bluff, it meeans
Hard Border in Ireland
an extra 5pts? for Sturgeon in Holyrood elections in a few months
Will Johnson blow it all that up just to get out if a bind he created for himself?
Government to introduce legislation this week that could override agreements already in place concerning the NI border and State Aid...
EU suggest this is a "self-defeating" strategy. Surely not? Smacks of deliberate sabotage...
Full steam ahead for not only no deal but the UK as an international pariah who absolutely nobody will trust as any deal it signs won’t be worth the paper it’s written on.
The Disaster Capitalists who backed Johnson will be getting their pay off, big time
The rest of us are ****ed!!
The UK is now officially the Crimson Permanent Assurance
Yup, Sturgeon wasting no time weaponising this
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1302711937873121284?s=19
Johnson snookered himself because he had no idea what he was agreeing to with the Withdrawal Agreement
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
I still think it's a bluff
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
I do believe he is.
A message has been sent out… you can not trust the UK… it will be heard by all governments, not just those in Europe. It will be heard by the people of NI as well.
Is he really stupid enough to make an even worse mistake that will bite him in the arse on an even bigger scale afterwards ?
He doesn’t care either way. He got brexit done, if it goes bad he’ll **** off somewhere sunny.
Fascinating.
I'm sure the governments of the world will be well aware that it's just Johnson his party that are idiots, and that we have a credible opposition leader who'd bring things back to normal AND a credible alternative Tory leader. So they'll be waiting for the inevitable collapse of this government and its replacement with something sensible. Which given the polls is only a matter of time.
As will the UK parliament too. Labour have already set out their stall but it'll be very interesting how the Tories view this, they will surely be sharpening their knives and moving in behind Sunak. All the 1922 committee has to do is get rid of Johnson and they can start to undo this mess.
We’re at the point where our leaders/heads of state are Tweeting at each other.
This is the future. Nationalism driven by austerity, misinformation and bigotry. Populism driven by Twitter and Youtube comment-feeds. A binary Punch and Judy Show of yore except now with the head propagandists tugging on Big Data behind the curtains. Instant reach and influence. It’ll be a jolly wheeze. Look how it’s been working out this last decade and it’s just warming up?
From the Irish Times.
All this in reference to basically reneging on the withdrawal deal...
It is a very blunt instrument,” said one of those familiar with the matter. “The bill will explicitly say the government reserves the right to set its own regime, directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law.
A second person familiar with the impending bill said that Lord Frost had personally driven the decision to take the “nuclear option” of overwriting the withdrawal agreement, despite progress being made in talks on implementing the Irish protocol
Christophe Hansen, the European Parliament’s lead MEP for the adoption of the future trade agreement, told the Financial Times that the full respect of the withdrawal agreement was a core “trust” issue and a “litmus test” of the UK’s willingness to honour deals with Brussels.
Holy shit. Historians well be debating how a G7 economy willingly buried itself for hundreds of years. The politics behind it,yes, but the psychology too.
Oh, just to remember, Covid cases "rise sharply" to highest since 22 May. At a time when we need all the good will we can muster and all the international cooperation we can count on.... We throw a grenade at our nearest and largest trading partner whilst giving them the finger.
We have one hell of a Winter to come...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54050342
Well. F******. Done. Brexit.
Lord Frost had personally driven the decision to take the “nuclear option” of overwriting the withdrawal agreement,
Thank heavens we took back control from unelected bureaucrats.
Sturgeon has some brass neck. The main reason Boris has been emboldened to do idiotic things like this is his extended majority which he wouldn't have if Sturgeon and Swinson hadn't railroaded labour into an early election. I don't really blame her, independence is Scotland's best option to get back in the EU, but I do wonder why she's idolised by English remainers when she effectively threw them under the bus.
she effectively threw them under the bus.
Marxist Grandad was never getting in. I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
BLaming Sturgeon is a bit of a reach.
I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
How's that working out for them?
BLaming Sturgeon is a bit of a reach.
You might almost say 'contortion'.
Labour Party are a near irrelevance in Scotland having actively colluded with the Tories in opposing the SNP. If Labour have any hope of Government, they will need to form an alliance with SNP - saying otherwise is deluded nonsense and will condemn Labour to the opposition benches for a long time to come.
WTF Sturgeon has to do with this 100% home-grown little Englander xenophobic jingoistic delusional fantasy is a complete mystery.
But I am missing THM’s naively gullible belief that it’s all being sorted out behind the scenes by some adults. I could really do with some of that right now.
Best case scenario, the UK loses the war as quickly as possible and learns a painful lesson.
Sturgeon is more cautious than ever about indy
Ironic that the hardest of brexits all but guarantees her a stonking majority at Hollyrood & winning indyref2, but means a hard border between Scotland & England.
Either way Johnsons attempts to bully EU are a gift to her
Utterly predictable.
'We' are back where we were always going to be.
Holding a gun to our own head and threatening the EU with an expensive dry cleaning bill.
Childish, petulant, stupid, counterproductive.
Entirely in keeping with the larger 'project', then.
This latest dead cat is still a bluff
It just shows how desperate Johnson is for a deal
He will throw fishing under the bus
But he needs a deal with concessions on state aid, otherwise not Nissan, Airbus etc will leave
It's desperate & I'm not sure it'll work anyway
Read this when I woke up and instantly fell into despair.
What he's doing is guaranteeing a No Deal, setting us up to break international law and making any hope of trading with the EU all but impossible. ANY country that we deal with from January on will want so many legal guarantees, make us give in to painful concessions and view us with a level of distrust that we will be in the international wilderness for at least the next generation.
Boris is a **** and if I ever see him I will gladly punch him until I'm either arrested or my wrists fall off. So angry right now.
Sturgeon isn't pushing Indy because Boris is doing a far better job of handing it to her than she could do talking about it. I think between Covid and Brexit the winter of discontent in the 70's will look decidedly rosy compared to this winter (assuming Boris gets his inept way)
I think describing Boris as inept is being very charitable towards him. He understands the consequences of his decisions he just couldn't give a flying one. This latest is straight out of Trump's playbook.
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Not if my MPs responses to any of my letters of concern are anything to go by...
Resident of NI. Genuinely worried these reports today are true. Very obvious the direction things would go very quickly.
I think describing Boris as inept is being very charitable towards him. He understands the consequences of his decisions he just couldn’t give a flying one. This latest is straight out of Trump’s playbook.
Johnson is a prisoner of his own lies. Just like all liars.
He lies both consciously (to 'get stuff done') but also on the hoof due to his lack of attention to detail.
This is hopefully going to expose him to enough of his support as the charlatan he is.
Marxist Grandad was never getting in. I know people who voted tory for the first time ever because of him.
That's completely missing the point. Boris would never have been able to do what he's doing now with no majority. Sturgeon and Swinson went for an early election out of narrow self-interest. Maybe justified in Sturgeon's case, but a case of mind-bending hubris and naivety from Swinson. They abandoned the remain cause just when they were needed most. If they'd not given in to short term self interest then they could have used the threat of a no confidence vote to stop Boris going for a no deal. And now that remain is defeated due to their politicking, Starmer and labour have even less interest in brexit than Corbyn did. What a result.
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
Has that ship not sailed?
Absolutely all of this is down to the internal Tory division over Europe and where the UK fits into it. Cameron's attempt at resolving this led us to where we are now, and the disaster capitalist lunatic fringe that has agitated for this situation for so long now appears to be in charge, having weaponised stupidity and ignorance to the extent that there no longer appears to be a coherent Tory middle ground rump to rein this in.
We seem to have gone worryingly quickly from "we aren't planning for a No Deal because we'll get a great deal" and "the easiest deal in history" to saying "oh actually, No Deal can still be a good outcome".
At some point, this bluster and bravado has to come home to roost surely?
Is there any evidence there may be an intervention from the Conservative Party to stop where this all appears to be heading?
The Conservative Party is no more. It's been hollowed out. Looking for anyone left in there to act in the national interest, rather then blindly following the Vote Leave team down the rabbit hole, is futile.
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Oh, I see Dazh is still ignoring that Corbyn used nearly every speech and interview he gave to call for an election... it was all the other idiot leaders' fault we had an election in place of a "measure twice, cut once" referendum.
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“oh actually, No Deal can still be a good outcome”
Worse than that... Johnson once called a No Deal outcome "a failure of statecraft" ... and now claims that "it's a good outcome for the UK, as I've said all along".
