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It’s okay, our great new trade deals will help us turn it around… oh…

Fmr Environment Sec George Eustice has spoken about the post-Brexit UK/Australia trade deal in the Commons. He says now no longer a minister: "I no longer have to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed...the Australia deal is not actually a very good trade deal for the UK."

[ source : twitter.com/lewis_goodall ]


 
Posted : 14/11/2022 7:14 pm
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Britain’s stock market has lost its position as Europe’s most-valued

err Covid, Ukraine, Worldwide downturn, Chinese supply issues, a typhoon, gas prices it wasn't our fault!


 
Posted : 14/11/2022 10:56 pm
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Eu could really chuck a spanner in the brexit system by offering free movement to Uk citizens if they can buy a property, support themselves and not claim benfits...

I would off sharpish


 
Posted : 14/11/2022 11:01 pm
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What an absolute shitshow.

Is there anything positive to come from this thus far?

I picked up a can of Brew Dog the other day.... Now brewed in Berlin because importing it from the UK is a ballache.

I'm back in the UK sometime next week.... I'm already dreading it.

Was there in August and it was depressing, but helped by the fact I was dog sitting (good excuse to walk to the pub), my family weren't there (hence the dog sitting) and the weather was good.

This time round none of that applies.

Short days, shitty weather and my sister inviting the (leave voting) aunties around is going to make for some awkward moments.

One saving grace this time round at least is that we're coming with the van so can leave and disappear into the countryside for a few nights before it gets too much. The second saving grace is that the GF can't stay for more than 90 days... Can't see us staying much beyond Xmas...


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 12:12 am
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The absolute shit show that is Brexit is making the news more and more thankfully.

Going to become much harder to disguise what a mess it is behind covid and the energy crisis as the EU recovers and grows far faster than us.


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 12:18 am
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Eu could really chuck a spanner in the brexit system by offering free movement to Uk citizens if they can buy a property, support themselves and not claim benfits…

I would off sharpish

TBH that’s more than what us ‘residents’ get we still have the 90/180 thing with countries other than our host.

But if you can prove you can support yourself you can still come over,it’s just a lot more than when you were in the club.


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 7:50 am
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Perhaps a good change emerging?
Who knew that freedom of movement benefitted everyone….

Isn't this just so Dave and Barbara, who didn't want to apply for residential visas or a change in nationality, can spend more time at their Villa pumping their pensions into the Spanish economy? It's a rather specifically targeted exemption for wealthier British retirees that want to spend more than half their year living in the sunnier parts of the EU...

TBH I think the Brexiteers should actually be fighting this sort of thing, Dave and Barbara should be spending their money in Blighty if they're not willing to make a change to their nationality or residential status, not letting the Spanish bend the rules on their behalf.

Freedom of movement was a two way thing when we were in and sadly it's removal has to be as well.


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 8:35 am
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Freedom of movement was a two way thing when we were in and sadly it’s removal has to be as well.

TBH it’s the usual quality Brexit deal, a Spanish person can spend 6 months on hols in the U.K. go home a day and return for another 6 months rinse and repeat.

None of that 90 days nonsense for them 🙂


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 2:37 pm
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I picked up a can of Brew Dog the other day…. Now brewed in Berlin because importing it from the UK is a ballache.

Brewdog meets German purity rules?


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 2:49 pm
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Yet another ‘you couldn’t make this shit up’ moment to add to the lengthening list tge Brexiteers have gifted the nation

I’m need that will come as a huge shock to us all: Liz Truss was a crap trade negotiator and the deals she made were extremely bad for the UK economy

Well, who’d have thunk it?

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1592273087269339136?s=46&t=vLE5JtKZjgfiXv08sU9gNw


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 2:55 pm
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I don't remember Eustice arguing against Truss deals with Oz and NZ when they were agreed.


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 3:29 pm
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oh dear

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1592141677426520065?cxt=HHwWgsDRsfGatpgsAAAA

#takingbackcontrol


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 3:43 pm
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Free private storage for Audi and BMW drivers but people who can't afford cars will still have to pay a fortune for bus fares or taxi rides to some out of town public transport desert that passes as a health facility.

It's always free parking for nurses, never free parking for cleaners, security staff, IT support, canteen staff, mortuary workers or all the other folk who make hospitals work.

How about free car storage for lowest paid hospital workers, and an equivalent cash payment for those who don't or won't use publicly subsidised private car storage. Or reduced private car storage charges for car sharers. Or god forbid the health authority starts to actively engage with local authority transport depts on planning public transport links around staff shift times, car pooling, park and rides etc etc

Private car use is a public health disaster. Health services need to recognise that and plan to minimise it especially in and around their own facilities . Easier said than done given the ridiculous inbuilt biases our society has around private car use but there we are.


 
Posted : 15/11/2022 3:51 pm
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The penny has dropped, most Brexiteers i know "just dont want to talk about it"


 
Posted : 16/11/2022 11:14 pm
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Finally Brexit is getting a big mention on question time.


 
Posted : 17/11/2022 11:55 pm
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Ah well the failly express did a mention of the

'Shameful' driving licence situation means British expats can't drive in Spain 'shambles!

Just a day before the announcement that it’s pretty much sorted apart from the rubber stamping on both sides.(which probably won’t be rapid)

Only been from May( 7 months), good to see they have their finger on the pulse 🙂


 
Posted : 19/11/2022 12:53 pm
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Probabably something that should have been handled in the transition period by our government but another headline about the nasty Spanish (whose licences are recognised in the U.K.) 🙂


 
Posted : 19/11/2022 12:56 pm
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This rather shows just how much the brexit ultras have taken over the Tory party and just how much power they have grabbed

Anyone with any sense including the majority of the citizens of the UK know we need to have a much better and closer relationship with the EU but those lunatics seem to have the tories under their thumb

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/20/hardline-brexiters-voice-fears-over-reports-of-swiss-style-eu-deal


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 8:12 pm
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The Tory party effectively morphed into UKIP years ago. Now they think that even that’s a bit lefty and namby pamby so they’re aiming to become the National Front

Whoever it is who’s nominally leader of the party this week has to placate the headbangers, but you just can’t reason with fruitloops like John Redwood. No concession will be enough until we’ve recommenced the carpet bombing of Dresden

Unfortunately, this countries economic decline will continue until someone addresses the elephant in the room and we reach some kind of agreement with the EU over access to the single market and customs Union.

No chance of that happening with these loons in charge though


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 8:24 pm
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The Tories are harder line than UKIP. UKIP was in favour of a Norway or Swizerland trade deal the Tories now won't consider. From the 2015 UKIP manifesto:

We do not have to be members of the EU in order to trade
with the EU, or any other country. More than sixty non-EU
countries have trade deals with the EU. In 2013, the top
twenty of these, countries such as Switzerland, Norway,
Hong Kong, Canada, Nigeria, Mexico and Australia,

and

Being in the EU is no guarantee of greater financial rewards
than being out in terms of trade: non-EU Switzerland, with
an economy one-quarter the size of ours, exports four and a
half times more to the EU, per capita, than the UK does.

from here:


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 8:38 pm
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From the 2015 UKIP manifesto:

Pretty much all the brexiteer loons were only claiming that at the time.
Its only once they scraped a victory that it suddenly became the will of the people to go for an ultra hard exit.
They knew they could only fool people so much.


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 8:58 pm
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Bait and switch.


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 9:01 pm
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Have we done the genuinely beautiful moment where Martin Daubney is physically unable to say that 55% of voters in a GBeebies Twitter poll are against Brexit? 🙂

https://twitter.com/jemmaforte/status/1594271852934959105?s=20&t=mJVqpSNHnaDcwbCCtEot-g


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 9:37 pm
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It's not often you see a human being bluescreen is it?


 
Posted : 20/11/2022 11:06 pm
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TBH what’s a remainiac, sounds like the ‘we won get over it’ lot just can’t give up on it.

They don’t look appy thou 🙂


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 8:31 am
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It’s always worth checking in with John Redwood to experience the full paranoid unhinged alternative universe these headbangers live in

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1594574203218526208?s=46&t=J1R48ndCP0XNXrJFbIaXVQ

It would appear that there are a couple of saner voices in the Tory party prepared to try and re-engage with reality, but they’ve no chance while these loons are holding court


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 11:14 am
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Thinking out loud then, if Labour stand on a "Swiss style" option, it should appease many of the Brexit protest votes from 2019, LibDems may do a deal as it moved towards their aims to rejoin, and should isolate the Tories as the true party of "watch us punch ourselves in the nuts"?


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 11:54 am
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@ MCTD - do you really think that any shift by Labour towards a Swiss style Brexit option will encourage the Red Wall back to Labour? And any said shift won’t be seized upon by the right wing Tory press to bash Labour as an anti Brexit party?


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 12:13 pm
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The same forces that pushed brexit are still there and still ruthless about lying


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 12:17 pm
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Labour would need to do an election pact with the limp dems and the SNP to ensure no tory majority to get that thru. do it on their own they would lose.

That would mean standing down in multiple of the other parties target seats / giving the SNP a free run at the one remaining scots tory

Stand on a platform of rejoin and constitutional reform. We would never have a tory government again


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 12:19 pm
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Have we done the genuinely beautiful moment where Martin Daubney is physically unable to say that 55% of voters in a GBeebies Twitter poll are against Brexit?

I don't normally watch that kind of car-crash stuff but this time I did, and it's sodding hilarious, like a well-scripted comedy sketch.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 1:19 pm
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Stand on a platform of rejoin and constitutional reform. We would never have a tory government again

I'm good with that


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 3:34 pm
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Who needs answers, when you have your belief in Brexit to fall back on and the desperate to attack as a distraction…

https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1594672776639651841?s=21


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 6:56 pm
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Sunak "believes" in Brexit.

That's what it amounts to isn't it, you just have to believe hard enough.

The denial of how sh*t it is still amazes me.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:03 pm
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Some of us have given up clicking Twitter links since Musk bought it, Kelvin. There are alternative ways to get news:

https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/21/brexit-is-delivering-says-sunak-as-uk-pm-rejects-any-alignment-with-eu-laws


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:17 pm
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what i thought i heard last night was that 1 in 4 pensioners have a million in assets! I'd imagine the prime Brexit stock won't be as worried as the young.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:21 pm
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Thinking out loud then, if Labour stand on a “Swiss style” option

Why waste their and our time? Neither the Swiss nor EU like the current arrangements. It isn't going to happen, even before we shit the bed and walked away from the best deal we all ready had. When we rejoin it will be as a full Euro using, Schengen member nothing else will be acceptable to our near neighbours.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:22 pm
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what i thought i heard last night was that 1 in 4 pensioners have a million in assets!

Thats what property inflation has done. I would bet the vast majority of that is tied up in a single property and also a value for the pension pot. It doesn't mean you have much of an income or a rising income


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:29 pm
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nothing else will be acceptable to our near neighbours.

The Swiss type deal was offered last year and was acceptable to your neighbours.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:43 pm
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There are alternative ways to get news:

I wasn’t posting news, I was posting commentary in the form of a video.

Here’s YouTube if you want:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkMyo4oHsU

But YouTube, Facebook, Twitter… anywhere this stuff is shared is utterly compromised. Something many of us warned of when the web was turned into privately owned silos. What’s your alternative?


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 7:50 pm
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Googling (well quanting in fact) got me a choice of about 10 French media and half a dozen English ones of which Euronews wasn't behind a pay wall so I linked that. None of them was more compromised than Twitter with the possible exception of the Daily Mail's YouTube channel.

I've never been much of a fan of Twitter because the stuff that's shared often lacks any grounding in reality - twitter twaddle, opinionated bollocks, spin it, twist it... . You're fairly selective in the Twitter stuff you chose to link and I respect you for that, Kelvin. However, now Musk owns it I really don't want to add my clicks.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 8:04 pm
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Where should people post and share political commentary videos? I wasn’t posting a news item.

I share your concerns about Musk, but what services should people use instead? I don’t consider YouTube or Facebook as any less of a concern than Twitter is at the moment, just under less daily scrutiny. It’s all a mess.


 
Posted : 21/11/2022 8:05 pm
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