Anyway… lots of TV and film gets made in the UK using money from abroad. One of the reasons these shows are made here is they (used to) be European content as far as other European countries were concerned.
I was thinking of the French castle in ‘Merlin’, we used to make stuff over there as well.
I drive a pickup..:(
Thing is, Molgrips, people watch trash that is bad for them and society in the same way as they eat trash that is bad for them and society.
So you're the culture police now? Are you Mary Whitehouse in disguise?
I'd put this in the 'lose/lose' category.
role models European society doesn’t need.
Uh-huh. Have a guess which European country is McDonalds biggest market? and has more restaurants per head than any other European country? I think your fellow country men love a bit of the 'ole US role models...
I think Ed is aware of that, and presumably it's why he supports controls on media imports, to either reduce or slow the speed of that adoption of USA "values". There is going to be a big old battle between the EU and the USA media players (especially those not dependent on broadcast networks) over the next decade or so. It's why Facebook hired someone who knows how the EU operates (Clegg) to operate internationally for them (plus some key hires aimed at lobbying individual states). We're at best on the outside of that battle now, but taking on damage due to a lack of trust and reciprocation... or at worst we'll be seen as being on the "other" side and are about to be frozen out more and more.
I just assumed they'd got annoyed at the terrible accents in allo allo
Peaky Blinders
was essentially
a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other,
pick-up
1930's running board
trucks,
steroid
cocaine
and
plastic enhanced
booze addled
people
; role models European society doesn’t need.
There is going to be a big old battle between the EU and the USA media players (especially those not dependent on broadcast networks) over the next decade or so
That horse has bolted already and is over the hill and in the next village. The US (for better or worse) has been the dominate cultural influence for the last 80 years or so. That isn't going to stop.
The US (for better or worse) has been the dominate cultural influence for the last 80 years or so. That isn’t going to stop.
That is absolutely true... it is not going to stop... but quoting myself... some will try to...
either reduce or slow the speed of that
No country is going to undo it, and nor can anything the EU does. They aren't going to just shrug and do nothing though.
That isn’t going to stop.
What you do is invest in your own output and make that something that people want to watch. There will always be some US output, of course, and there should be - we should be watching stuff from all over the world. And I think that people are starting to watch more foreign media than they used to but I don't have stats for that.
It's not either or. Both the EU and individual countries have many funding schemes for TV and film. But they also place limits/quotas on imports to create space for home grown content. Our productions are now imports. It's protectionism of a sort, and we didn't vote to end it... we voted to be outside it.
We are very clear that the current position of the Protocol is not sustainable, it is causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland and we need to rectify that.
Makes you wonder what else his government has introduced is not sustainable, because of it causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland.
The Protocol is good for NI Business. This FUD from the Conservatives and DUP is taking all the oxygen in the room. The majority of NI voted against Brexit and they still want to be in the EU
When you look at the cultural references, morals, ethics, values and behaviour in American series they are the social equivalents of sugar, glucose-fructose syrup, palm oil… . It’s a succession of people being dicks with each other, shooting each other, deceiving each other, pick-up trucks, steroid and plastic enhanced people; role models European society doesn’t need. We can do better.
*scratches head*
Best tell Luc Besson that.
The Protocol is good for NI Business.
Indeed. Brexit is disruptive (that is the real point of it), and the NIP is a group of measures aimed at reducing that disruption for NI without Britain having to stay aligned with Ireland and the rest of the EU in key areas. It is not the fault of the NIP that it can only reduce not eliminate the disruption of the Brexit that Lewis’ government has forced on an unwilling NI.
We are very clear that the current position of the Protocol is not sustainable, it is causing issues for businesses and consumers and citizens in Northern Ireland and we need to rectify that.
I'd be asking them for the actual evidence of these 'issues'.
If there's apparently no issue with our exports into the EU then what are the UK Govt doing wrong in respect of NI?
I think your fellow country men love a bit of the ‘ole US role models…
I don't think any of us want:
US levels of crime, especially gun crime. 666/100 100 in US jails, 103/100 000 in France.
An absence of fresh fruit and veg in many stores
An epedemic of obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease... .
Unaffordable health care/insurance because at present I don't have health insurance yet get trated promptly and well.
US levels of pollution and emissions.
Bigger, heavier vehicles with flat fronts that seem to be designed for maximum damage to pedestrains and cyclists.
God squad morals between the gun shots.
Where I perhaps differ from many here is that when I watch American productions I notice the product placement, I notice the political agenda and I find it all dangerous propaganda that undermines our humanist, enlightened values.
In my opinion the UK Government are using the Protocol as leverage for the passporting of the City Of London Financial Services. The Conservatives don't give a toss about NI really.
The UK has no leverage, the EU won't give stuff away such as passporting, that would get a veto, sanctions are the obvious route. It's how the US and EU have been working together for years, the EU knows how to dish out and live with sanctions.
Don't forget that 27 countires have to agree on any changes, that means no change.
Yeah but they need us more than we need them..or something 😀
The Conservatives don’t give a toss about NI really
NI was always considered expendable. Even the most hardline, thick as mince DUP voter must realise by now that they've been sold dow the river big-time by Boris and chums
Where I perhaps differ from many here
Come on. You're pushing at an open door here with most of the US's issues you've cited.
The UK has no leverage, the EU won’t give stuff away such as passporting, that would get a veto, sanctions are the obvious route
this - the only leverage the UK has is to threaten peace on the island or ireland. what sanctions can the UK put on the EU? Nothing that will not harm the UK more than the EU
I love the idea from frost and co that the NI protocol has to be changed. It doesn't. Its a legally binding treaty that the EU and the UK negotiated. EU says no renegotiation - thats it. takes two to tango
this – the only leverage the UK has is to threaten peace on the island or ireland. what sanctions can the UK put on the EU? Nothing that will not harm the UK more than the EU
From day one it has been a tantrum where the ranting imbecile has held a gun to his own head whilst standing next to an adult and threatening them with an expensive dry cleaning bill. The adult has said numerous times "you really don't want to do that", but the tantrum is strong.
I see roaming charges are back on the menu
Sigh
If we’re tired we watch German because it means an earlier night.
This is a funny sentence.
So - HMS Defenders well publicized run in with the Russians...
It looks to be too good of a photo op / newspaper front page opportunity to be accidental in any way.
There's surely no way the Russians would have started an actual fight over this, it's posturing on both sides. We're not going to make an inroads against Russia.
All of which makes me think it's purely a ploy for some nationalistic front pages. Very 1984. War is Peace and all that. It's happening. Sigh.
I think yesterday's action, while handy for timings and headlines, is part of a wider international effort to remind Russia where legally defined international waters are.
It looks to be too good of a photo op / newspaper front page opportunity to be accidental in any way.
Strangely convenient that the Mail had a reporter on deck...
BBC did too by all accounts. Makes me wonder how short the Navy is on staff that they needed so many journalists to help out.
the warship incident is clearly deliberate by the UK navy. Setting a course in waters they know are disputed
So when is Russia turning over the two Salisbury novichok suspects again?
Hahaha haha.
Edit:
Might it be when the US hand over Anne Sacoolas?
If only we were in a collective of like-minded states which, whilst not being big enough to really stand up to the big boys, could at least modify their behaviour a bit.
the warship incident is clearly deliberate by the UK navy. Setting a course in waters they know are disputed
I think that's the point - freedom of navigation exercise.
No - the point clearly was to generate headlines in the tory press stating how tough Johnson awwas acting and how butch we are
at lest 2 journalists on board, happens on a very convenient day for the tories
its obvious its a deliberate provocation to get headlines favourable to tories.
I agree - we keep going for a) oh look an otter and b) check out my Union Jack waving credentials
Bloody foreigners coming over here using their data plans and free minutes on our networks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57595913
Exactly.
That deal that didn’t need properly scrutinising, or any mid-pandemic transition period extension to improve on…
https://twitter.com/marc_limon/status/1408102228041375747?s=21
Five years and we still don’t have an answer as to how we have our full fat Brexit and allow the people of NI to keep their carefully carved out dual allegiance and supply chains.
"Brexit deal never made sense, PM to tell EU."
EU27 to tell PM, we've been telling you this for five years you ****ing roaster.
And that from the Torygraph, christ, is this what we've come to? It'll be the Daily Mail turning next.
Downing Street has tried not to be drawn into a row over the restrictions. “Currently it is down to individual EU member states to decide on the rules governing their borders,” a No 10 spokesperson said on Thursday.
But.... but..... you spent years telling us..... ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Where's that facepalm gif?
Frost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
And that from the Torygraph, christ, is this what we’ve come to? It’ll be the Daily Mail turning next.
I think it would be good for more of the press to be pulling Brexit apart. Time to hold up the mirror for some.
Yep, I just read Frost's comments with incredulity. I can believe that they didn't care or didn't think it would matter but to suggest that that didn't know it would happen just beggars belief. Either they are much more stupid than even I thought or they think that we are.
