I think it's genuinely come as a surprise to Frost and all the others, that the EU are prepared to put aside national interests for their common good. It was certainly not the outcome they envisaged.
Relations within the EU can get quite sour. That is rather the point of the thing, the institutional structure and built-in inertia of it is what means that countries can exist and work in a mutually beneficial co-operative relationship even when they hate each other.
I recall way back in (probably) late 2016, listening to an episode of From Our Own Correspondent where the BBC's woman in Germany was reflecting on national characteristics and in particular the German tendency towards straight talking. She was observing the machinations in Westminster where politicians and top civil servants were debating what true meaning lay behind Angela Merkel's negotiating position, and where the real 'red lines' might be. To paraphrase: "Yes, you do know what she means. Just listen to what she says - she's German!"
5 years on, and our glorious leaders still haven't learned that basic lesson. 🙁
it is what means that
countriesgovernments can exist and work in a mutually beneficial co-operative relationship even whentheytheir politicians hate each other
That’s not a correction (you are bang on), it’s just using your sentiments to make a slightly different point. One which our government is only just working out. Shared institutions are very difficult to make work in the interests of all countries. None of the issues they grapple with go away once you are outside them though, the difficult work still needs doing, just without the shared structures, treaties and staff to help do so. What once seemed intractably difficult actually becomes even tougher. Any problem you could point to when we were EU members is still there, and we will still need to deal with other governments to smooth them out, but without the (slow, frustrating and by their very nature very compromised) shared tools being in the EU gave our government access to.
Frost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
If only somebody has raised the issue at the time. Unfortunately nobody did, and who could honestly have seen it coming?
Either they are much more stupid than even I thought or they think that we are.
For the answer to that question, I'll refer you to the wit and wisdom of the Brexit minister Dominic Raab
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1060544228097449985?s=20
As thick as a submarine door
Bloody foreigners coming over here using their data plans and free minutes on our networks.
I suspect most won't realise the upgrading bit until it happens..
Asked what success would look like in 10 years’ time, Frost said it was a world in which “we’ve settled into a more normal relationship with the EU … one where we have gone our own way in a number of areas and succeeded … nobody is questioning Brexit. It was self-evidently the right thing to do.”
He knows he is taking the piss, right?
It was self-evidently the right thing to do.
Brexit means Brexit.
Brexit was the right thing to do because Brexit.
I fully expect some bellend to trot out the line that "It was worth it to everyone what a nasty bunch the EU are".
Too many knuckle-dragging halfwits in this country, unfortunately.
Does anyone think the DUP will cotton on? Or are they pushing for a hard border on the island?
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1408852220683108352?s=21
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Linky no work.
matt_outandabout
Full MemberFrost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”
"I had no idea of the impact that leaving my wife would have on relations with my wife"
I fully expect some bellend to trot out the line that “It was worth it to everyone what a nasty bunch the EU are”.
Just get on Twitter, loads of "was a remainer but now a leaver after seeing what the EU has done to us" accounts & tweets.
I reckon pretty much 99% of them are bots and the like.
“I had no idea of the impact that leaving my wife would have on relations with my wife”
That's not a bad analogy. You've left your wife for the freedom to strike up great new relationships, but didn't have any lined up and are now complaining that you can't get a shag on a Sunday morning whilst bigging up how great a J Arthur is. "Why are you punishing me?!"
Germans have a word for the UK's situation.
Schadenfreude
I reckon pretty much 99% of them are bots
Or fail the reverse Turing test, of being indistinguishable from a bot.
Brexit 2020+
Cougar
Full MemberThat’s not a bad analogy.
TBH it's barely even an analogy, it's a samethingology. He played a key part in breaking the relationship then says he's confused that the relationship he helped break is broken.
Bruce Dickinson of Irony Maiden?
https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1409443643371438083
Back in 2018, Dickinson told the French news magazine L'Obs that he was "quite relaxed about the idea" of the United Kingdom separating from the European Union, explaining that he thought Brexit would make Britain "more flexible" and that "Brexit actually opens our borders
….”
Bruce Dickinson didn't vote to be disadvantaged, just other people.
#schadenfreude
The bloke is a knucklehead made 'good'. Why would anyone give any credence to what he says?
Like Ian Botham - a rural dipstick who had one talent and happened to be in the right place at the right time.
He's full of shit. Botham is full of shit.
Stick to the one thing you are good at lads, and keep your gobs shut in the meantime.
Stick to the one thing you are good at lads,
Is that being a front man for the one of the world's most successful rock groups, or flying 747s, or competing internationally at fencing? Bloody talentless thicko.
#runtothehills, it appears you’ve upset a maiden fan…………
Four F's - first find the f'kin facts...
Gotta say, I'm shocked at Dickinson. I'd no idea, I always thought he was hugely intelligent.
Bloody talentless thicko.
I'm not commenting on Bruce here but rather the logic. To wit, it is quite possible to be a talented thicko.
A lad I went to school with was in the remedial classes in the year below me. After school he went on to become a brickie like all the other 'thickos'. The last time I saw him he'd have been in his early- to mid-40s, and he'd just retired. Who's the thicko now, hm?
Weren't they supposed to have closed the factory by now??
I recall the posts saying...Nissan are leaving etc; also recall saying it would not happen.
At what cost though, what have the government given them to make it happen.
Is that being a front man for the one of the world’s most successful rock groups, or flying 747s, or competing internationally at fencing? Bloody talentless thicko.
It's almost as if it's more complicated than stupid people = Brexit. Although I'd have thought all the highly intelligent remainers on here would've understood that 😉
Is mdavids still hanging around waiting for one of the grownups to make a mistake?
Well, you got your wish. I had no idea Dickinson had any other talents whatsoever. Hope you enjoy your second/third awesome victory of the last five years....
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It’s almost as if it’s more complicated than stupid people = Brexit.
On average it is that simple, though. There are exceptions to most rules.
Does anyone know what Dickinson's reasons were?
I don’t know, but it sounds as if this isn’t quite the Brexit he voted for though.
Battery plant story has been circulating for a while now, let’s hope Nissan do come through and announce it this week. Would be very welcome news.
Is mdavids still hanging around waiting for one of the grownups to make a mistake?
Well, you got your wish. I had no idea Dickinson had any other talents whatsoever. Hope you enjoy your second/third awesome victory of the last five years….
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Stay classy.
At what cost though, what have the government given them to make it happen.
There were certainly massive tax breaks to secure Nissan at Sunderland back at the beginning, so it wouldn't be a surprise if it was more of the same.
Stay classy.
Doubling down on a mistake. I thought the few resident Brexiteers would admire me for it.
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I'm not going to 'Brexiteer' standard step three, though, so no threats of violence or suggestions of sexual impropriety with relatives....
Same Chinese group, Envission, has also confirmed an investment in Douai to supply the same group (Renault-Nissan) with batteries:
It’s almost as if it’s more complicated than stupid people = Brexit. Although I’d have thought all the highly intelligent remainers on here would’ve understood that 😉
C'mon Ben, you're better than this. You're generally the voice of reason, you know that's not a majority opinion. That's a lazy shot.
is it really more complex than that tho? I have not seen anything but stupid arguements for brexit.
C’mon Ben, you’re better than this. You’re generally the voice of reason, you know that’s not a majority opinion. That’s a lazy shot.
I'm pointing out the dangers of stereotyping people based on "majority" opinions or "averages". I thought it a fairly good example.
And pertinent to the thread, it's lazy and inaccurate to pin Brexit entirely on simple stupidity.
Is mdavids still hanging around waiting for one of the grownups to make a mistake?
Well, you got your wish. I had no idea Dickinson had any other talents whatsoever. Hope you enjoy your second/third awesome victory of the last five years….
Sorry didn't mean to trigger you. It's just your intellectual superiority shtick wears a bit thin after a while, don't get upset when you get called out on your lack of knowledge
it’s lazy and inaccurate to pin Brexit entirely on simple stupidity.
I agree that it's wrong to stereotype, I think many folks who voted for Brexit (and many of those who promoted it) who are otherwise intelligent people; stupidly thought it would be simple.
There were certainly massive tax breaks to secure Nissan at Sunderland back at the beginning, so it wouldn’t be a surprise if it was more of the same.
And let's take a look at BritishVolt and its Giga Factory, named specifically to extract the maximum amount of money out of British taxpayers...
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/work-blyth-car-battery-gigafactory-20831437
"Prof Greenwood said that other countries had provided up to £750 million in subsidy for each gigafactory"
Brexit, taking money from UK taxpayers and moving it into overseas bank accounts.
Hahaha..... CBI calling on government to relax immigration rules so that businesses have enough skilled labour doing the jobs that your average Brit doesn't want to do.
~1.3 million foreign workers left the UK since 2019. Obviously a combination of covid and brexit, but I doubt many of them are going to want to return given how unwelcoming government policy/requirements are for entry.
Still, at least my little nephews have better job prospects now, assuming they want to work as hospital cleaners or deliveroo riders.
Sorry didn’t mean to trigger you. It’s just your intellectual superiority shtick wears a bit thin after a while, don’t get upset when you get called out on your lack of knowledge
Not upset. I now know a bit more about Bruce Dickinson than I did before, so all good.
He's a talented guy, bet he doesn't lurk around on here, not posting, but looking for a slip up.
