Just being realistic peeps, nobody's offering a quick fix, both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
It doesn't matter why people chose to leave, I think I've said that before👍
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Empathy and understanding is needed👌👊
It doesn’t matter why people chose to leave, I think I’ve said that before👍
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Empathy and understanding is needed
Doesn't matter if you burnt your house down for the shits n giggles or if it was infested with cockroaches- you still don't have a house.
Make something better? When jobs are leaving the country & tax revenue is down?
What happened to the Ineos factory in Wales the Brexit backing Ratcliffe was going set up? Oh yes, Grenadier production is now going to France.
Understanding is needed alright for all the clueless numpties that voted for this over and above f***in daft comments you can pick off any cheap motivational poster.
nobody’s offering a quick fix
If we hadn't wilfully smashed it up ourselves, it wouldn't need fixing
Empathy and understanding is needed
Have you seen who's in power? I think those are two words we won't be seeing an awful lot of
10-20years princejohn as I already stated👍 have a read back and catch up.
10-20 years?! Really??? So this is all to benefit the generation who were at school & uni (& massively opposed to leaving the EU?)
Meanwhile those of us who need that 10-20 years to get a pension & retire are pretty much ****ed?!
& the benefits?!
Just being realistic peeps, nobody’s offering a quick fix, both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
That's only because for some reason Labour are afraid to mention Brexit being a bad thing.
Empathy and understanding is needed👌👊
Who are we meant to empathise with? People like me who can't get a job because there aren't any? People who are already realising their business isn't viable because of the extra costs and admin? People who are furloughed and struggling to feed kids whilst knowing their job no longer exists when lockdown is over? Or people who voted Brexit having no bloody clue what they were doing?
You’d think Molgrip’s manifesto would be a vote winner everywhere wouldn’t you?
And yet it only takes a few “bloody communist” headlines in the red tops and the readers vote Tory.
I'm sure there was once a party leader who wanted all that. Pretty sure he was hounded, derided and crucified on the altar of Brexit after being labelled a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite by a party who were proven to have lied in 88% of their advertising at the GE
How did he vote?
Pen to paper like everyone else I expect...
The UK doesn’t like to do impact assessment or GDP forecasts but the Euopeans are quite happy to. EU studies say both sides lose but as you’d expect Britain takes the bigger hit.
This is one of those things that really should be so self-evident that it shouldn't need to be explained (and another one handwaved by a soundbite, "they need us more than we need them!"). We were a bloc of 28 countries. They lost one, we lost 27. Even taking into account tinpot ones like Bulgaria that's still Germany, France, Italy...
How do you expect a tinpot little country like ours to do trade deals vs much larger countries?
Hah, I wrote "tinpot" above literally like a minute before I read this. *Scowls at Alexa suspiciously*
Pen to paper like everyone else I expect…
Are you here all week?
both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU so no options there for a good while.
And you believe them? Do you think they've got a good track record of both honesty and predicting events? If you do then you're dafter than I thought.
It doesn’t matter why people chose to leave, I think I’ve said that before👍
You did, I told you we already know this, and you sneered at me. You are reading your own posts right? You've not got your browser set to write-only have you?
I’m sure there was once a party leader who wanted all that. Pretty sure he was hounded, derided and crucified on the altar of Brexit.
He also spent his entire 'career' railing against the EU at every available opportunity, voted against every single piece of further EU legislation and called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately the morning after the referendum, so probably not the best person to flag up
Ta, Binners, I knew there would be someone else along to type that.
He’s going to lose his house, his boat and his livelihood, I’ll tell him that empathy and understanding is all he needs to get through this, perhaps you would be willing to say that to him?, it’d be the last words uttered from your mouth as he’d **** gut you with a scallop knife.
This exsee is this 'short term' and 'pain' you speak of.
Someone's life in tatters. Hard effort for years and years just thrown away because 'it is a catalyst for change'.
Repeat all over the UK for the next 10+years.
My own organisation is £300k down this year, and the next two through lost Erasmus opportunities. Perhaps you can tell my colleagues who's jobs are up at Easter that they are part of something 'better'.
I am still yet to hear a single concrete benefit or solid opportunity that Brexit brings that we didn't have already before while still in EU.
Please exsee - be specific, be clear - what are the tangible benefits of being outside of the EU, that we did not have before?
Or you are just the biggest troll and wind up we have had on here.
He also spent his entire ‘career’ railing against the EU at every available opportunity, voted against every single piece of further EU legislation and called for Article 50 to be triggered immediately the morning after the referendum, so probably not the best perso
Shhhhh... we only use history that shows us in a positive light. The Tories taught us that much
Or you are just the biggest troll and wind up we have had on here.
Unlikely, that's a ****ing high bar.
Everyone above is making most of the points I want to make to exsee, thankfully. I'm really struggling not to type out a proper rant at him, which is never productive, so I'll stick to this:
I lost my driving job in August. In normal times (ie not a pandemic) I could apply for jobs all over Europe but due to lockdowns etc I couldn't. Come the spring I would be able to do so as everything slowly opens back up. Except I can't as Brexit has now happened, directly removing my right to work anywhere in the EU automatically. That is directly reducing my opportunities to earn a living and buy a house, have holidays etc. So you might think I can get a job in the UK instead. Sadly Brexit has caused a massive issue with transportation into and out of Europe so recruitment is on hold or a lot of companies as they don't have the volume of vehicles going to Europe so all their continental drivers are staying in the UK and working here instead.
Both options for me to make my life better have been directly curtailed due to Brexit. If I have to wait the 10-20 years for the benefits of that to appear then I'm afraid by then I will be hitting 60 years old and well past the point where affording my own home will be a possibility. Brexit is directly destroying my hopes and dreams for my own home in my lifetime. I have friends that are having their businesses and employers finding they need to move operations to mainland Europe so that they can continue to trade profitably, costing the UK jobs and tax income. Thats people of my age (40) having the next decade or more of their lives put on hold or even regressing.
@exsee - Now explain to me how Brexit is good for my future please. As in now, not in 10 years time.
You’d think Molgrip’s manifesto would be a vote winner everywhere wouldn’t you?
And yet it only takes a few “bloody communist” headlines in the red tops and the readers vote Tory.
Indeed. They say 'well that's all well and good but it's pie in the sky, how ever would we pay for it?'
Other countries do it, how do they manage? Perhaps they're just better than we are? And then people have the gall to moan that public services are worse than other countries. FFS.
both main parties saying UK will prosper outside EU
You should be able to recognise that this is a ridiculously vague and wooly statement, it's basically standard politican-speak and means nothing. But I think that you don't WANT to recognise that, you want to believe it.
Other countries do it, how do they manage?
By owning our infrastructure and profiting from it maybe?
Cougar :How did he vote?
How do you think he voted considering 90-95% of his catch was being served up in Spain within 24hrs of being landed?, Shellfish fisherman (mainly west coast) were not as ****ing dumb as the pelagic fleet (mainly east coast).
And whilst I doubt he really would gut you I imagine you would not be recognisable afterwards, £450,000+ in debt with no way to pay it off - yeah...he's pretty angry at the moment.
We can still choose to make something betterer though.
Better than the worst case scenario that could result from Brexit in the first place? Maybe. But not by much if the current shower of bastards are still in charge.
Better than not Brexiting? In less than 50 years? Less than 5% chance. Brexit is a ****ing stupid thing to do. End of.
As for all that faux hippy wind up bullshit about empathy and understanding being all that is needed - utter glib trolling bollocks.
Someone brought up exsee's contributions to threads about BLM and other topics on ethnicity. If I find a bit of spare time I might have a bit of a trawl through. I imagine there are one or two spicy little titbits in there that confirm the picture I am forming in my mind....
@somafunk that is a truly shitty position for your mate to be in. But hey.... we'll have all the same benefits with no downsides eh? Fracking hell, I still can't believe 17.4m fell for that shit
ther countries do it, how do they manage? Perhaps they’re just better than we are?
Having met with colleagues in education all around Europe through Erasmus+ programmes, they are often not as 'better' as we think. The grass is greener and all that.
It also goes to show, that much of what we all want to be 'better' are answered through domestic politics and culture, not through cutting ourselves off from those who are going through similar challenges.
allanoleary : he's not the only one. Approximately 16 boats in our harbour, all tied up, biggest employer in our town is a fish/shellfish processing factory employing 100's, no one working. Alister jack got chased along the harbour last time he came here, probably just as well as he would be strung up.
@somafunk - our Tory MP's husband works in shellfish - I'm guessing he was a big Brexit fan as that's why she got to stand.
Would be interested to know what they think now - actually think not their public persona.
@somafunk - that really is the heart being ripped out of Kirkcudbright then. 🙁
Just awful, and I suspect we have many more such realities to come.
Indeed. They say ‘well that’s all well and good but it’s pie in the sky, how ever would we pay for it?’
I've been wondering this for a couple of years.
Brexit has, so far, cost us more than our entire EU contribution since we joined. Then we've got covid. Where the actual **** is the money coming from? Are we going to have to pay the piper at some point?
our Tory MP’s husband works in shellfish
What does her husband do though? If processing into frozen food, he might be on to a winner long term (unlike those doing the catching or fresh prepping).
Are we going to have to pay the piper at some point?
Depends on what you mean by "we" and "have to"...? "You and I" may well be "made to", judging by who the UK chooses to make such decisions for us.
How do you think he voted considering 90-95% of his catch was being served up in Spain within 24hrs of being landed?, Shellfish fisherman (mainly west coast) were not as **** dumb as the pelagic fleet (mainly east coast).
No idea, 's why I asked. Yeah, I'd be a bit cross as well. Sorry dude.
mattoutandabout : Yeah you know kirkcudbright and this area well so you can imagine what will happen to the town if this bit of a mess is not sorted soon - the entire town relies on fishing.
Depends on what you mean by “we” and “have to”…?
"We" as a country I meant, really. I understand less about economics than I do about quantum physics. We can't just fire up the printing press, surely?
Probably a topic for another thread I suppose.
Nice mod warning received for my comment on the previous page, im just expressing the mood and genuine anger at such a glib comment from exsee, perhaps I do need to show more "empathy and understanding" - is there a specific government empathy and understanding" reassignment and re-education group I could attend?
Probably a topic for another thread I suppose.
For sure. One for Dazh to run and run with...
im just expressing the mood and genuine anger
Understandable. But using the language of violence isn't useful, is it? And can escalate.
Forget about it.
is there a specific government empathy and understanding” reassignment and re-education group I could attend?
No, but there will be a highly paid, unqualified minister for it soon
Understandable. But using the language of violence isn’t useful, is it? And can escalate.
To he fair, somebody is deliberately baiting people severely hit by Brexit by glibly chanting "rainbows and unicorns are just round the corner, la-la-la". I think the attitude of the troll needs censure more than that of the trolled.
What does her husband do though? If processing into frozen food, he might be on to a winner long term (unlike those doing the catching or fresh prepping).
I thought he was an Oyster fisherman given her first speech in parliament -
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mp-cherilyn-mackrorys-first-speech-3893898
However given that her first speech was given a year ago - this website is interesting...
http://www.nickmackrory.co.uk/
Having met with colleagues in education all around Europe through Erasmus+ programmes, they are often not as ‘better’ as we think. The grass is greener and all that.
Of course, I've worked and lived in a few of the places I admire, and they aren't without issues. However, the fundamental concept of society is different, and whilst the execution of ideas may not be ideal, the will to give money for the common good generally is. This is a huge issue for me.
It also goes to show, that much of what we all want to be ‘better’ are answered through domestic politics and culture, not through cutting ourselves off from those who are going through similar challenges.
Exactly.
Can finally say this, but my 50% boss has decided to quit the UK, in no small part thanks to brexit- he's Italian, wife is Spanish & resented being forced to apply for citizenship in a country he'd made his home.
Will be taking his lab & research back to Italy
big blow to cancer research in UK
But give it 10-20 years 🙄
https://humantechnopole.it/en/news/head-of-computational-biology-appointed/
But surely an unemployed fisherman can just retrain to take over in that cancer research job? That's how it works now isn't it?
Not the first, not the last. Glad he has a new position that sounds like it's tailor made for him. Good luck to him. Sorry for all those impacted by his move away (and very sad about what it signifies as regards the changing UK).
Cougar
Full MemberPen to paper like everyone else I expect…
Are you here all week?
You were reaching for that hammer, weren't you!
Don't worry Somafunk, some of us know the difference between fantasy and reality and just smiled.
Whilst your mate is tied up a quai junior's mate who owns a restaurant on Ile d'Oleron is wondering where the hell he's going to get some of the ingredients on his shellfish menu from, if he's still in business after Covof that is.
I'd quite like some Scotish seafood on the menu and I assume you'd like Jurançon wines on the shelves of your local winery (you'd be teatotal or a fool if you didn't). So many losers in this sorry affaire.
Cost wise for my business due to Brexit is limited to 2 clients due to them moving IT services back to the EU value probably £35k or a salary....
£35k is not that much buy multiply it by 100,000 SMEs that comes to 3.5 billion per annum? 675 million a week or 130 million less tax.... each week
pondo,
It's not a unicorn, it's a donkey with a dildo stuck on its head.
