10-20years princejohn as I already stated👍 have a read back and catch up.
Ahh a lifetime, the world can change overnight you may have noticed.
Could be a miserable lifetime for some but the greater good that future nirvanas gonna bring could do with a few more brush strokes to help us less imaginative types imagine it 🙂
Will there be giant robots in it.
It’s not a unicorn, it’s a donkey with a dildo stuck on its head.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Go on then, let's hear the positives, real, actual ones not just things that you've been told might happen.
I don't think I'm saying anything controversial at all. The rebuild is going to take time and effort, if you don't accept this then there will definitely be someone less altruistic along to capitalise on the suffering.
What's next is the important point, we can choose to help those caught up in the collateral damage or we can sit back and watch the poverty levels increase just like we did before brexit was ever mentioned💩
Just to flip all the silly questions and pretend outrage for a mo.
What's 'YOUR' plan batman?
I can't sort this on my tod. I will carry on doing my bit for society at a grass roots level but would happily get behind some bigger projects.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
We apply to rejoin the EU forthwith. Fixes all the issues we've created and allows us to have an internal discussion about managing our borders/immigration properly. Simple.
No what's yours, champ?
Seems you have little to gain or loose in this brexit thing exsee... "A typical" brexit voter i guess.
Anyway i am sitting in the "watch poverty rise" camp.
Current Tory Manifesto
The way to crush the working poor is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
Slightly modified Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
Hope you aren't between the stones exsee
What's my plan? Typical European me, write off a small loss, pick up a few minor gains in car production, financial trading, real estate demand, tax revenue... shrug and sing "another turning point, a fork stuck in the road...".
Edit: for all those who want to rejoin I suggest a progressive approach. Customs union and free trade area first.
I think we'd all feel better if we just ignored the troll. He's doing pretty much exactly what he did a month or so ago. Calls us 'know it alls', makes vague gnomic statements about building a better world but gives absolutely no details. Everyone reacts and he's happy, job done. Let's just stop feeding him - please?
I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial at all.
No, just gormless. Which is a bit unusual TBH, I think you're the first one I've ever seen use words like "altruistic" and "catalyst," let alone spell them correctly.
Just to flip all the silly questions and pretend outrage for a mo.
"silly"?
"pretend"?
20 years of the country being screwed over, by your own description? And you think this is a ****ing game? You're trying to goad me into getting a ban, aren't you.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
My plan for me, or my plan to fix brexit?
For me personally, I'll probably be less affected than most. I've got a €50 note pinned to my noticeboard which I'm planning on retiring on.
For fixing it, not our problem Robin, it's yours. You created a situation which required a 'plan' in the first place, it's a bit late in the day to start wondering what that might be. The plan should have been in place and watertight before the referendum.
I've spent the last few years desperately trying to avert a crisis and been shouted down over and over by the "we won you lost get over it" brigade. I tried, it's too late now, I'm done. You broke it, you come up with the plan.
I can’t sort this on my tod.
If you came up with a credible plan you'd almost certainly garner support from both sides. You could reunite the country! What've you got?
Oh yes, we've already established this. Absolutely nothing.
I will carry on doing my bit for society
What's that, then?
So yet more non answers from @exsee. Nothing but drivel and droning.
Do you at least accept that "short term pain" means jobs lost and families being made homeless? Will you explain to them how it is worth it for what they will get 10-20 years down the line? Maybe even bung them a fiver to put towards a tent to replace the one the local council just scooped up and threw into landfill?
As for rebuilding.... we shouldn't have to. The leave campaign led by our current PM promised all the same benefits, in fact a better deal than being in a preferential deal better than any other EU member. Then as PM he spaffed everything up the wall. But hey, him and his buddies will be fine. They are wealth creators (takers/hoarders). As long as they can say GDP is recovering then rising all is good in the UK. Except it isn't. Because pretty soon hundreds of thousands will be jobless. They will mainly be made jobless from lower wage jobs. So losing 1,000 low paid workers' tax income will be no worse than losing 1 CEO job from a FTSE 100 company. The country can cope. But those 1,000 families can't. Poverty is going to get worse. Suicides will rise. Children will go hungry whilst mourning a parent or uncle or aunt. But hey, in 10-20 years their life in a tent under a bridge will have been worth it.
In the meantime with £7bn a week (correct me if I'm wrong) in City trade being lost to the EU and all the jobs disappearing the government won't be able to afford to fund the NHS. It will be privatised more and more with fees or insurance necessary to get treatment. It will become the preserve of the well off, the wealth "creators" to get medical care. That checkout person who just took payment for your shopping... she has a diabetic kid that she can't afford insulin for. But that's fine cos in 10-20 years they'll see how great things have become. All they need to do is believe in the change just that little bit more right?
Sorry for the above rant everyone... I'm just a smidgen vexed at the moment.
to rejoin I suggest a progressive approach. Customs union and free trade area first.
TBh I think this is inevitable, we will rejoin step by step as each **** up becomes to unbearable for the country.
The cons already talking about 'renegotiating the deal', is the first step..
Here is what my plan is Exsee
I am going to fix it by getting my kids Irish passports and voting independence for Scotland as (selfish as it may seem) I am firmly looking after me and my own. I am too old to get any good use from my unicorn (if we are talking 10-20 years) so luckily I have a decent pension and some cash so might just start cashing in on the disaster (well if you can't beat them join them) sorry if it all comes across as a bit harsh but I never wanted any of this and certainly never voted for it so if you are wanting me to pull together for the sake of the UK (and all the mugs that fell for Johnsons lies) then you can count me out.
£7bn a week
thats the trading numbers not the profits IIRC
The cons already talking about ‘renegotiating the deal’, is the first step..
FFS that'll send a great signal to other countries we want to trade with.
"So, this deal we're signing, when do we expect you back 'cos you don't like it?"
hundreds of thousands will be jobless
And when their jobs go, so will others that support them- bit like not realising that shutting pits in the 80s didn't just affect the miners but people in all the businesses that supplied the pits and shops in the villages.
Helping at grass roots? Yeah, you hammered frozen sausages into our lawn and now you're kindly sowing grass seeds. Thank you very much you *********************************
Here is what my plan is Exsee
Mine:
I am going to continue calling out the brexshitters fior the lies and damage they have done at every possible opportunity. I am going to vote for Scots independence and am seriously considering moving to the netherlands to regain my EU citizenship
“So, this deal we’re signing, when do we expect you back ‘cos you don’t like it?”
I have a feeling Barnier already has a timetable in mind and won't need any input from us!
I started my application for special ID card, as a beneficiary of the WA in Belgium. So that's my major change. I'll have a very peculiar status here, which will secure my right to remain but cause hassle when applying for jobs, loans or travelling as the status will be poorly understood.
I've stopped shopping online with UK stores. The local British shops have no stock and have closed until they receive deliveries from Ireland. They used to get Botham's cakes, which was a nice treat as I grew up 100m from their first bakery. I like Belgian treats and the beers, but God I would like a few cakes from Botham's and a titanic plum porter or theakstons OP.
But my problems are small compared to my friends back home. Several have lost jobs, several can't find jobs. People in their thirties moving back with their parents in the middle of the north York moors, when they want to raising kids or travelling or working.
Every employer I've had in the UK before the move has moved technical activities outside the UK. One of them cancelled a big new clothing factory and technical centre in Leeds and moved production from their other factory to an external supplier in Italy. Another moved aerospace service contracts to France, Germany and Singapore. Jobs and investment lost. When they're gon, it's very difficult to get those skills back into the workforce.
Finally, at my work, I really need to work with good competent third-party labs. There are well equipped and well staffed labs, but because of Brexit and delivery issues, I can't ship samples there for testing and consultancy, so it's going to Germany instead. There's the loss of testing fees at the UK labs, but also, rather frustratingly the work required to initiate a collaboration is made now increased. Really boils my pilsner.
Christ.
Former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith has been given a new role as a government adviser following Brexit.
The Brexiteer rejoins government to become an adviser to Boris Johnson on regulatory reform after the UK departed from the European Union.
He will chair the Taskforce on Innovation, Growth and Regulatory Reform (TIGRR) alongside Theresa Villiers and George Freeman.
In the meantime with £7bn a week (correct me if I’m wrong) in City trade being lost to the EU and all the jobs disappearing the government won’t be able to afford to fund the NHS.
It is actually EUR 6 billion a day, but the net change is less than that because Swiss stock trading can now return to London which should reduce the net loss to 4.5 billion. In terms of job changes, it is not that significant as it is just the location of booking of the trade that changes and obviously the associated exchange fees. Overall the major City firms have increased headcount in the UK since the Brexit vote so there is unlikely to be a major reduction in the tax take. JP Morgan have increased headcount by 2,000.
In regulatory news, the main changes made/suggested so far are a reduction in the reporting threshold for short selling so short sellers have to report sooner and a tightening up of the bank capital rules so software can't be included in core capital.
Bonfire of the insanity's....
allanoleary,
Was that a rant? Sounded to me like a pretty reasoned synopsis.
The pressure is off the government for the meantime owing to their success (which it is) with the vaccine. In 3 months time the news headlines will be dominated by stories of businesses closing due to brexit. They'll ride this one out as well as the leisure and entertainment sectors of the economy will be reopening and the govt will use the associated bump in the economy to disguise the true horror of what's in store by the end of the year. They will characterise it as a recovery when all it is is the nation spending the Summer having one great big party after a year of hibernation. Well all be acting like Frank from 'Shameless' for a few months.
Then the hangover will kick and then as the days get shorter and the nights longer, the Tories will find themselves in the middle of their very own Winter of Discontent.
For those that don't believe any of this, with the advent of news UK and the like you can now choose to consume 'news' that wont report these facts, there is an alternate reality waiting for you where everything will be blamed on covid and gender pronouns.
mefty - totally disingenuous
You do know that the regulatory crunch for London is not actually due for months yet and there is a constant flow of jobs and assetts moving to the EU from London - and this will only accelerate.
Whatever makes you think the Swizz are going to move their banking to London?
it is not that significant as it is just the location of booking of the trade that changes and obviously the associated exchange fees
Which will have to change after the transitional arrangements lapse when all staff and more importantly all the comupter systems for trading in Euros have to be under EU law
the moving of trade to the EU we have already seen is merely the thin end of the wedge.
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/uk-finance-eu-brexit-equivalence-thecityuk-city-of-london-072730803.html
The bloc granted the UK equivalence in just two areas: central clearing and securities settlement. Both decisions were taken to avoid financial stability issues and were time limited.
The failure to grant equivalence forced many businesses to either stop serving clients in the EU or set up new offices in the bloc that could handle their business. The EU has so far held a hardline against firms that failed to relocated staff and asset ahead of the 1 January Brexit deadline.
“Brexit is a body blow to the London financial center,” Xavier Rolet, former head of London Stock Exchange Group Plc, said in an interview. “I’m very deeply worried that Brexit is going to kill the golden goose and we are already seeing the first signs that this has started to happen.”
With constant sparring between officials on both sides of the Channel, industry executives are pessimistic that talks will lead to an easy solution allowing business to carry on anything like how it did before. The EU has already made clear that it’s in no rush to grant the U.K. access to the bloc and is on a mission to build its own capital markets.
They knew what they were voting for.
there is an alternate reality waiting for you where everything will be blamed on covid and gender pronouns.
On the money.
Brexit benefit you can ride it er multiple ways,you guys always look for the bad things and not the positives.
Go on then, let’s hear the positives, real, actual ones not just things that you’ve been told might happen.
I’m talking donkeys with strap on’s 🙂
I’m also still also patiently awaiting some answer preferably taking less than 10-20 years of a tangible Brexit positive.
What’s ‘YOUR’ plan batman?
We apply to rejoin the EU forthwith.
Job jobbed.
I started my application for special ID card, as a beneficiary of the WA in Belgium. So that’s my major change. I’ll have a very peculiar status here, which will secure my right to remain but cause hassle when applying for jobs, loans or travelling as the status will be poorly understood.
Same here.. i hotfooted it to Spain.
So under the WA I can live and work here ,although I’m really employed still U.K. side I can legally work in Spain if I wished.
But if I wanted to work in Portugal or move there ??, the joy of Brexit in after leaving the UK the stench still follows you.
Of course, I’ve worked and lived in a few of the places I admire, and they aren’t without issues. However, the fundamental concept of society is different, and whilst the execution of ideas may not be ideal, the will to give money for the common good generally is. This is a huge issue for me.
Are you describing Scotland?
The last time the Tories got the most votes in Scotland, Anthony Eden was the PM, and you'd have to be 83 y/o now to have voted for him.
Oh, and our plan is pretty much like the others who live in Scotland. Scottish independence.
Worse case, if we have to as it gets that bad is sell up and move to Portugal.
P.S. If we just rejoined the EU and forgot about the last 5 years of stupidity I would waive my request to have Brexiteers paraded down the street in big pointy hats whilst being pelted with rancid tomatoes.
Give and take and all that.👍
Brexit positive news -
Left wing STW members plan to leave UK 🤣
WIN!
Of course its not just financial services moving out of the UK
Some 500 British companies are currently in various levels of talks with the Dutch foreign investment agency NFIA about moving some operations to the Netherlands, a spokesman has confirmed to DutchNews.nl. The list includes companies with serious intentions as well as firms which are orientating themselves about a move to the EU and are in talks with other countries as well, the NFIA said.
Left wingjust not dickhead STW members plan to leave UK
FTFY
It would be a very interesting dynamic if Scotland did get full independence and rejoined the EU.
I wonder how many Scottish Leave voters would move south to England to bathe in the Brexit Benefits.....
I reckon the logistics operation would be limited to a question of 'one people carrier or two?'
And that would depend on how much luggage they were taking. 😅
Brexit positive news –
Left wing STW members plan to leave UK 🤣
WIN!
Yep I’ll pop down to Monaco in the Grenadier to have a laugh with all the Pro Brexit backers.
Screwing your country doesn’t mean you have to live in/with it.
I do wonder how many er other actors bunged a few quid to vote leave, there’s got to be some happy EU companies out there who’ve stymied their U.K. competition for a (pittance)donation 🙂
Left wing STW members plan to leave UK
Remainers leaving the UK also ensures that there is going to be a brain drain element to this too.
In fact the whole fiasco was and continues to be a very ‘successful’ trolling.
‘If you don’t like it you can leave. Then I win’
‘You just took away my passport/EU citizenship. You just made it 1000x more difficult/unlikely to be able to leave. So unless I’m rich and well-connected then I have no realistic choice but to stay’
‘I still win’
‘How’s that?’
‘Because ya-boo haha loser trollololol etc’
I do wonder how many er other actors bunged a few quid to vote leave, there’s got to be some happy EU companies out there who’ve stymied their U.K. competition for a (pittance)donation
I call it 'Stupidity Mining'.
As natural resources run out there needs to be a replacement for companies or individuals or nations to utilise for their own advantage.
Luckily it seems like there is a huge reservoir of stupidity out there and, here is the key, it isn't evenly distributed. Figure out how to tap it where it is prevalent and you're onto a winner. Just ask Dominic Cummings.
Remainers leaving the UK also ensures that there is going to be a brain drain element to this too.
No, it's Leavers that have all the brains... Oh, wait..
Worse case, if we have to as it gets that bad is sell up and move to Portugal.
Hmm your weather vs Portugal do you really need it to get bad before moving 😉
Yep I’ll pop down to Monaco in the Grenadier to have a laugh with all the Pro Brexit backers.
Screwing your country doesn’t mean you have to live in/with it.
And there's the joke that 'Man in The Street' Brexiteer missed (utterly predictably). The main forces driving the Leave campaign won't have to live with the consequences. As soon as they've pocketed another fortune - this time as a direct result of the shock they themselves caused - they'll be off abroad.
Whichever way you look at it the joke was always on the useful idiots.
Brexit positive news –
Left wing STW members plan to leave UK 🤣
WIN!
Isn't that all a little Douglas Adams and Golgafrincham Ark Fleet Ship B?
Which went well, from memory.
