Maybe, but there are already time limits in place.
If two STW pro-Europeans can find material for a spat on a bike forum I don't think there's much hope of governments doing better, thecaptain. 😉
environmental stuff like wild birds
Yup the British protection charity association dates from 1889 but the French one only from 1912. But those are toothless associations.
People fail to understand what has decimated the bird populations all over Europe and prefer to point the finger at a few French hunters having a marginal impact. Pollution and habitat are the problems birds face and on the former Britain is already "enjoying" the free for all void that leaving the EU has left. Whilst in the EU it was naughty now it's just the way it is:
I used to be an assistant area water quality officer for Welsh Water based in Aberaeron when I wasn't working on the acid waters project, I did a fair bit of gathering up dead wildlife as evidence.
Neither bird protection association stopped the widespread use of agro-chemicals which decimated populations in both countries. It was the EU that enforced bans on some pesticides with Britain's vote in favour.
But once out of the EU it was a matter of months before the UK reauthorised one type:
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/uk-bee-killing-pesticide-eu-ban-b2026622.html
If two STW pro-Europeans can find material for a spat on a bike forum
When one of them is you, Ed, that's more or less inevitable 🙂 And this isn't a playground insult, it's a gentle prod!
But once out of the EU it was a matter of months before the UK reauthorised one type:
Not sure if you are being deliberately disingenuous or just lazy but you make it sound like the UK completely rolled back restrictions on use, but that's not exactly what happened. You always come across as very anti-UK. Now there's a lot to criticise, but you always need to be honest and fair.
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When one of them is you, Ed, that’s more or less inevitable 🙂 And this isn’t a playground insult, it’s a gentle prod!
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Not a gentle prod, it's a playground insult as usual, a continuation of your continued display of hate for me, Molgrips. No smiley, because you might find it funny but I'm just weary of you being impolite and insulting towards me. It goes back to iDave when I pointed out it was yet another fad diet and you bigged him up, then everyone realised he was less than honest. You haven't let up since, it's a personal vendetta. By the way I'm still 65-67 kilos, where has the iDave diet left you?
A personal attack whilst the actual protagonists are exchanging views in a civil manner.
You aren't a forum moderator as far as I'm aware but have a habit of telling people what to do in an antagonistic manner. If you think there's a problem with behaviour on the forum, report it, but first consider how much you are contributing to it yourself.
Join in with our debate here if you wish but please leave out the personal attacks unrelated to the subject. Note the "please", that's a request which is not the same as one of your orders.
it’s a gentle prod!
Like Ian Paisley was a gentle prod?
@edukator I agree shit has gone south since Brexit but it's not exactly a secret that we did do our bit and then some in certain aspects already discussed. You're totally right about water quality though, blue flags seemed to be the wake up call that swimming amongst sewage wasn't actually acceptable.
EDIT: seriously, get over your victim complex. I came on trying to be nice but it seems you're pulling the same shit on Molgrips as you do on me. Nobody is falling for it.
I see you've stealth edited to address the criticism of having nothing to say about the actual subject, Molgrips.
These aren't nice tactics.
As for the contents of your edit, if I've made incorrect statements then feel free to quote them with links to evidence refuting them. That's what thecaptain has done quite effectively on some points..
I’m just weary of you being impolite and insulting towards me.
Well, I'm very very weary of the way you turn everything into an absolute dick waving contest. This isn't a playground insult, it's a critique on the way you engage on here. This is less friendly, because you made it so. The way you engage is problematic and you need to think about that - that's why I made that prod, and it was relevant to the point you made about bickering.
These aren’t nice tactics.
I don't do 'tactics'. I edit my posts to make them clearer or add stuff.
I'll say no more about it so don't bother replying.
You've also selectivley quoted, Molgrips, distorting what I said. Here's the longer quote:
It was the EU that enforced bans on some pesticides with Britain’s vote in favour.
But once out of the EU it was a matter of months before the UK reauthorised one type:
As both Squirrelking and thecaptain have correctly pointed out the UK was among the countries voting in favour of some progressive legislation while other EU countires dragged their heels. I was kinda hoping someone would brings up France's reluctance to ban glyphosate to counter my claims but in the end it's me.
Back when the talk is about Brexit, goodnight all.
I was kinda hoping someone would brings up France’s reluctance to ban glyphosate to counter my claims but in the end it’s me
Why?
So you basically went out your way to provoke an argument, basically told thecaptain that the perfectly valid retorts to your original assertion were shite and now admit you hoped that someone would use some specific legislation that a vanishingly small number of us may have a pssing knowledge of?
Living up to your old moniker there.
At least that's cleared that up once and for all, just a troll with a "victim complex", certainly explains why you hang about if everyone is so mean. Not that we don't notice the blatant hypocrisy designed to antagonise. Do us all a favour eh? **** off.
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Why?
So you basically went out your way to provoke an argument, basically told thecaptain that the perfectly valid retorts to your original assertion were shite and now admit you hoped that someone would use some specific legislation that a vanishingly small number of us may have a pssing knowledge of?
Living up to your old moniker there.
At least that’s cleared that up once and for all, just a troll with a victim complex, certainly explains why you habg about if everyone is so mean. Not that we don’t notice the blatant hypocrisy designed to antagonise. Do us all a favour eh? **** off.
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If two STW pro-Europeans can find material for a spat on a bike forum I don’t think there’s much hope of governments doing better, thecaptain.
TBH I think it was more a matter of emphasis than a major disagreement. UK has certainly been a laggard and hindrance in some respects, but a leader in others. OTOH I think it's likely that all countries could be described in similar way. They certainly can't all be leading on everything, if everyone's in front there's no-one to be in front of!
Right, got to go up to the loo to catch up on the thread!
Username checks out 😬
^^ Yep!😁
Well, I'm sort of caught up on the thread but still not entirely sure of what's going on.
Much like most of my life in fairness though.
I think it was UK bad, EU good.
It started as Starmer bad for making claims about high standards that failed a fact check. thecaptain and I explored one aspect - animal, farm, environment. Fancy an exploration of any others? How about "high standards" in financial services and among politicians for example:
https://www.shearman.com/en/key-issues/future-of-financial-services-regulation-in-the-uk
I'm sure you can all work out what:
It can remove unnecessary red tape and enhance legal and regulatory predictability so as to allow innovation to flourish.
really means without me providing a translation.
The Brexit promise of Singapore-on-Thames looks like one of the very few Brexit promises to be fulfilled favouring money laundering, capital flight, corruption... . Ask Michelle Mone for help if you realy don't understand. She's still free whilst the equally dishonest EU parliamentarians were arrested and face charges.
Yup EU financial services regulation and laws good, UK bad, Molgrips, feel free to counter that assertion with real examples to prove your point.
Have we done this yet? Who would have thought that the tories could, however imperfectly, replace the horror that is the EU CAP policy with something that looks a little modern and forward thinking?
https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1618516584880041984?s=20&t=7UzsCvScT-o1r99BIdHqfg
Sure, but perhaps a little early to bring out the bunting. We don't know what it will cost, nor what it will achieve, yet.
Good old bad old George. 🙂
I like the approach, rewarding good practice. I'm watching with interest.
I've not looked at what is being proposed yet but the moonbat being in favour is a black mark.
It favours large scale landowners and does little for upland/hill farmers.
Would be interesting to get a view from welsfarmer of this parish.
It's likely there will be an article about this in Private Eye soon in their 'agri business' feature as they've been following the farm subsidy saga for many years.
Much better analysis than anything offered up by Monbiot.
That farming scheme, based on what I've read I bet it'll be a PITA for farmers to both claim and then actually get their cash - and rather than look at the scheme, wait until the result of the scheme occurs - only then will we know whether it's good/bad/indifferent for both outcome AND cash-paid.
Yup EU financial services regulation and laws good, UK bad, Molgrips, feel free to counter that assertion with real examples to prove your point.
You're assuming I don't agree. I'm a remainer remember, for more or less that exact reason.
It favours large scale landowners and does little for upland/hill farmers.
Probably a result of the hunting and shooting lobby. The last thing they want is the govt paying landowners to rewild moors and mountains.
Not ready to welcome something that still hasn’t happened. Yes, CAP is slow to reform, but people forget how much the implementation was down to member states. Plenty of other countries managed far more successfully to weight it towards actual farmers, especially smaller ones, rather than land owners and international agribusiness. I don’t expect that to happen here just because our government can change things “quicker” on its own (this one has already been six years in the making, and is no where near being tested).
Talking about things that haven’t happened yet… a good short list in this article…
https://twitter.com/simon_nixon/status/1618564672008888320?s=21
Blimey an honest appraisal of the consequences of Brexit from a tory MP
Tha Conservative is dishonest because he peddles the myth a better deal is possible without outlining the concessions his is prepared to make to get it.
As Barnier noted recently, the EU has forgotten Brexit. It's finished, we've got over it, profited from it even. No need to change anything unless those pesky Brits vote their dumping laws, that'll need retaliation.
I'm sure many EU leaders are loving the comparison with the UK at present, can't change that.
Just because the Brexit benefits keep coming...
My brother's company (based in Czechia) wants to buy a particularly unique and extremely expensive specialist part from the UK. The company he's buying from aren't particularly used to exporting into Europe at the moment and so asked him to find out what they need. This is what happens when you try to research the topic from Europe:
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At least Rees-Mogg will be proud of his accomplishments in actively shutting off the UK from the rest of the world.
F*** me. They really don't think there is a need for foreign companies to access UK export information? Are they really this stupid?
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When meeting people for the first time and they ask where I'm from, I tell them Essex, England, but with the caveat that I've had nothing to do with the island for the past 15 years and am essentially German/European because the UK is a ****ing joke.
Are they really this stupid?
You need to ask? Just look at what they’ve done over the last 6 years. It goes way way beyond stupid! Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it
its going to get so much worse too in the hands of these Brexiteer morons. they’ve tipped this country into an economic death spiral.
This country is going to be left so far behind, wallowing in its neo-colonial, delusional fantasy world as the 21st century sails past them. An irrelevance. A backwater
Its absolutely tragic. Well… it certainly will be for our kids
i hope the shit-thick racists who voted for this self-destructive bollocks are proud of themselves as they wage their little flags
The ****ing morons!
https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1623392130507972609?s=46&t=6qynmkDhBkzhzzYjrJyoSQ
‘its going to get so much worse too in the hands of these Brexiteer morons. they’ve tipped this country into an economic death spiral.’
TBH they are like some parasitic vampires, they’ll still be feeding off it regardless of how bad it gets for the bottom they are happily sitting at the top quite happy to actually achieve nothing.
It’s worth looking out for Heseltines latest speech it’s interesting as he said they’d been thru the whole rules holding us back years ago and found nowt and he was a bit scathing about Rees Mogg.
Anyway in other musings I wonder if they will rename BritishVolt to AussieVolt although i do wonder what they bought other than some nicely rendered gigafactory pictures.
BTW Rishi in that outfit looks more like he’s getting to look like he’s from the inbetweeners every day.
I was watching this after last nights ride.
There doesn't seem to be a working solution. They talk about structural problems. Must be referring to the 'British superiority complex'
BTW Rishi in that outfit looks more like he’s getting to look like he’s from the inbetweeners every day.
Little Rishi been at the dressing-up box again.
Went to my office for the first time in 18 months, depressingly still full of the joys of Brexit bullshit ☹️ just glad I WFH 125miles away.
^^ I'd love to know what Brexit wins they are so chuffed about?
Anyway...
Mummy's little fighter pilot, he'll grow into it.😁
Ludicrous speed!
You don't really need to rip the piss out of his appearance. His actions are the important part and there's plenty of ammo there.
This getting a bit too much like the bacon sandwich thing.
You don’t really need to rip the piss out of his appearance. His actions are the important part and there’s plenty of ammo there.
This getting a bit too much like the bacon sandwich thing.
I'm torn between:
Yearning for a return to politics with gravitas, engaging in sensible discourse and agreeing with this
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Thinking that every little helps if it means that we're rid of these awful people.
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This getting a bit too much like the bacon sandwich thing.
So? The tories and their press paymasters would love any possibility to rip the piss out of Labour for anything. If Rish! gets ridiculed for looking a **** whilst playing Mr Ben that’s fine with me.
So? The tories and their press paymasters would love any possibility to rip the piss out of Labour for anything. If Rish! gets ridiculed for looking a **** whilst playing Mr Ben that’s fine with me.
Well, it legitimises their tactics, it means you can't say 'that's a stupid shitty thing to do' when you've also been doing it. Also, it is still shitty, and it turns everything into an image contest which does no-one any favours.
The anti tory side not doing it will not stop the Tories doing it. Playing nice / by the rules is a part of the reason labour win so few elections.
Playing nice / by the rules is a part of the reason labour win so few elections.
This, and it applies to ANY opponent of the right/rich.
and it turns everything into an image contest
What politics have you been watching where this isn’t the case? That genie is well out of the bottle.
And now it seems that they're playing dirty again, it was Labour's fault:
Apparently we're subsidy junkies according to Allister the Shill.
The anti tory side not doing it will not stop the Tories doing it. Playing nice / by the rules is a part of the reason labour win so few elections.
Indeed. But this thread isn't party political campaigning to appeal to the most thoughtless voters, is it? Or is it?
And now it seems that they’re playing dirty again, it was Labour’s fault:
Apparently we’re subsidy junkies according to Allister the Shill.
Jesus, that reads like some GBeebies "woke watch" parody, comments aren't much better. I hate this country and the people in it more and more every day.
The gift that keeps on giving. From alpinestar, I was trying to find a way to avoid throwing out a great pair of trousers.
"unfortunately the issue is considered tear and wear, and is not covered by warranty.
Moreover, due to Brexit, returns from the UK are no longer cost effective, and therefore we can't accept them."
Always good to admit what you got wrong about Brexit… I thought the EU27 would have been more damaged economically then they have been…
https://twitter.com/tobifrenzen/status/1624419458864279552?s=21
Meanwhile, in the UK, everything is much as expected.
Moreover, due to Brexit, returns from the UK are no longer cost effective, and therefore we can’t accept them.
The company I work with still processes returns, but it’s costly, labour intensive, and often involves delays. Plenty of customers understand and accept that is the case, but we have had riders on the continent tell us in person (Swiss & German especially) that Brexit means they simply will not buy from UK companies because of the different legal status/protection and hassle created when it comes to warranties as well as purchases. These are people telling us they love our bikes and would be buying if it were not for Brexit. Worries and hassle about returns and backup in/out of the UK is a genuine barrier to sales in the minds of customers, on both sides of our border.
Worries and hassle about returns and backup in/out of the UK is a genuine barrier to sales in the minds of customers, on both sides of our border.
So, how does anyone ever manage to buy things from China, Taiwan or the USA? My wife bought some music from the USA, it showed up here a couple of days later.
Your wife buying stuff from a business is one thing, and I imagine there are few warranty concerns with music. A consumer returning something from EU to UK, is another. If they cock up the paperwork the costs and delays can be significant.
I never knew you were in the bike industry mate? Is it ok to ask which brand? Totally ok if you'd rather not say!
I hate this country and the people in it more and more every day.
I don't understand statements like this. Are you saying you hate me, and all the people on this thread? All the remainers, progressives, and the people who want change?
So, how does anyone ever manage to buy things from China, Taiwan or the USA? My wife bought some music from the USA, it showed up here a couple of days later.
Assuming you're serious - a lot of companies won't post overseas when there are export barriers in place, because it's a pain in the arse. A lot of EU companies will ship within the EU because it's painless and essentially free, costing no more than shipping within their own country. Small businesses won't be able to absorb the cost to ship here, or won't want the hassle, and big ones may not be competitive now because there are import duties. So there will be less trade. That is the entire point of having import duties and customs - to reduce trade.
Yes it's possible, but it's harder and takes longer, and costs both the customer and the supplier more money. If you want something that's not available here then of course, you'll shop abroad. But you won't want to buy a bike from a German supplier if it's going to take 2-6 weeks to get through customs, cost you 15% more, and you have no idea how you're going to return it if there's a warranty issue.
So, how does anyone ever manage to buy things from China, Taiwan or the USA? My wife bought some music from the USA, it showed up here a couple of days later.
Is that a product that she might need to warranty?
I know that I'd never buy something direct from the USA or China etc if I thought I'd need to return it - I only buy stuff from non-UK suppliers that if it's crap/fails etc that I'll just take a 'hit' on.
That's why we buy cars, motorbikes, bikes from UK distributors - so we've got some 'certainty'.
Getting hold of Salsas was pretty difficult for a while when they had no UK distributor. Not sure if that is fixed now or not?
TBH if your bringing stuff in from China,Taiwan or the USA your usually prepared for a little customs bingo/delays but the U.K. is (what 21 mile's ish away )close and currently to bring stuff into Spain is a ball ache.
My last 2 U.K. orders pretty much incurred the sellers having to send the goods twice and one refunding duty that I had to pay and tbh in either case wasn’t their fault, you are now at the mercy of the Spanish customs.
I can’t see that viable for sellers or buyers, I’m not in a hurry so wasn’t overly concerned but I’m sure Brexit was sold as it would be business as usual which is most definitely not the case unless you have an eu distribution centre.
Getting hold of Salsas was pretty difficult for a while when they had no UK distributor. Not sure if that is fixed now or not?
3T will only send stuff to the U.K. if the order value is over £165 and tbh I’m sure you pay a premium on canyon orders.
"My last 2 U.K. orders pretty much incurred the sellers having to send the goods twice"
Me too, poor Brompton, it must have been a real pain for them. 🙁 One order got as far as Bordeaux before heading back to London.
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Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit.
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders.
Is it ok to ask which brand?
COTIC. Not a secret, been involved from before the very beginning.
jeez this new editor is **** irritating
Very.
met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders.
Would have been good for the FSB, or some other representatives of SMEs to be present… big business can find their own ways of getting around barriers to trade (even if that is moving functions out of the UK)… but SMEs are stuck with the shit deal the Tories have got us saddled with. Any changes come the 2025 discussions with the EU need to be SME focussed, or the UK will continue to fall further behind the rest of Europe.
COTIC. Not a secret, been involved from before the very beginning.
Ah! Not sure how i didn't know that. Great stuff.👍
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit.Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders.
Cynically, I reckon that with no genuine pro-EU party and no-one from the EU itself, it's more like the two main political parties trying to come up with excuses as to why Brexit is/was the right answer.
While they're still saying "Brexit was right" and "we can make Brexit work", nothing will happen. Needs someone to stand up and say that leaving was wrong and for that to be accepted before any progress can be made in fixing it.
Cynically, I reckon that with no genuine pro-EU party and no-one from the EU itself, it’s more like the two main political parties trying to come up with excuses as to why Brexit is/was the right answer.
Maybe not in England&WalesShire but up here we do and they're in Govt AND have the vast majority of Westminster seats too.
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Please don't lump Wales in with England in this context!
Just helped my Czech Republic neighbours load their van yesterday as they are moving to Germany; she's a nurse and her husband is an ambulance driver. They said Britain no longer feels like a place to live and they are feeling substantially poorer.
My estate used to have a lot of medical staff from the EU living in the flats, regular turnover of them and it wasn't unusual to see a minibus picking a few up occasionally. Now there are hardly any, let alone EU Nationals. It's definitely changed to lots of UK people (mainly the annoying ones) and a fair amount of people from Asia. When I saw the ones I knew leaving I did ask and they gave the same reason: don't feel like they are welcome so have gone back to the continent.
Really sad to see happening as the place has definitely become more unfriendly and insular. I really hate the direction this country has gone and is continuing to go. It'll take a generation or more for any political party to feel able to say it was a mistake and not be destroyed.
I don’t understand statements like this. Are you saying you hate me, and all the people on this thread? All the remainers, progressives, and the people who want change?
@molgrips of course I don't mean everyone, but the "other side" are grinding me down to the point where I fell like I'd happily cut my losses and just sod off into the sunset if I was offered the opportunity. Exact same where I live, myopic provincial thinking at every level. Of course stepping away from Facebook is probably for the best and I've already deleted the app as I'm sick of all the suggested stuff that just winds me up, now I just use it with Purity on the desktop and I'm happier for it.
You must remember that all the bollocks online is not representative. Most people are decent, although often not that bright; the problem is that these days the idiots all have megaphones.
Please don’t lump Wales in with England in this context!
I sympathise with what you are saying but to be devil's advocate, Wales voted to leave the EU too.🙁
Its absolutely tragic. Well… it certainly will be for our kids
i hope the shit-thick racists who voted for this self-destructive bollocks are proud of themselves as they wage their little flags
The ****ing morons!
"Pig-" you forgot the prefix "pig" apart from yhat, spot on
Wales voted to leave the EU too
Monmouthshire didn't.
I did watch TLDR news on YouTube yesterday. They were discussing Brexit regret. The only constituency still in favour is Boston in Lincolnshire. Two others were split. All the others regret Brexit. Whether all the others want to stay is a different question, but doesn't seem to be a massive leap.
While we're in this period of populist politics could this possibly mean a creep back towards closer working toes with the EU? As much as I love the idea of a full on "rejoin" I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
Not while tories and labour both are brexiteers
Yeah I think we have at least one full term (of what at this stage will, I assume, be Starmer) before any sensible talk about how to mend the relationship.
are proud of themselves as they wage their little flags
Of course they are. "Not clever enough to realise they're not clever" is a thing.