Oakley muppet
I thought the EU ruled out skeleton teams stating that all doings in euro stuff had to be in the EU including all the computer systems a d the traders
I don't think it will collapse overnight but gradually although some has already gone
I never know how we are meant to refer to the political entities on the island of Ireland
I used the bbc names and got told off so help me with this please
Trading news via Reuters
https://www.hl.co.uk/news/2020/12/29/brexit-big-bang-to-trigger-tectonic-trading-rift-in-europe
Not really, they are engaging in the political process to further a united Ireland much like they do in the rest of Ireland, as per the gfa. We’ve seen the old ways of doing things, the guns are largely away. But you knew all that anyway, cheeky scamp.
Do you think that SFs political ambitions will let them give up powersharing and control in N.I and become a minority party in a united ireland? I (cynically) think they have a vested interest in the status quo, its all smoke and mirrors.
Oakley muppet
I thought the EU ruled out skeleton teams stating that all doings in euro stuff had to be in the EU including all the computer systems a d the traders
I don’t think it will collapse overnight but gradually although some has already gone
For now, the EU want as little market chaos as possible - so UK firms with offices in the EU are still being given the regulatory approval to do this. Hence why British firms are still investing in office space and moving some jobs over.
For a nuanced view on the outlook for London check out this piece...
Probably been discussed but did you see from 2022 we will need to purchase a visa waiver to visit Europe and if you want to drive your own car you will need an insurance certificate from your insurer which you have to apply for at least 6 weeks in advance? I'd missed that little nugget of extra joy.
Yes I believe they would give up their role in NI for the forthcoming united Ireland.
Being a tad cynical imagine the amount of politicians who’ll be claiming to have reunited Ireland.
I never know how we are meant to refer to the political entities on the island of Ireland
I used the bbc names and got told off so help me with this please
I've struggled with this too, probably pissing off some folk unintentionally. In the main I would say Ireland (meaning the country now in the EU) and Northern Ireland (meaning the bit in the UK). Of course, Ireland is the name of the whole island, which is also part of the British Isles. I guess Republic of Ireland would be clearer, neutral, and just a bit more tedious to say/write-out.
I never know how we are meant to refer to the political entities on the island of Ireland
I used the bbc names and got told off so help me with this please
What are the BBC names?
Yes I believe they would give up their role in NI for the forthcoming united Ireland.
Being a tad cynical imagine the amount of politicians who’ll be claiming to have reunited Ireland.
Well I hope that in our future United Ireland we never have them as a majority government. A Marxist government with a parmilitary council in command isn't what I want, and I'm sure they wouldn't view the EU with any less contempt than the UK gov.
What are the BBC names?
Inconsistent.
parmilitary council in command
There was a paramilitary presence in both sides of the divide only one was less state-sponsored.
There was a paramilitary presence in both sides of the divide only one was less state-sponsored.
I'm talking about the current structure of an all ireland party, the ones that went to a funeral during lockdown because their leadership demanded it. The same party who would vie to govern us in the event of a united ireland. I'm not trying to "whatabout" by the way, just trying to highlight to people on here what we would get when the "good nationalists" take control.
Trading news via Reuters
From that link all I can see is that the temporary allowance of the use of the skeleton offices in the EU for British firms is to avoid a mass exodus in the New Year. The European Trading Houses are lining up to get as much of the London business as possible so it will be a slow drain of business leaving us for European hubs rather than a massive shift. Less of a shock to the system but still a large amount of business will be leaving our shores.
@geda, duties are not tariffs, think about alcohol or fuel. Duties are effectively consumer taxes.
Ireland naming context dependent innit.
Context is everything… as someone not living on, or from, the Island of Ireland, I call the big bit Ireland, and the little bit Northern Ireland. Everyone I know from there uses different terms, depending on what they are talking about.
Anyway… The Rock…
https://twitter.com/independent/status/1344641968291405824?s=21
I used " the republic of Ireland " and "northern ireland" with " the island of Ireland " for the whole thing.
I got told off on here for this
Thanks for the answers.
They do pretty much back up what I'd heard before.
We were in top-dog position, refused to do the work/inforce the rules (EU Migration etc) for goodness knows what reason, then cried about it all and wanted out. We really don't seem to do ourselves any favours sometimes.
Here in Spain we have identity numbers (had the same in South Africa) and we use them for everything. I've heard people back in the UK protest about not wanting to be "spied on" - I can't say I've ever felt like I was being spied on, but equally my life is so boring no one would want to spy on me.
We also have a document obtainable from the local council for a euro, that certifies you live where you say you live - and there are some things you can't do (register with the doctor etc) without it.
I used ” the republic of Ireland ” and “northern ireland” with ” the island of Ireland ” for the whole thing.
I got told off on here for this
I say call them what you want and don't worry about it, as these are correct terms I don't know why you would get told off for using them.
To enlarge, mostly usage in the UK press appears to be "Ireland" for the country whose official name is "The Republic of Ireland" unless the context in which it is being used requires something more specific.
I was not party to the arguments here about naming, but probably using the full title unnecessarily would wind a few folks up.
NI one of the poorest regions of the UK, in fact one of the poorest areas in Western Europe. The uk is doing a fine job!
and a question, should Scotland get independence who will the ulster unionists pick for a union.
Like I said already - we don't want them 🙂
To enlarge, mostly usage in the UK press appears to be “Ireland” for the country whose official name is “The Republic of Ireland” unless the context in which it is being used requires something more specific
my passport definitely says Éire Ireland on the cover.
Not sure if this has been “disclosed” on here but my mum's just told me that Stanley Johnson is applying for french citizenship! You can’t make this merde up!
On the previous page Minty. No surprise really, French residency isn’t enough for him to carry on as he was across multiple EU countries…
…some will keep their freedoms.
I'm no fan of Stanley Johnson but in his defence he was pro-remain rather than his opportunistic shit of a son.
He backed his son as regards the removal of Freedom of Movement (from the plebs) after the referendum (remember that citizens of some nonEU countries have that… and so could we, if our politicians hadn’t ruled it out).
EDIT: even before the referendum, he said that the EU should abolish Freedom of Movement. Even when campaigning for Remain, he was proposing and in favour of the ordinary people losing that right, safe in the knowledge that the rich and connected like him will always be able to do what they hell they like, and it’s only the working units of the lower classes that are kept captive by national borders.
NI one of the poorest regions of the UK, in fact one of the poorest areas in Western Europe. The uk is doing a fine job!
By what measure? Will this change under dail rule?
Fair play kelvin - I hadn't realised that.
I respect those who, like my eldest son, Boris, have a different perspective. Like Boris, I believe the EU needs major surgery. The Prime Minister tried his best with the renegotiation but there is a long way to go. I don’t believe the EU’s freedom of movement rules can survive given the pressures of migration.
The Prime Minister is already desperately seeking ways to redeem his ‘no ifs and buts’ pledge to reduce the rate of net immigration (currently running at 300,000 a year). If that involves a rupture with the EU over the ‘freedom of movement issue’, then – in my view – it is a price which must be paid as we seek to bring the UK’s currently totally out of control rate of population growth back into some kind of reasonable framework. And I say this as someone who has long been pro-Europe. For me, the issue is totally fundamental. This is a personal red line.
Here in Spain we have identity numbers (had the same in South Africa) and we use them for everything. I’ve heard people back in the UK protest about not wanting to be “spied on” – I can’t say I’ve ever felt like I was being spied on, but equally my life is so boring no one would want to spy on me.
You want to be spied on? Try flying in to Heathrow then take a car into London and go for a wander. The growth in the amount of cameras and radars is amazing for someone who hasn't lived in the UK in the past 20 years. And then the Telegraph complains about ID cards 😀 😀 😀
From that link all I can see is that the temporary allowance of the use of the skeleton offices in the EU for British firms is to avoid a mass exodus in the New Year. The European Trading Houses are lining up to get as much of the London business as possible so it will be a slow drain of business leaving us for European hubs rather than a massive shift. Less of a shock to the system but still a large amount of business will be leaving our shores.
Lets not forget that last year, despite ongoing uncertainty over the future of the UK’s relationship with the EU DB signalled its commitment to long-term expansion in the City by publicly recommitting to 21 Moorfields while at the same time slashing 18,000 jobs from its global headcount - 21 Moorfields is an utterly gargantuan office building that they are developing. https://www.egi.co.uk/news/deutsche-bank-commits-to-city-after-cutting-18000-jobs/
As I stated previously - the City isn't going anywhere - it will just lose some of it's monolithic dominance. This will of course come at a bad time post Covid, as the city will probably only be able to prop the rest of the failing country up enough to see our GDP growth stagnate post Covid - London and London workers will carry on getting richer whilst everyone else will carry on feeling poorer in real terms.
That'll learn them London remoaner elites. Not.
City isn’t going anywhere – it will just lose some of it’s monolithic dominance
Perfectly put.
As I stated previously – the City isn’t going anywhere – it will just lose some of it’s monolithic dominance.
It is perfectly put. And we need to remember that 'some' is a concept with a huge range.... on a huge ****ing number.
It is like when people glibly talk about whether Johnson's shitty deal loses 4% of GDP or 5%. The variance of 1% is on £2.2tn. Each 0.1% spunked (or spaffed as De Pfeffel would probably put it) is tens if not hundreds of capital spends that are for the benefit of society.
Put that on top of the fact that none of this idiocy actually has a point* and I start to get quite cross.
*'Sovrunty' doesn't get the class sizes in schools back down to sensible levels, you can't spend 'sovrunty' on new equipment or buildings for hospitals. The whole thing is a colossal fail and it is all for less than **** all. That's why I will never be able to 'get over it'. It is without doubt the stupidest thing any electorate in any developed nation has ever voted for.
**** Brexit.
oakleymuppet
I think your other half / her company are either being over optimistic or putting their heads in the sand a bit. Its pretty clear the EU want complete control of all euro thingy trading ( you can tell I am a financial wizz can't you 🙂 ) they may not insist on it all being there by the 4th but you can bet its going to be quick. The problem for London as I understand is that support services and stuff will move with them, then its convenient for other traders to be in the same country and you end up with a critical mass that means everyone goes. Sort of the reverse of how London ended up so strong in financial thingummys now. That will take many years but its a process very hard to stop.
I think within a year all euro trading will be in the eurozone and that within 10 London is a shadow of what it is now.
TJ Euro clearing is only a small portion of what the city does, a lot of the work can be automated so it probably wont lead to a linear growth in jobs in Europe, it's high quantity but low profit margin stuff and much of the support network exists for what the rest of the banking sector does. It's not complicated work requiring armies of lawyers and compliance bods.
It's going to hurt London but it's not an apocalypse that will lead to London being a shadow of it's former self - investment in the London banking and fintech sector continues at pace. If the sector was scared, I'd have expected a massive run on foreign direct investing.
Instead.....
Don't get me wrong, me and the wife aren't hugely bothered about some of the jobs leaving London because it means more opportunities for her in cities where it easier for me to get well paid employment (I'm in pharma). We're not trying to be optimistic because from a pragmatic perspective it might work out for us.
of 2020;
“the year when we rediscovered a spirit of togetherness, of community”
Borris Jonson
Well, **** you and **** right off, you fat ****. You can stick your togetherness straight up your fat lying arse.
“the year when we rediscovered a spirit of togetherness, of community”
Boris Johnson
Isn't it meant to be tomorrow that one feels queasy?
Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson (Man of the People) can go **** himself.
9 minutes until my rights are ripped away from me
If you voted for brexit, I hate you with every fibre of my being.
Glad they made it 11pm (here). Meant I could do a quick live check of some new ordering vat calcs and tax/fee liability messaging before hitting a stronger beer ready for midnight.
The one silver lining for me tonight is I'm not with my mates tonight most of whom will be celebrating Brexit whilst I sethe with venom.
A collective "good riddance" from most of the EU.
Would love them to have dropped the flag at some point, in error obvs.😁