From this article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55478513
From the mouth of Johnson:
"But from the point of view of UK exporters, for instance, they'll now have the advantage, that they'll only have one set of forms they have to fill out for export to around the whole world."
So that is good then, instead of hassle free trade with Europe they have the advantage of just one set of forms to deal with.
He really is as thick as pig shit isn't he?
If a citizen of the UK pays national insurance in N.I do you think they will vote to strip themselves of the benefits that provides by voting to leave the EU?
Oh.
National insurance has nothing to do with the E.U
Some are and soon it’ll be the minority that don’t want a united Ireland. Brexit will be a factor, which is kinda funny given the Unionist politician’s fervour for it and the extent Britain stiffed them as soon as it became expedient to do so.
I am Irish and I’m in favour of a united Ireland.
Yes.
Thats fine I've no problem with that but I think the assumptions being made by nationalists regarding demographics and polling are naive to say the least (they are driven by SF who are a one trick pony). They ignore the moderates who very much like the standard of living the UK provides along with the obvious and very rightful grievance which will be felt by unionists.
National insurance has nothing to do with the E.U
it's basically another form of general taxation. i think you knew what the implication was.
They ignore the moderates who very much like the standard of living the UK provides
😀
I bet you call the 26 counties “Southern Ireland” don’t you?
it’s basically another form of general taxation. i think you knew what the implication was.
Which also has nothing to do with the EU
very rightful grievance
bit of a contentious turn of phrase, although we are at present talking hypotheticals, any change can only come as a result of a majority, as per GFA. To describe opposing that as a rightful grievance would be giving it a validity it wouldn’t deserve.
very rightful grievance which will be felt by unionists.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
Which also has nothing to do with the EU
sorry - i thought we gave them money? where did that come from then? there was something about a bus, and the NHS. sure i've seen that somewhere.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
They do
Being proud of your country is not a bad thing, but being proud of this country? right now? or it's somewhat dubious past? There is very little to be proud of.
To describe opposing that as a rightful grievance would be giving it a validity it wouldn’t deserve.
It would be very valid to them
I bet you call the 26 counties “Southern Ireland” don’t you?
No everyone calls it "the south"
There’s only one Ireland - the English divided it.
They do
Your missing of the subtlety surprises me not a jot.
No everyone calls it “the south”
There are parts of your “south” further north than a good chunk of NI. Your lack of geographical knowledge surprises me not a jot either.
Keep going though. 😀
There’s only one Ireland – the English divided it.
True, but thats were we are we have to deal with it in a reasonable way.
If they love the U.K. so much they should bloody well go and live there.
Screw that. You've had them long enough now. You deal with them 😊
You have an entire legal industry set up to support the city
You do indeed. And there is a reason why legal qualifications are one of few explicit and guaranteed professional equivalencies in the new agreement… so that other financial centres in Europe can make use of that support, whether it be teams working across the EU:UK border, or individuals following new opportunities away from London.
There are parts of your “south” further north than a good chunk of NI. Your lack of geographical knowledge surprises me not a jot either.
Keep going though. 😀
Likewise for your geographical patronising
Got to say I agree with an awful lot in this article:
View from the EU: Britain 'taken over by gamblers, liars, clowns and their cheerleaders'
We are a laughing stock and any country that we try to make any further deals with will think the same. We will be at every negotiating table with the worst hand you can imagine.
Likewise for your geographical patronising
I apologise profusely. Is there another way you’d like me to point out your deficiencies?
Everyone forgets that its all just business, money talks and we still have it.
You are correct, but who are “we” in that context dougie?
its all just business
I suppose it is for some. Not for many.
Those with money will indeed carry on with their lives, with either little or even a positive impact, thanks to having those riches. This process is about removing rights, opportunities and “control” from those without substantial funds, on both sides of the EU:UK border.
Get your EU passport if you can. Crack on…
https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1344592936177176577?s=21
It would be very valid to them
Up there with anti-Papism creationalism and say no to sodomy no doubt. Times are changing traditional unionism and Britain interfering in Ireland are dying, good riddance.
Meanwhile, not too far from that Guardian article....
Levelling up? **** off!
Prospering mightily? Well the Brexity ****er with £12bn to his name is....
Welcome to the future. Whisper it quietly all you working folk, but the buzzword for business owners and funders for 2021 is 'flexibility'.
That is as in 'flexible employment arrangements'. I.e. you little people will bloody well 'flex' up and down when the money men say.
The 'sell' is going to be something along the lines of 'furlough and working from home demonstrated the desirability to lots of people of flexible working arrangements'. But this time it won't be being paid 80% or whatever it was to sit on your jacksie all day.
The starting pistol for 11pm tonight is cocked and ready....
Can anyone point me to a list of legislation which the EU 'imposed' upon us? I saw an excellent piece of analysis about 12 months ago on social media somewhere, but now I can't find it. The conclusion was that all the legislation was good and we would have put it in anyway without being in the EU.
It's okay Danny, haven't you read Keith's new year message?
UKs best years ahead of us apparently,
Time to holdy hands now peepoles and move forward with vigour and endeavour 👪👍
I've heard it mentioned so many times that there are lots of things that we like to say the EU "imposed on Britain" but that Britain had every right to refuse if it chose to do so, but never bothered.
Is this actually true? And if so to what degree?
And why didn't we "just say no" to things that weren't in our best interest if the option was there?
I've heard it said that some of our EMP's were actually anti-EU and therefore it served their purpose for it to look like the EU was "pushing things on us" all the time..... Was it that, or did our guys just not pitch up at meetings?
I have no idea how much of this is based on fact and how much is nonsense (fake-news nowadays I guess), so if anyone has any actual facts, I'm keen to learn.
You are correct, but who are “we” in that context dougie?
A citizen of the UK (I assume) who has benifitted from living in it and will continue to do so should you wish.
Up there with anti-Papism creationalism and say no to sodomy no doubt. Times are changing traditional unionism and Britain interfering in Ireland are dying, good riddance.
I agree, unfortunately hardline nationalism isn't following it. A UK government governing in a part of the UK is not interfering however, an aside to this is that SF are quite happy to govern N.I on behalf of Britain, its a paradox.
I’ve heard it mentioned so many times that there are lots of things that we like to say the EU “imposed on Britain” but that Britain had every right to refuse if it chose to do so, but never bothered.
Is this actually true? And if so to what degree?
We had an envious amount of vetos and special arrangements that meant we could pretty much cherry-pick what EU rules we wanted to accept. Not switching to the Euro for example.
And why didn’t we “just say no” to things that weren’t in our best interest if the option was there?
They were regularly used as bargaining chips to get something better.
I’ve heard it said that some of our EMP’s were actually anti-EU and therefore it served their purpose for it to look like the EU was “pushing things on us” all the time….. Was it that, or did our guys just not pitch up at meetings?
Farage.
I have no idea how much of this is based on fact and how much is nonsense (fake-news nowadays I guess), so if anyone has any actual facts, I’m keen to learn.
We had an envious position as one of the founding members meaning we had a massive say in how almost every rule, law and scheme was set up and administered. Add that to the previously mentioned vetos we had and it meant that, together with Germany and France, we basically WERE the EU. We've gone from being a Big Fish at the Big Table to a little fish in the whole planet.
We had an envious amount of vetos and special arrangements that meant we could pretty much cherry-pick what EU rules we wanted to accept. Not switching to the Euro for example.
And why didn’t we “just say no” to things that weren’t in our best interest if the option was there?
Is this in the same way that the EU parliament will be able to say no to the deal?
spekkie
Free Member
I’ve heard it mentioned so many times that there are lots of things that we like to say the EU “imposed on Britain” but that Britain had every right to refuse if it chose to do so, but never bothered.
The EU actually published a huge list at some point in the last 18 months.
And let's not forget Farage's attendance to the influential fisheries committee. He could have voted on matters but preferred to not to (and then blamed EU for the policies)
I’ve heard it mentioned so many times that there are lots of things that we like to say the EU “imposed on Britain” but that Britain had every right to refuse if it chose to do so, but never bothered.
Is this actually true? And if so to what degree?
One of the big issues was immigration, specifically the idea that people could simply come over from another EU country and start claiming benefits, and that they would do that because the benefits are worth more here than in their own country.
However, under EU law you only have the right to stay in another EU country for three months until you have to prove that you can support yourself, i.e. not claim benefits. The UK didn't enforce this - we didn't kick out EU migrants after three months without work - because we don't monitor who is in the country and where they are. Because we don't have registration or ID cards. When I went to Germany I had to register with the town hall*, and I had to de-register when I left, which surprised me. But that meant they knew where I was and what I was doing.
* Sadly it was well signposted, which denied me the opportunity to use one of the very few phrases I remembered from year 9 German: "Wo ist das Rathaus?"
A citizen of the UK (I assume) who has benifitted from living in it and will continue to do so should you wish.
So “our” money will be used to ensure that “we” still effectively have the same quality of life and life chances? Despite the fact that “our” money can just bugger off outside the UK… as many leading Brexit industrialists have already done… Ineos and Dyson spring immediately to mind…
Only YOUR own money will shelter you from the effects of leaving the EU… there is no “we” in this… if you don’t have the money, or a route to EU citizenship… you will be screwed over in all this… there is no one acting in your interests I’m afraid.
You do indeed. And there is a reason why legal qualifications are one of few explicit and guaranteed professional equivalencies in the new agreement… so that other financial centres in Europe can make use of that support, whether it be teams working across the EU:UK border, or individuals following new opportunities away from London.
Yes, they will make use of the legal industry here. However, you don't do video conferences when a high net worth client threatens to sue you - the lawyers come in and set up shop. It's useful to have those guys right next door to you and know them on a more personal basis.
The City isn't going away anytime soon, rumors of it's death are wildly exaggerated. My wifes company has actually been closing offices in Europe and expanding it's London outfit.
Only YOUR own money will shelter you from the effects of leaving the EU… there is no “we” in this… if you don’t have the money, or a route to EU citizenship… you will be screwed over in all this… there is no one acting in your interests I’m afraid.
Kelvin, this country consists of a lot more people than those who reside in downing street, there are many people who have your interests at heart, who spend public money on your behalf, take your conspiracy hat off and look around at the real people who surround you, the 95% who have jobs and contribute, thats who the country is, not some shadowy elite. BTW Dyson hasn't left, he is a big landowner in England and still employs people in agricultural development to the benefit of UK agri.
the lawyers come in and set up shop
That they will do. Read again. Firms in London will work across borders. Including setting up offices in other financial capitals (I know of some were waiting for the professional equivalence to be signed into a deal before doing so. And, staff will be poached, and will move. Not everyone wants to stay in London forever. The attitudes of many have shifted in the last 4 years.
They have been setting up small skeleton offices where they need to, the investment management, wealth management and hedge fund firms are staying put.
Oh and
there are many people who have your interests at heart
The claim is that because “we” have money, it’ll all be fine. You need to realise that Brexit is about the sovereign individual, not the bettering of the lives of you and me. If you think otherwise, you’re in a for a shock.
sovereign individual
Yes, thats the bible isn't it? One book, written by one man, in 1996.
Is this in the same way that the EU parliament will be able to say no to the deal?
This actually brings up another issue that isn't being highlighted in the press. The EU parliament has only so far agreed to the Deal in principle so far, they have reserved the right to scrutinise it further in January before it is finally accepted. Worst case scenario is that they decide to reject it and we're pushed back to a No Deal but that is incredibly unlikely. What is going to happen is that the Deal that has been presented will be used as a starting block for further negotiation and we will be stuck in a continuous loop of toing and froing for years or even decades to come. Brexit is far from done.
Yeah but most of the people who work and are well off and doing ok don't need help. They don't need as much help as those who are struggling. So don't ignore them.
SF are quite happy to govern N.I on behalf of Britain, its a paradox.
Not really, they are engaging in the political process to further a united Ireland much like they do in the rest of Ireland, as per the gfa. We’ve seen the old ways of doing things, the guns are largely away. But you knew all that anyway, cheeky scamp.
