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That will at least make it a lot easier to identify the hard of thinking in business.
Well, that's just yet more facepalm to add to the huge mountain of facepalm that has gone before it.
You already could sell in imperial, you just had to have the metric equivalent labelled equally prominently.
Another announcement that doesn't change anything then.
Yeah, but now they won't have to display the metric units and Johnny Foreigner won't have a clue when he goes to the butchers. It'll be a right laugh.
Yeah, but now they won’t have to display the metric units and Johnny Foreigner anyone under 60 won’t have a clue when he goes to the butchers. It’ll be a right laugh.
FTFY
You couldn't make it up....
So wait, I can buy a pint of milk or get served a quarter-pounder again? Will I still have to travel miles to get them as everyone is out of stock of the raw ingredients.
Another announcement that doesn’t change anything then.
It's just a Dead Cat isnt it?
Yeah, but now they won’t have to display the metric units and Johnny Foreigner won’t have a clue when he goes to the butchers.
As will no one else who is under 40 years old.
What's the betting manufacturers who do switch to imperial weights and volumes use it as a way to sneak in price rises? That 125g item now becomes 1/4lb (113g) but the price stays the same. That 2 litre bottle of milk becomes 4 pints (1.892 litres). You get the picture.
All so we could talk in lbs and ounces and have a blue passport (that we could have anyway)? I hate what this country has become.
You already could sell in imperial, you just had to have the metric equivalent labelled equally prominently.
Another announcement that doesn’t change anything then.
And another over reaction from everyone completed missing that point. Rather than taking the high ground about returning to the 50s, we should be pointing out - again - that this was possible pre-Brexit and people were lied to by the current government about it.
As will no one else who is under 40 years old.
Metric came in in 1974, so nobody under 50 will have been taught at school using imperial measurements.
Nice of the Tory's to officially confirm the only age group that actually matters. I reckon they probably regard 50 year olds as cheeky young scamps
As will no one else who is under 40 years old.
Mate, I'm mid 50's and we were never taught it - you'd need to be +70 to really remember.
It’s just a Dead Cat isnt it?
Yes, I I've realised that I've been had again. It's just part of the on-going "Owning of the Libs"
Jeasus what a crappy place we've become
Another announcement that doesn’t change anything then.
was possible pre-Brexit and people were lied to by the current government about it
I’ve realised that I’ve been had again. It’s just part of the on-going “Owning of the Libs
Yup. Change our voting system (without any of this pesky referendum nonsense) to try and get more Conservative local politicians into positions of power (and take platforms off opposition politicians making difficult noises for the Brexit government)... tax breaks for the rich, tax increases for the poor... cut state education budgets... more people dying every day at this stage of the pandemic than some countries have lost from Covid19 all year... but look... the good ole days are here again (distracts their supporters just as much as those that oppose them). Cheers! Mine's a pint... haven't we all missed pints? Proper milk bottles and beer measurements.... so glad to have them back. I mean, how long is it since we've been able to buy 2.272 litres of milk at the supermarket? What, you bought one that size yesterday? You must be mistaken...
Mate, I’m mid 50’s and we were never taught it – you’d need to be +70 to really remember.
I am 53 and don't know whether I was taught it but I was using it for a long time during the 70's, 80's and even 90's. I can still happily use feet and inches, lbs and stone etc,. and it just feels a bit like being bilingual in that regard.
You must have been in a different country than me if you would buying sweets by the gram in 1978 as it was all lbs and ounzes when I was buying them.
We are not going back to pounds, shillings and pence here!
We are not going back to pounds, shillings and pence here!
They're saving that one for when they bring back workhouses.
the EU should force us to full metric compliance if we ever want to rejoin.... no more pints all road signs in km oh and make us drive on the right.
Does this "change" mean a seller is allowed to *only* list a product in imperial measurements?
That could be interesting.
the EU should force us to full metric compliance if we ever want to rejoin…. no more pints all road signs in km oh and make us drive on the right.
+1
and I would happily have the Euro too.
I think you would have to as a condition of joining, Seems to be the thing that new member states have to work towards.
Does this “change” mean a seller is allowed to *only* list a product in imperial measurements?
This “change” means a seller is allowed to list a product *only* in imperial measurements.
^^ I suspect other than for market sellers it'll simply deter many buyers.
That said, I don't see it being taken up by many of them either.
So yeah, a dead cat.
Glad to see the government is tackling the pressing issues of the nation though.
People who have supported Johnson keep asking to see Brexit benefits though… so they have to say something. If it’s simplistic, pointless, counter productive and just plain simply idiotic… well, that’s a bonus.
I am 58 and in my first few years at school i am sure we were taught old money.. started school in 1968.
Good to see the Metric Martyr's back on form after their difficult second album.
Return of the Limperium staring Daft Johnson.
This is going to throw a spanner in the works. My wife will write me a shopping list and I'll nip into Tesco and I'll not know if I'm buying 5 metric empire biscuits or 5 imperial empire biscuits.
Poopscoop
Full Member^^ I suspect other than for market sellers it’ll simply deter many buyers.
Even for market sellers. I'm sure a few will choose to go all imperial and that might appeal to some buyers but for most sellers it's just daft.
Can’t wait for the gammon uproar when they have to buy petrol by the gallon and realise how much it actually costs....
You can still buy/sell weed with imperial weights/measures, 1/8th oz, 1/4 oz, 1/2 oz etc right up to what is known as a bar (primarily hash) which is 9oz or 250ish grams, weed in bulk is usually sold by the kg or 1/2kg and is usually priced in grams on a sliding scale up to 1kg.
I hope the government has taken this into account, there’s nothing worse than being bumped over the weight.
Yep, there are two younger groups that are well equipped to deal with this change- stoners and wargames nerds
I'm looking forward to the reintroduction of burning witches.
If that goes well, the burning of traitor Remainers will probably be televised.
Careful Poops, johnson sees himself as a cyclist so could be a lurker on here.
If your comment turns into gov policy, I'm blaming you.
"see myself as a cyclist?!"
You can still buy/sell weed with imperial weights/measures, 1/8th oz, 1/4 oz, 1/2 oz
Since the advent of cheap accurate digital scales less so, its just easier to do it all in grams nowadays
I reckon the main reason for the slow demise of copper coins is no-one needs them for the scales any more
Poops, the stuff of nightmares - johnson in lycra; think of a condom stuffed full of walnuts...
Does this mean I am too young to have been taught imperial (56) and too old to have the mental agility, time or inclination to learn it?
What is the volume of a gallon of water in cubic feet? Asking for a friend.
I'm 52 - taught metric but used imperial at home.
It really confuses my kids!
I'm 60 and was taught both - imperial in primary and metric in secondary. I even did my times tables up to 12 times
I am pretty much bilingual inmeasurements and can covert one to the other easily - but I think in imperial for some things - peoples height and weight - and metric in others - small measurements etc.
Imperial has poetry but metric is so much easier to use - but imperial measurements are easy to estimate as they are mainly based on things you can see and the single units are a more useful size.
inch = thumb length. 12 thumbs make a foot ( obvious) 3 feet make a yard ( fingertip to nose) 22 yards make a chain, 10 chains make a furlong, etc etc
An acre is a furlong by a chain and is the amount of land one peasant with one ox can plough in a day
I do get a bit confused with a rod a pole and a perch - I think they are the same but are something odd like 10 1/2 feet
And of course a mile is 63360 inches which is a really nice number. all handy and easy to remember and calculate. None of your divisible by 10 nonsense!
I’m 56 and was taught metric from day 1 at school. I have a faint memory of spending thrupenny and six penny bits in shops as a small child and latterly finding that half-crowns were no longer legal tender. Work wise I worked in engineering and working with US companies made for some cock-ups with people mixing up units. One company making artificial limbs had a technical drawing archive going back pre-war and we occasionally had to make new parts for some 90 year old war veteran - because of paper rationing they were often drawn on tiny pieces of paper and near illegible imperial dimensions - fun times!
If any engineering types on here want a laugh - I have some imperial micrometers. 64ths anyone?
could be fun for confusing apprentices
inch = thumb length. 12 thumbs make a foot ( obvious) 3 feet make a yard ( fingertip to nose)
That's unimportant, you can do the same for metric. A cm is about the width of a little finger, a metre is opposite shoulder to fingertip. And the rest - meh. The reason imperial is like it is is because you can divide 12 into halves, quarters and thirds without splitting. But it's not consistent like that, see chains, furlongs, hundredweight etc. Bonkers. You have to remember each one. And then when you get down to 5/32" for fasteners it gets daft, along with 'thou'. A total mixed bag.
The rest of the world manages fine with metric, the 'more natural' argument is complete cobbblers.
Where does "gnats baw hair" fit into metric eh? Can't have a metric "baw hair" although you can have a metric shitload ( its 10% more than a shitload)
If any engineering types on here want a laugh – I have some imperial micrometers. 64ths anyone?
could be fun for confusing apprentices
Feeler guages for setting up guitars are all like that lol! Some of them are so thin they are like slices of tin foil, lol!
Imperial units - not gonna happen for the reasons described here...
https://twitter.com/pippamusgrave1/status/1438559713604608003?s=21
56 and I think in both, I think of imperial as an estimate and metric as a quote. I think they are both quite useful but if I only had to use one it would certainly be metric.
Its still a dead cat
I even did my times tables up to 12 times
MIND. BLOWN. We got taught up to the 12 times table slso, never occurred to me why.
Moved to Canada for a couple of years, doing AutoCAD in inches was really weird, as was sizing boilers and chillers in BTU!
inch = thumb length.
your thumbs are an inch long?
Moved to Canada for a couple of years, doing AutoCAD in inches was really weird
the weirdest thing about that is that canada is a metric country.
GCSE Maths, Q1, 2022
A Prime Minister is 5'9" and can be assumed to be of circular cross-section with average diameter 2'6".
Assuming he or she is composed of 90% water and 10% hot air, calculate his or her mass.
Calculate his weight:
(a) On the surface of the Earth
(b) On the surface of the moon assuming the Moon's gravity is 1/5th that of the Earth's.
Use the official Brexit Value of 3 for Pi.
the weirdest thing about that is that canada is a metric country
Yeah, I never got used to the metric speed limits either!
check it out - a medium sized bloke from the end of your thumb to the first joint when its bent is an inch. Originally it was one of the kings of englands thumb
Use the official Brexit Value of 3 for Pi.
Lolz
Pi should be 3. It really annoys me that its such a silly number. something is wrong!
Pi should be 3. It really annoys me that its such a silly number. something is wrong!
No, the universe has no respect for your silly integer based counting system.
I'm trying to devise a system where pi is a rational number. I'll let you know when I've worked it out.
would counting in base pi rather than base 10 work? You can probaly tell I have done no maths since O grades
I thought of that but in general integer counting systems each column counts up in integers to the value of the base -1, that's how it works. So the units column in base ten is zero to nine. If your base is t an integer, this can't really work. You'd have to use multiples of pi e.g. each column from zero to n.pi. but the you really just have base n, and you e just multiplied all integers by pi which doesn't help at all. The ratio of diameter to circumference would be pi squared. Which would be just pi. Which would be 1. Which would make the diameter the same as the circumference.
Like I said, I'll let you know when I've figured it out 🙂
check it out – a medium sized bloke from the end of your thumb to the first joint when its bent is an inch.
I though I was a medium sized man (5' 10", 11 stone) yet end of thumb to first joint is 1 1/4" so by that measure I have long thumbs?
What can I do with this gift?
What can I do with this gift?
Measure stuff wrong
What can I do with this gift?
swing from trees?
Measure stuff wrong
I seem to have a different gift for that which doesn't include using my thumbs
What can I do with this gift?
Hitch hike like Uma Thurman?
Poopscoop
I’m looking forward to the reintroduction of burning witches
Is this a reference to Priti Patel?
I've been sent AutoCAD drawings where the architect has worked in mm, but the units are set to inches. It took a while to work out why everyting was out by a factor of 25.4.
Does Jacob Rees-Mogg send instructions in inches to a tailor who works in metric?
swamp_boy
Full MemberI’ve been sent AutoCAD drawings where the architect has worked in mm, but the units are set to inches. It took a while to work out why everyting was out by a factor of 25.4.
I've had this sometimes with 3d models which for whatever reason were done in inches but now render for me in metric so they're 2.54 times smaller than they should be. It's pretty obvious when you see it, or it is to me but some people just can't figure it and end up guessing a correction amount or assuming it's 2.5
Did one of the mars missions not fail because it was a transatlantic project and the european side did not realise the US worked in imperial still?
Blooming 'eck - so the americans just confused themselves?
I have run a shop for around 6yrs, we used to sell sweets out of the jar, quite often the elderly customers would ask for a quarter pound of mint imperials etc.... I just switch the scales to imperial and gave them the amount they wanted - never realised it was 'illegal'. We all know the whole thing is pointless, a political pr stunt to distract.
We stopped selling sweets by weight a couple of years ago, it was uneconomical. All my fruit and veg is quite happily metric 😁
Nothing to do with us Europeans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter/blockquote >
From the link:
The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were dismissed because they "did not follow the rules about filling out [the] form to document their concerns". A meeting of trajectory software engineers, trajectory software operators (navigators), propulsion engineers, and managers was convened to consider the possibility of executing Trajectory Correction Maneuver-5, which was in the schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall an agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was ultimately not done.[
Is there an engineer anywhere who doesn't find themselves in this exact scenario at least once a month?
Blooming ‘eck – so the americans just confused themselves?
Scientists all over the world use metric, but engineers in the US use imperial. I'd read somewhere that the problem was caused by an mistake such as an inaccurate conversion not a lack of understanding as such.
I can still get Cadburys chocolate in my nearest Carrefour 🙂
Similar issue occurred when A90 was built at Aldermaston. The glove boxes and extraction systems from them didn't fit together properly as both systems were in use.
From the Mars link.
The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were dismissed because they "did not follow the rules about filling out [the] form to document their concerns".
Yep, I've worked with folk like these...
The BBC are doing a great job talking about gas prices without any mention of Brexit.
imperial units makes the old people happy, and the stupid people patriotic.
that's all that matters.
kelvin
Full Member
The BBC are doing a great job talking about gas prices without any mention of Brexit.
I am all for a bit of Brexit bashing, but isn't this a global issue and not influenced by Brexit?
I am all for a bit of Brexit bashing, but isn’t this a global issue and not influenced by Brexit?
Not so much…
And the reasons…
Explanation here
